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SATURDAY, APR 14, 2018  |  17 comments
California Bill Threatens Religious Freedom of Those Who Oppose Homosexuality
A bill quickly moving through the California state legislature may threaten the religious freedom of those who object to homosexuality.

Jim Daly, the president of Christian ministry Focus on the Family, wrote a blog post alerting Christians to the implications of this bill, which is known as Assembly Bill 2943.

The bill amends California’s “Consumer Legal Remedies Act” to include “sexual orientation change efforts.”


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News Item4/19/18 12:21 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
The futuristic view of dispensationalism is fatally flawed simply because it can't reconcile all the biblical prophecies with what has been happening in the middle eastern nation/state of Israel since 1948. It's inhabited by professing ethnic Jews, not biblical Jews according to Paul's definition, who continue to reject Christ. Nothing there matches up with prophecy and never will.
That's a fact, and always will be.
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News Item4/19/18 11:50 AM
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penned wrote:
the only means by which they can reconcile is by faith in the One who died for their sins... that is Jesus Christ.

"can one spend eternity in hell and at the same time be covenanted with Him?"

I see now you acknowledge a person must have faith!! Very good, a sinner must repent and receive Christ for salvation by grace through faith via the regenerating power of God. thanks for the clarification.

I have answered your question before. If you think the children of Israel who were in a covenant relationship with God were all spared from eternal damnation, that is your problem not mine, good day.

Exodus 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

1Chronicles 16:15-18 Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations; Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance

Psalm 105:10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

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News Item4/18/18 10:02 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
This is what happens wrote:
We believe th know John Hager is a false prophet and is not representative of mainstream dispensationalism. Stop with the straw man and please respond to the question about whether or not you need faith
I'll have to repeat myself.

again I am asking what a man has to do to be saved and if he does not do this will he spend eternity in h@ll?

if you cannot answer this basic question about the gospel then I have to assume that you are an unbeliever.

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News Item4/18/18 10:00 PM
This is what happens  Find all comments by This is what happens
We believe th know John Hager is a false prophet and is not representative of mainstream dispensationalism. Stop with the straw man and please respond to the question about whether or not you need faith
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News Item4/18/18 9:50 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
this is what happens, this is a plain question that I asked, "can one spend eternity in h@ll and at the same time be covenanted with Him?"

be careful how you answer it, for we are talking about what a man must do to be saved.

the most important question of life.

John Hagee has dual covenant. Perhaps you think a man can be saved from his sins because of his ethnicity?

However, to do so, is to dismantle Christianity entirely, because the premise of CHristianity is that all men have sinned and that all men are far from GOd and that the only means by which they can reconcile is by faith in the One who died for their sins... that is Jesus CHrist.

and if you veer from this truth, I could hardly believe that you are saved yourself, and it may be that you yourself are in need of hearing what the gospel is.

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News Item4/18/18 2:31 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
this is what happens wrote:
no argument there. Are saying what he recorded in verse 30 nullifies how he started the section in verses 1-4?
Then why also make the distinction in verse 31, 10:21? Note again the distinction between the nation of Israel at the end of chapter 11. That is penned's problem, she is stating that covenants keep you out of hell not faith.
Of course nothing is nullified by anything in the bible. We must search for that which ties everything together in perfect harmony. Paul's description of Israel here can be tied to the parable of the tares and wheat. They were still growing together in the field.... the harvest was yet to come. He grieved for his brethren according to the flesh as he knew they were not his brethren according to the Spirit and would be cast into outer darkness.

As for covenants, you are right in that it is God's work in the new birth which sets our path to paradise but at the same time the born again are also party to God's covenant of peace. If we are not party to God's covenant of peace then we are none of His. I think Penny would agree so perhaps you should ask her to clarify her comment rather than assume what she meant.

Thanks for the civil discourse.

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News Item4/18/18 1:23 PM
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Lurker wrote:
Read on in Romans 9:30ff where the Israel of God is identified as those of Israel who sought after righteousness by faith as opposed to their works. Genetics doesn't enter the picture.
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no argument there. Are saying what he recorded in verse 30 nullifies how he started the section in verses 1-4?
Then why also make the distinction in verse 31, 10:21? Note again the distinction between the nation of Israel at the end of chapter 11. That is penned's problem, she is stating that covenants keep you out of hell not faith. Paul is clearly making a distinction throughout Romans 9-11 between the nation of Israel and those who are now part of God's family regardless of their nationality. He is not teaching replacement theology. Whether the forming of the nation of Israel in 1948 has anything to do with God's plan for the nation of Israel in the end times is yet to be seen and should not be stated as a fulfillment of anything.
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News Item4/18/18 12:54 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
this is what happens wrote:
**my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; **
to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
The nation of Israel is the only group of people that fulfills verse 4
Read on in Romans 9:30ff where the Israel of God is identified as those of Israel who sought after righteousness by faith as opposed to their works. Genetics doesn't enter the picture.

