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FRONT PAGE  |  9/19/2019
FRIDAY, APR 6, 2018  |  24 comments
Chinese Government Reinterpreting The Bible For The Masses

The Chinese government announced the impending “Chinese-style” reinterpretation of the Christian scriptures via an official document, “Principle for Promoting the Chinese Christianity in China for the Next Five Years (2018-2022),” released in Nanjing on March 28, according to ABC. Soon thereafter, online shoppers in China noticed Bibles were no longer available for online purchase in the country — neither digital nor print.

The government’s efforts to reign in Christianity may actually be backfiring, according to Nee, despite making life extraordinarily difficult for believers in certain areas of the country.

“Despite all the pressure put on Christians, and indeed, perhaps because of it, China is seeing a surge of religious belief,” Nee said. “The situation for freedom of religion varies greatly form location to location, with some people going to church and holding Bible studies and other ...


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News Item4/9/18 2:37 PM
Yolanda | AZ  Find all comments by Yolanda
Jon wrote:
Goodbye to all of you Calvinists and KJV only folks. I have been agonizing in prayer and studying much on these issues and come to the conclusion that I flatly reject Calvinism and KJV only, and that I am much more doctrinally in line with the Wesleyan/Arminiani tradition. Therefore I cannot waste any more of my time on this site and will be deleting the app. There is coming a great shaking wherein all that can be shaken will be, and only the truth and good will remain. We will all know then what is true and good. Farewell
No man knows as he aught.

Now we know in part.

We see through a glass darkly ..

No matter who it is we disagree with, servants of the Lord must not strive. All knowledge must lead us to search the scriptures to see if anything taught by man is true. All things are for our sake.

We are to grow in the grace and in the knowledge of Christ.

we are told to follow Christ.

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News Item4/8/18 10:00 PM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
"Best just to follow the Bible and not after the traditions of man!" Good counsel for all of us, Kev.
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News Item4/8/18 8:15 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Take care, Jon, but also take care in the future that you don't just assume everyone, wherever you go, is this or that, based solely upon one or two conversations.
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News Item4/8/18 6:11 PM
Carol  Find all comments by Carol
Best to follow Christ.."surely every man is vanity".Psalm 39:11.
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News Item4/8/18 5:47 PM
Kev | US  Find all comments by Kev
Jon wrote:
Goodbye to all of you Calvinists and KJV only folks. I have been agonizing in prayer and studying much on these issues and come to the conclusion that I flatly reject Calvinism and KJV only, and that I am much more doctrinally in line with the Wesleyan/Arminiani tradition. Therefore I cannot waste any more of my time on this site and will be deleting the app. There is coming a great shaking wherein all that can be shaken will be, and only the truth and good will remain. We will all know then what is true and good. Farewell
Take care their Jon. I wouldn’t follow Wesley either he was a liar, false witness who misrepresented Augustus Toplady and tried to undue his work by putting out false statement attributed to Toplady and was a heretic which taught Christian perfectionism. Look it up! Best just to follow the Bible and not after the traditions of man!
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News Item4/8/18 5:19 PM
Connor7  Find all comments by Connor7
Jon said, "And so you would agree that if the law of the land was death for those teaching heresy, that you would uphold that? Where did Jesus or the Apostles ever teach such a thing?"

I did not say that murdering Servatus was right, acceptable, I said, "it was a crime worthy of death (by the law of the land)"
noticed that I said, "by the law of the land" I did not say, "By the New Testament"

"As far as David is concerned, that was a God ordained theocracy under the Old Covenant, a new Covenant is now in force that the scriptures make clear is not like the Old. It is all now of the heart, and the spirit. No, you can keep your Calvinism, I'll stick to the New Testament thank you."

You completely missed the point and I hope people can see that, both David and Calvin were saved, and both killed someone.

Also I hope people can see that you avoided my question in regards to Romans 8:6-8, instead you misrepresented what I said (lying about me) and avoided the question.

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News Item4/8/18 3:15 PM
Jon | Pennsylvania  Find all comments by Jon
Goodbye to all of you Calvinists and KJV only folks. I have been agonizing in prayer and studying much on these issues and come to the conclusion that I flatly reject Calvinism and KJV only, and that I am much more doctrinally in line with the Wesleyan/Arminiani tradition. Therefore I cannot waste any more of my time on this site and will be deleting the app. There is coming a great shaking wherein all that can be shaken will be, and only the truth and good will remain. We will all know then what is true and good. Farewell
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News Item4/8/18 12:36 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Jon wrote:
... a God ordained theocracy under the Old Covenant, a new Covenant is now in force that the scriptures make clear is not like the Old.
Perhaps we need to admit that systems of belief as dispensationalism or Covenant Theology approach the work of redemption with obvious deficits.

From the beginning in Eden God's setting was a theocracy, from which the first family wandered off and the same with their descendants till the flood.
This same concept of a theocracy became reinforced later by the choosing of Israel as a body with specified laws, in which God's supreme rule ought to reign, and which acts as a prototype of the true church of God in all ages.

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News Item4/8/18 11:25 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Jon, it is useful to assess things, and in doing so to arrive to valid convictions.

However, in this thread, as in another were you opinion about bible versions, it would had been beneficial to bring into the subject all the existing evidence about the particular matters before making final conclusions. E.g. there are some key facts omitted regarding Servetus.

Also sometimes we take assumptions as facts. E.g. the issue of the Anabaptists being direct ancestors to present day baptists, or that older manuscripts by definition are better. In all honesty, these are myths created by some to benefit ready-made agendas.

