Patterson attorney claims 'misrepresentation' of facts
An attorney for terminated Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary President Paige Patterson issued a media release late Monday afternoon (June 4) defending Patterson against alleged "wide-spread misrepresentation and misinformation."
Among Fort Worth, Texas, attorney Shelby Sharpe's claims:
-- "No reasonable reading of" correspondence from Patterson's personal archives suggested former Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary student Megan Lively "reported a rape to Dr. Patterson" in 2003 when he was Southeastern's president "and certainly not that he ignored" such a report, "as is alleged."
-- "Dr. Patterson first learned of the charges that he allegedly did not report a rape at SEBTS during the May 22 board meeting" of Southwestern's trustees. "Dr. Patterson's response was that he had no recollection of a rape being reported to him."
Buckeyes wrote: (TMC) There are so many problems here: 1. Seminary is an extra-biblical man-made institution. Every time the church adds in extras, things get squirrely.
And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. (II Timothy 2:2)
Would you say that teaching faithful men to teach should be a ministry that is supported by the local church? Thus seminaries as a ministry of the local church(es) would seem quite Biblical. Are there not several things that were not available during Biblical times that we profitably use today as part of the ministry?
Look forward to your thoughts. Trust all is well with you and your trilogy of people.
ps SA might have to rethink their recaptcha, Christopher may indeed be a robot.
Actually Christopher I do know a young man (not so anymore) who went to Bible college and was going to follow in his dad's steps to be a pastor that according to his dad was ruined by seminary.
Our pastor was finishing up at BH Carroll seminary. But the brewing storm that is roaring down the pathway is ordination of women in the pulpit. I mean it‚Äôs probably will be set forth as holy writ in SBC by next summer. They‚Äôll shake loose every life long bachelorette seminary professor and start sending them out as interim pastors. Then dead churches will hire them, then FBC in Arlington will put one on staff, then someone will poison the old white haired pastors in the south and they‚Äôll put them there, and on it goes. Coming to your church, without one plea, women pastors. ‚ÄúWhy lookey here Ma, it say ‚Äú brothers and sisters ‚Äú in my new CSB bible, it must be true and just. Here‚Äôs my pants Ma, I done wearing them, you can from now on. An Ma , I hear, the new ‚Äú worship leader ‚Äú at the church house , why that fine boy, he has a boyfriend. Haven‚Äôt seen so many changes since Obama was our fearless leader. ‚Äú Yes sir, being a baptist is a blessing.
Chris, I took correspondence courses (books, tapes and proctored exams) from an Independent Baptist Bible college and seminary in the Southeast. Like most such schools, it is unaccredited and therefore not worried about political correctness. There are no liberal professors and no one teaches anything contrary to the inspiration and preservation of the Bible. It was not a perfect school, but I wasn't a perfect student either.
Not all seminaries are bad, -however, this is an example of one to avoid spawned by this church, [URL=https://tinyurl.com/c5t4nec]]]https://tinyurl.com/c5t4nec (Let Us Prey: Big Trouble at First Baptist Church)[/URL] gasp!
To seeing a description of this Seminary by a former teacher read,
Josh wrote: ...I would not want to communicate to the B & C audience that I never heard an encouraging word from the chapel pulpit there, but systematic sermons that stay true to the text were essentially nonexistent, hence I still would like to probe this IFBx concept of "red-hot preaching". What does "red-hot preaching" mean to you? What does it mean to the average Christian young person? I think I know exactly what HAC means by it, and I shudder at the very thought of it.
Since officially leaving Hammond two years ago, I am pleased to state that I have not heard any sermon that would fall into the category of "red-hot preaching". I have heard many sound Biblically expository sermons since then....
--[URL=https://fbchbreadandcircuses.blogspot.com/2006/05/red-hot-preaching.html]]]https://tinyurl.com/zlf7ega (Red Hot Preaching)[/URL]
Look into good schools such as Master Seminary or the Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary
I've always pictured seminaries as indoctrination factories. I picture bright-eyed, the sky is the limit, Christian servitude, here we come, kids, lined up , single file, and walking excitedly through the front door. Then, the same line of kids exiting through the back door, but the sparkle is gone, and they look like drones, having been re-programmed, and their very faith and spiritual confidence having taken a hit as certain professors lit a spark of doubt in their minds, whether it be the inerrancy of scripture, their confidence of salvation, creationism being called into question, or whatever, etc., etc. I've never been to any seminary, so I could be completely wrong, and at the very least, I suppose the experiences are subjective. I have listened to people who have been to seminaries though, and they left with all sorts of doubts, like the inerrancy of scripture, election/free-will struggles, and other issues of concern. Dr Tim, have you been to seminary, a brick and mortar institution as opposed to online learning?