Further, Ezekiel 37 says the two kingdoms of Israel, the house of Israel and the house of Judah (Jews) which parted ways after Solomon's death, would be joined into one nation following a resurrection and brought back their own land. God will make an everlasting covenant of peace with them and David, a figure of Jesus Christ, would be their eternal king.

The futuristic view of dispensationalism is fatally flawed simply because it can't reconcile all the biblical prophecies with what has been happening in the middle eastern nation/state of Israel since 1948. It's inhabited by professing ethnic Jews, not biblical Jews according to Paul's definition, who continue to reject Christ. Nothing there matches up with prophecy and never will.

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News Item4/18/18 11:51 AM
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penned wrote:
can one spend eternity in h@ll and at the same time be covenanted with Him?
Here is your chance to show from the Old or New Testament that God was not covenanted with the nation of Israel Better cut out Ephesians 2:12 along with scores of other references. Now, looking at your statement above, did none of the children of Israel go to hell because they were in a covenant relationship with God? everyone of them is currently in heaven???
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News Item4/18/18 10:38 AM
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penned wrote:
depends on how you define Israel. but if you say "physical descendants" then you have made God a liar....
when you choose your theological interpretation over the plain wording of Scripture. Paul clearly, indisputably said he was talking about the physical descendants that made up the nation of Israel.

Rom 9:1-4 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren,

**my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; **

to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

The nation of Israel is the only group of people that fulfills verse 4

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News Item4/15/18 9:36 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
Mike wrote:
In response to penned:
Does not Paul insist in Romans 9-11 that Israel is still chosen of God
depends on how you define Israel. but if you say "physical descendents" then you have made God a liar....

NT says true jew is cirucmcised of heart.

NT says the seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ and those who believe in Him.

everyday there are Jews and Gentiles that have rejected salvation who come to the end of their lives, who are judged for their sins and will spend eternity in h@ll.

now is that true or is God a liar?

can one spend eternity in h@ll and at the same time be covenanted with Him?

how does one become covenanted with the Father?

there is only one way to the Father and that is through the Son...

it is the ADL dismantling Christianity not the other way around.

any allegience to Christians?

is God a liar?

I am speaking of those who are unbelieving here.... men like Soros who stole from their own!!

how can you say they are in a state of "chosenness", when they meet their makers they stand guilty of their sins?

dispensationalism is incompatible with the gospel itself.

is God a liar or Scofield? (1917 edition published same year and city as rothchild's declaration)

what is a counterfeit?

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News Item4/15/18 11:41 AM
Mike | NC  Find all comments by Mike
In response to penned:

Does not Paul insist in Romans 9-11 that Israel is still chosen of God in some sense, and that all Israel will be saved, unless you have an overriding systematic theology that threatens to gut the text of its original meaning?

I'm dispensational and I in no way promote a racially charged Gospel, only that I still see a distinction between Israel in the church from the OT to the NT. Don't you think that perhaps you are assuming a bit too much in order to broad-brush stroke a whole segment of evangelicalism?

Who is "they" in your post? It reads to me that you are close to charging all "chosen" Jewish people with having subversive, ulterior motives, as if the Jewish community were a monolithic entity. Once again, don't you think you may be broad-brushing the entire Jewish community for the sake of your seemingly racially charged argument?

Is it really evil to desire a nation for the Jewish people? And just because one does, does that mean they are in purposeful collusion with some grand Zionist design? It seems to me that there are a lot of unproven assumptions made in your post, and I have to say, seems somewhat anti-Semitic in some regard. Please correct me if I am wrong, and I mean that genuinely, not facetiously...

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News Item4/14/18 11:43 AM
penned  Find all comments by penned
Walter wrote:
ADL ...stands for ?
antidefamation league

now, if you care to know study their website for a couple hours and it all becomes clear.

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News Item4/14/18 11:41 AM
Walter | Alabama  Find all comments by Walter
ADL ...stands for ?
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News Item4/14/18 11:18 AM
penned  Find all comments by penned
I'm sorry to tell you all this but there are probably groups like ADL behind this. So our dispensatoinal friends insist on promoting a group that are "chosen" (after centuries of arguing about racial distinctions they demand a racially charged gospel) and in order to keep us "unchosen" Christians from being haters these "chosen" lobbies call your precious held beliefs "intolerance"..

...they come into YOUR communities and read transgender books to the children that come to your churches in their classrooms... according to their religous beliefs...

...they make laws that allow a boy to dress like a girl and change in the same room as the teenage girls who come to your churches...

evangelicals, repent, the two hands of friendship with zionism... cultural marxism and military industrial conflicts.

or bow down to your masters...

then once the church has decided which kindgom shall reign over the affairs of a professed believer, let the rest of us know.

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News Item4/14/18 11:09 AM
Connor7  Find all comments by Connor7
How about it's a violation of God's law?
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News Item4/14/18 5:57 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
What California is planning is in violation of the United States Constitution and those California legislators should be charged with treason.
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