Southern Baptist Leader Responds to Charge That He Wants Abused Wives to Stay With Husbands
A former president of the Southern Baptist Convention and current head of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary is pushing back against claims that he encourages abused wives to stay with their husbands.
SWBTS President Paige Patterson has garnered recent controversy when a blog posted an interview he gave back in 2000 in which he appeared to support women staying with abusive husbands rather than separating from them.
In a statement released on the seminary's website on Sunday, Patterson responded, "I have never counseled or condoned abuse of any kind."...
Unprofitable Servant wrote: I find two things troubling in one of your statements. 1. That you would wait until the end of the day to â€śconfessâ€ť your sins to God. One would think a truly born again believer who us walking with God would not endure both the break in fellowship or the sorrow for having offend One who was so precious for such a long period of time 2. That your â€śconfessionâ€ť would be so general, not naming specifics. It is almost like it isnâ€™t a big deal Is this a new Baptist teaching? It sounds more like something Catholics would do
I do confess specific sins during the day to Jesus for forgiveness.
Yesterday at my Baptist Church during Adult Bible Fellowship before worship Pastor stated that the Holy Spirit prompts the unsaved to receive salvation through accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior and trusting in Him alone for salvation.
I find two things troubling in one of your statements.
1. That you would wait until the end of the day to â€śconfessâ€ť your sins to God. One would think a truly born again believer who us walking with God would not endure both the break in fellowship or the sorrow for having offend One who was so precious for such a long period of time
2. That your â€śconfessionâ€ť would be so general, not naming specifics. It is almost like it isnâ€™t a big deal
Is this a new Baptist teaching? It sounds more like something Catholics would do
John; Itâ€™s interesting how much you use the Word I, in your postings. As itâ€™s reflective of a painter panting a picture for one, on here. In what you say on here, I, I, & I. As itâ€™s a good indicator from Scriptures, especially when one truly has become a spiritual child of the Most High, who is learning & growing through life. By the spiritual feeding of His Word daily. I has nothing to do with, I needs to be crucified, as your usage of I, is very foretelling of a Robotic Parrot.
John Y, I have nothing personal against either. Your speech & fruit donâ€™t reflect a bent & crucified I, & it all being about, no King but Christ Alone. Who clearly says, apart from Him I can do nothing & I am to decrease, as He would increase in my life, nâ€™t in your language. As your language is reflective of your heart!
Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; itâ€™s no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; & the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me & gave Himself for me.
NeedHim wrote: Thanks for the clarification John Y, but you are still spiritually deceived, as you honor with your lips, but your heart & mind, havenâ€™t been transformed from up above alone. Through daily dying to self, in seeking out daily renewal. That is reflective in ones speech, conduct, & how the Word of God is being molded into ones daily life. Your comments on here are reflective of one who is religious but devoid of spiritual rebirth amen.
I am not spiritually deceived. I am Born Again according to Baptist teaching, which is biblical teaching. If I was not really Born Again I would never have started to attend my Baptist Church. I previously stated that I would never attend any Baptist Church. I started to attend that Baptist Church in September 2016 because I came under the guidance of God to start attending a Baptist Church. I am growing spiritually at my Baptist Church because I fellowship with other members and I am friends with about a third of the members. Every night at bed I ask Jesus for forgiveness of any sins I may have committed during the day.
Thanks for the clarification John Y, but you are still spiritually deceived, as you honor with your lips, but your heart & mind, havenâ€™t been transformed from up above alone. Through daily dying to self, in seeking out daily renewal. That is reflective in ones speech, conduct, & how the Word of God is being molded into ones daily life.
Your comments on here are reflective of one who is religious but devoid of spiritual rebirth amen.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: So let me get this right,JY, Pastor Steve and theEkders at your so called Baptist Church have no issues with members attending BonJovi concerts or wearing Bon Jovi T-shirtâ€™s to church?
I don't know if Pastor and the Elders of my Baptist Church have issues with members attending Bon Jovi concerts or wearing Bon Jovi T-shirt's to church.
Tim, Her husband was also in attendance at that Bon Jovi concert. So he did not beat her for being in attendance. Marijuana was not passed back and forth at my Baptist Church. That is totally ridiculous.
NeedHim, This past Sunday at my Baptist Church during worship the lights were not dimmed and the band did not play any Bon Jovi songs. The songs were Gospel songs pertaining to Jesus.