It is true we wrongly judge, or idolise, figures of the past in the light of our present settings, preferences, and limited understanding.
However, it is important we learn to discern the positive and separate it from the negative in each case.
The Reformers, as Calvin, excerted good influence in certain issues, but were flawed in others. Yet, this should never blurr our correct perception about them.

It is easy to take truth by one wing at the expense of strangling its strength, when in reality often there is a balance that makes opposites coexist, e.g. love and justice, forbearance and judgement, ignorance and accountability.

Regards

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News Item4/7/18 10:54 PM
Jon | Pennsylvania  Find all comments by Jon
Correction to a typo: "But in no way would I endorse civil authorities.......
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News Item4/7/18 10:47 PM
Jon | Pennsylvania  Find all comments by Jon
And so you would agree that if the law of the land was death for those teaching heresy, that you would uphold that? Where did Jesus or the Apostles ever teach such a thing? As a matter of fact, the setting up of a theocracy brutally enforcing "church discipline " is diametrically opposed to the teaching and spirit of the New Testament. THAT to me is heresy. But in know would I endorse civil authorities being involved and enforcing penalties recommended by the church. A heretic must be removed from teaching and involvement with the flock, but civil penalties? I challenge you to support any these assertions from you he New Testament. As far as David is concerned, that was a God ordained theocracy under the Old Covenant, a new Covenant is now in force that the scriptures make clear is not like the Old. It is all now of the heart, and the spirit. No, you can keep your Calvinism, I'll stick to the New Testament thank you.
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News Item4/7/18 10:23 PM
Connor7  Find all comments by Connor7
Furthermore, if Calvin reminds you Saul, then I suppose king David reminds you of Saul (if you want to be consistent) now you said that you want nothing to do with Calvin nor his doctrines, now if the doctrine of Reformed theology was found only in Calvin then you would have a legitimate objection, but since it's taught in the bible there is no legitimate objection. I came across Reformed theology by reading my Bible. The apostle Paul said,

"Romans 8:6-8 KJV

[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Here's my question: Is faith and repentance pleasing to God? If you say yes, then you object to Paul's teaching; if you say yes, then you have to deal with Paul's argument.

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News Item4/7/18 10:14 PM
Connor7  Find all comments by Connor7
Jon I want to clarify something, I do not place Calvin on a pedestal, as Christians we should never put any man about the word of God.

I think many IFB churches are indeed preaching/teaching heresy, and anti gospel things (non-lordship salvation, carnal Christian, modalism, partialism, etc.)

And unbiblical traditions (sinner's prayer, invitation, 1,2,3 pray after me, etc.) If you question the validity of Reformed Baptists, I would greatly encourage you to question IFB churches.

As far as Servetus, it was a crime worthy of death (by the law of the land) to teach/preach the heresy he believed. Servetus had the option between hanging and being burned, & while I don't believe Calvin should have...endorsed it. But Servetus preached heresy, this image of Servetus that you're trying to depict is against history...

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News Item4/7/18 4:16 PM
Jon | Pennsylvania  Find all comments by Jon
I'll never understand why Calvin is placed upon a pedestal. The only thing he succeeded in doing was replacing one theocratic police state with another. And to have whole so called "Baptist" denominations and churches base their foundational doctrines on Calvinism is beyond me. He reminds me very much of an unregenerate Saul of Taurus standing by, holding the cloaks of those stoning Stephen to death. Calvin did very much the same thing to a man named Servetus, burning him at the stake. Servetus cried out to Jesus in his death agony, just as Stephen did. No I want nothing to do with Calvin and his doctrines, nor do I need it. I have everything I need in the teaching of the Apostles, Gospels, the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms. I'll never understand those who call themselves "Baptists" respecting a man who persecuted the Anabaptists, who were allegedly their spiritual forefathers.
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News Item4/7/18 12:51 AM
Youth in Asia | Asia  Find all comments by Youth in Asia
I think export goods have something called quality control, most Bible companies are business's, as long as people demand quality of quantity, there will always be Bible's with correct italics, spellings, etc, even though printed in China.
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News Item4/6/18 10:53 PM
Connor7  Find all comments by Connor7
Jim, every Calvinist holds to the five points, anything less means you're an inconsistent synergist.
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News Item4/6/18 8:59 PM
Wayfarer Pilgrim | Lubbock,tx  Find all comments by Wayfarer Pilgrim
Most bibles bought today are made in China. What’s to stop the only bible printing publishing company in China from italicizing whole portions of the text? And if you italicize the text your text becomes questionable. Look at the latest NIV 2011, printed in China and ask yourself, why all italics?
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News Item4/6/18 3:10 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Youth in Asia, thanks for the information. Well if you have John MacArthur's material--except for the Bible of course -- that is all you need❗ You will get plenty of Calvinism from John MacArthur also, since he is a five-point Calvinist. In fact some people complain about it.

I was hoping that there was something like the And Bible in readable Chinese so, the Chinese would have very easy access to lots of material that is free.👍 Unfortunately, I assume many of the old Bible commentaries are not translated into Chinese.

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News Item4/6/18 1:40 PM
Youth in Asia | Asia  Find all comments by Youth in Asia
To answer Jims question: Most Christians who were raised in the church know about the writtings of John Calvin and St. Augstine, as they were translated into english. The Bible school near me, has Warren Wiersbe commentary translated, John MacArthur, followed by Pentacoastal writtings used for devotionals. Seems like the church is split between Plymouth brethren and Charismatic influences, Paul Washer's recent chinese ministry has brought much of reformed theology and puritan works to china.
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News Item4/6/18 10:44 AM
Just a guy | Mississippi  Find all comments by Just a guy
Amazing. The world's governments still think making Bibles illegal will stop Christianity. The only thing that does is make people wonder why it is illegal.
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