Watcher wrote: Good job, Lurker. That should show her! Humility. Love. Prayer...does any of this ring a bell to you? I guess not.
Well, top of the day to you too, Watcher.
Btw, if my reply to Ladybug and you this morning are of the sort that grates on you, perhaps you should consider they are my way of politely refusing to get drawn into an emotionally charged argument over nothing which would only serve to feed the old man. Think about it.
I suppose 'Lurker' sees himself as SA moderator. Isn't is strange how he thinks he has a right to demand I 'see to it' on a matter he thought needed to be repented of, yet was DEAD SILENT when 'penned' falsely accused me. Now, IF he truly cared for 'penned', shouldn't he demand she 'see to it' concerning her sin of false accusations? I guess it doesn't matter in his brand of 'religion' if you sin, it matters if you are in his little circle of friends - a circle I praise God I am NOT a part of
ladybug wrote: It should not be likened to sharks circling when a believer corrects error. What's even worse is the compromising mentality that permeates this forum. Some are called to 'see to it' concerning repentance, others get a free pass. The double standard here is inexcusable. Again, if you are not in the 'SA click', it will become obvious real quick. I'd rather stand apart from compromisers and those who see correcting error as sharks circling that join the apathy club. The sad state of Christianity is the apathy some have towards error and heresy. So much for contending for the faith
Feel better now?
And since you're a strong believer in correction, here's a correction for you. It's clique, not click.
Dr. Tim wrote: As I stated before, when I introduce scripture into the conversation, those of the contrary part say that it doesn't mean what it says, so I see no point in getting on the same merry-go-round. Fortunately my near nightly bout with insomnia seems to be passing, so I will turn in again for now. Good night--or rather morning-- dear sister in Christ.
Doc, I answered you with Scripture and asked you questions, not setup questions, but legitimate ones. Scripture doesn't contradict itself and sometimes we have to get the whole picture rather than isolating it. If you had taken the time to read the link that Need Him put, you would have seen that the word "world" does indeed mean different things in different places in the Bible. Not trying to goad you back into a discussion here, just saying you are jumping to conclusions about people that are necessarily accurate. Not everyone that believes in particular redemption here is a Calvinist.
Please be careful with over generalizations about those who don't see your view of the Bible, they are still brethren and they still love their God and their Bible.
As I stated before, when I introduce scripture into the conversation, those of the contrary part say that it doesn't mean what it says, so I see no point in getting on the same merry-go-round. Fortunately my near nightly bout with insomnia seems to be passing, so I will turn in again for now. Good night--or rather morning-- dear sister in Christ.
Tim I never said I was correct all the time. You have been shown, from God's word, the error of your free will theology. You've yet to answer questions presented, and that's fine.
I never give my 'take' on scripture. I state it verbatim, for example, Christ said, "the good Shepherd giveth His life for the sheep" - John 10:11. How is giving a text as it is written my 'take'? Read the text for yourself and ask this, who does Christ state He gave his life for? The world or His sheep?
A little leaven leavens the whole lump
I recall holding to free will heresy as a baby Christian. I praise God daily He has brought me out of that and shown me the true meaning of grace. I still have MUCH to learn and an eternity to learn it.
Ladybug, if you are one hundred percent certain that you are one hundred percent correct one hundred percent of the time, by all means correct away. Otherwise be careful lest some of the "errors" you so faithfully expose turn out to be the truth while your own take on certain scriptures is the actual error. Just saying.
Dr. Tim wrote: Watcher, I believe what I believe with all my heart--and yet I recognize that some of what I believe may be wrong. It doesn't bother me that folks with opposing beliefs believe those with all their heart also. It just bugs me that they so often take the position that they can't possibly be incorrect in even one minor aspect of their belief system. You're so right about one thing: a little humility wouldn't hurt any of us. Only problem is, being fallen creatures, if we actually had any humility we'd probably be proud of it ðŸ˜³
Watcher, I believe what I believe with all my heart--and yet I recognize that some of what I believe may be wrong. It doesn't bother me that folks with opposing beliefs believe those with all their heart also. It just bugs me that they so often take the position that they can't possibly be incorrect in even one minor aspect of their belief system. You're so right about one thing: a little humility wouldn't hurt any of us. Only problem is, being fallen creatures, if we actually had any humility we'd probably be proud of it ðŸ˜³
Dr. Tim wrote: Good quote from Newton, Watcher--and convicting.
To both of us Tim. I have never and will never deny the fact that I am hard-headed, proud and opinionated. I am. And it's a constant source of fuel for me in life. I just care is all. I care for you as much as I care for (ahem) L,L,Lurker...there said it. I get animated when I speak the truth, and sometimes it gets me in trouble.
I'll most likely end up in jail or missing a head one day, I can see it coming. Still love you brother, no matter what.
Dr. Tim wrote: Yes, and I have apologized more than once in this forum also, Watcher. As for damaging my testimony, you are right, and I have no excuse. I think the only way to avoid that in the future is to simply disengage. Agreed?
It seems to be the only way these days.
"I am persuaded that love and humility are the highest attainments in the school of Christ and the brightest evidences that He is indeed our Master." -John Newton
"Do you think the devil is impressed by anyone's Bible knowledge or degree-certificates? Not at all. Satan fears only holy, humble men and women who know God." -Zac Poonen
US, there are actually a few reasons why I haven't answered questions in other threads. One is the sheer volume of questions. I am on a smartphone and can only enter one letter or word at a time, rather than 70 wpm on a keyboard. My vision is not the greatest, and proofreading is a nightmare. Another reason is the tone of the questions. I am not going to name names because I don't want to get into another silly little playground shoving contest, but a couple of posters pose questions like gestapo interrogators, which makes me want to reply with only my name, rank and serial number--or, even worse, with a smart alecky sarcastic response that benefits no one. But the main reason I don't answer is because the ones asking me questions aren't really interested in what I say, but only in refuting what I say. Why should I hand them the very bullets they intend to fire at me? Make sense? BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if one or more people jump on every word of this reply, like circling sharks on a bleeding fish. Happens every time.
Doc, you are obviously a much learned individual. Your studies and accomplishments are admirable. It makes me wonder why you would not answer questions posed to you in other threads. You seem to get frustrated, want to pick up your marbles and go home. haring your thoughts can be very beneficial. Obviously not everyone sees things the way you do. That is part of admonishing one another that God expects from each of us. I know you don't think you have everything figured out and can't learn anything even from those of us who are less scholarly than yourself.
Doc, you're a great poster, have a great sense of humor, but maybe a tad short on patience. You obviously have a great deal of knowledge, I would hope you would take the time to disseminate here in a way that is beneficial to others. If you run across an impasse, then agree to disagree and move on. All of us need to learn, all of us see only in part, but we have a love for the same Savior and for His people. This is what Christopher has been expressing.
Speaking only for myself I know I had to step back and find ways to be more gracious, kind, and understanding in how I worded things. I am still a work in progress but I appreciate people being patient enough to still hear me out. God bless