I would suggest you read the SA article after the Atlantic one. Unfortunately Paige Patterson, apparently didn't give a fuller explanation until after the antidote had been in public for awhile?
Jonathan Merritt wrote: Paige Patterson is the 75-year-old president of Fort Worthâ€™s Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, which claims to be one of the largest schools of its kind in the world. He is lionized among Baptists for his role in the â€śconservative resurgence,â€ť which is what some call the movement to oust theological liberals beginning in the 1970s. But this week, his past legacy and present credibility were called into question when a 2000 audio recording surfaced in which Patterson said he has counseled physically abused women to avoid divorce and to focus instead on praying for their violent husbands, and to â€śbe submissive in every way that you can.â€ť
Domestic-violence advocates quickly and unsurprisingly condemned the remarks, but, and as The Washington Post reported, it sent â€śleaders scrambling to respond.â€ť
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I hope the further explanations from Paige will put this matter to rest.
You mean that whacky tobbacky stuff? Now, just what is wrong with whacky tobbacky? You really are in dire need of psychological help if you think it's wrong to smoke whacky tobbacky. Whacky tobbacky is a natural growing plant, so logic dictates that it is fine to smoke whacky tobbacky. Whacky tobbacky is interesting from a bottany perspective, as I am an avid student of bottany, and thus, an avid student of whacky tobbacky. You really have to be insane to believe that there is anything wrong with whacky tobbacky. I have a whole bottany series on cassette tape and listened to them all so I am a botanist. : )
There is a lady at my Baptist Church who is a teacher in the Discovery Land Sunday School and she stated on her Facebook page that she, her husband and their children attended the Bon Jovi concert that was held in St. Paul, Minnesota last week. She obviously likes secular rock and roll music and she is Born Again. This past Sunday during the lunch and program designed for the church members to learn about Discovery Land Sunday School program that lady mentioned above wore a Bon Jovi shirt.
(TMC) I have a friend who is currently dealing with an abusive husband, and she, her baby girl, and her family could really use some prayer. Things had been going on for a while, but they came to a head a month ago when he threatened to kill her. After the police came he told them that he wanted to kill her so they arrested him. He is now out on bail, and she got a PPO, but she and her family say that he has violated it on several occassions. Thankfully her family is very tight knit, and they are doing what they can to encourage her and keep her safe, but the whole situation is scary and stressfull for all of them. They are Christians and her husband claims to be one as well, but heâ€™s deep into the Pearls and has taken some of their warped ideas to an extreme. Their main prayer needs are for safety, rest, wisdom, and for repentance and restoration on the husbandâ€™s part.
penned wrote: Title: Conservative Evangelicals Walk Out During Wheatonâ€™s Marxist Brain Trust Meeting http://pulpitandpen.org/2018/04/19/conservative-evangelicals-walk-wheatons-marxist-brain-trust-meeting/ marxists to rule the evangelical churches. take a quick look at russell moore and beth moore... there won't be "traditional" "biblical" "counseling", hey, isn't gay mariage the law of the land and 501c3 corporations bound to it? baptists need a change agent to get them up to speed. certainly aren't working together as one body to counter.... ....and so, it will be.
My Baptist Pastor has stated that my Baptist Church is working on making sure that homosexuals do not come in and demand that their abomination marriage be solemnized at my Baptist Church.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: What Scripture, QC and Chase are you going to cite that says you should stay in an abusive relationship where you are being beaten and your life is in danger? You have a clear violation of Ephesians 5:25-29. These women should leave these abusive circumstances.
....and with feminist law now, it is often the husbands now that are assaulted. you are correct. assault is a felony, isn't it?
What Scripture, QC and Chase are you going to cite that says you should stay in an abusive relationship where you are being beaten and your life is in danger? You have a clear violation of Ephesians 5:25-29. These women should leave these abusive circumstances.
Good point, Chase. There is nothing explicit from the Bible that justifies divorce for abuse, unlike the other two "As" of adultery and abandonment. Pastors have made good Biblical cases, though. One that comes to mind is Matthew 18. If the warned abusive spouse does not repent for having not loved his/her neighbor as him/herself, he or she is to be treated as an unbeliever. We are not to be married to unbelievers. There are probably better justifications than this. But one cannot stand by and let this kind of thing continue to happen.