There are so many problems here: 1. Seminary is an extra-biblical man-made institution. Every time the church adds in extras, things get squirrely.
2. One would think that those who are teaching and training elders should at least meet the Biblical qualifications their students will be expected to. Elders are to be ‚Äúblameless‚ÄĚ hold to ‚Äúsound doctrine‚ÄĚ and ‚ÄúMoreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.‚ÄĚ
3. Applying this standard, Patterson should have been removed a long time ago simply because of his public statements. Teaching that Christians are ‚Äúnever‚ÄĚ to go to civil authorities, and upholding the sinful behavior of young men (even going so far as to call such behavior ‚ÄúBiblical‚ÄĚ) is a shocking mis-use of Scripture. (See Romans 13:1-7; Matthew 5:27-28)
4. Because those statements were ignored back then, this is now being aired as a horrible witness of Christianity before the unbelivers and is bunny-trailing into a he-said-she-said debate.
"Sharayah Colter, once a student at SWBTS and ‚Äúmost recently as wife to‚ÄĚ Paige Patterson‚Äôs ‚Äúchief of staff, Scott Colter‚ÄĚ has written an amazing and eye-opening article for SBC Issues (see linked article below)."
purges have only begun because evangelicals still do not understand their tactics and are easily manipulated.
Jim, it's not often that I agree with you but this is one of those times. Truth lies dead in the streets, and justice stands afar off as a result. Our rule of law has become a rule of tyrrany driven by the masses and whomever can sway them. Emotion replaced fact. Fact is, there are always two sides to every story, and Dr. Patterson's side simply doesn't matter because he's the old white guy with the questionable theology seeing as he leans Reformed. He's got to go.
Men are a eye roll away from being fired, bankrupt and drawn and quartered. I‚Äôve made comments that probably aren‚Äôt that ‚Äúsensitive ‚Äú, trust me, as a lone male in an office full of women and homosexuals, me showing up wearing wedding ring , and a photo of my female wife and kids and grandchildren, or my dog.. why, you could smell the contempt. Why, he‚Äôs married, a procreator, meat eating and has a NRA decals on his ‚Äė Merican made SUV, Kill Him!!! Yes, take a breath folks, Patterson had to leave town to be fired. That‚Äôs the definition of a group of cowards who want to be sued, for liable and egregious , contract termination .
I found this interesting story which I can agree with part anyway. Women shouldn't be in Southern Baptist seminaries
News Division wrote: The Baptist ‚ÄúPress‚ÄĚ reports a ‚Äúremarkable‚ÄĚ increase in the number of females enrolled in Southern Baptist seminaries. The BP quotes Southwestern Seminary Baptist President, Paige Patterson, with what has to be the most asininely absurd comment to be heard from leader since he defended enrolling Muslims in his seminary.
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary President Paige Patterson, in reporting to the EC Sept. 18, said female SBC seminary graduates are helping to fulfill a need in churches for ‚Äústrong female Bible teachers.‚ÄĚ He attributed the increased number of female students in part to the publication of high-quality theological resources for women by LifeWay Christian Resources.
--[URL=https://tinyurl.com/y87bvrkb]]]https://tinyurl.com/y87bvrkb (SBC Brags About Increase in Female Seminary Enrollment, Touts Lifeway‚Äôs Influence)[/URL] ūüĎé
Hosea 8:7 For they sow the wind, and they will reap the whirlwind. He has no standing grain. The stalk will yield no head. If it does yield, strangers will swallow it up.
Accusing men of sexual indiscretion, or ignoring sexual attacks, is beginning to remind me of the Salem witch trials where a bunch of teenage girls even got people executed. I think there needs to be some strong facts and paper trails before these accusations are considered.
While Paige Patterson made some statements which were certainly not politically correct at the very least--faults that he accepted--these latest charges, fall under "she said, he said" situations and have to be ignored until there is solid proof on who did or didn't do what