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Choice News SUNDAY, MAR 4, 2018  |  34 comments
Moody Bible Institute demands staff sign Chicago Statement on biblical inerrancy
Moody Bible Institute, one of the bastions of American evangelicalism, has clamped down on a perceived theological drift among its staff, demanding they sign an ultra-conservative statement of faith on biblical inerrancy.

The Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy is seen in many quarters as the benchmark of conservative evangelicalism.


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News Item4/3/18 5:39 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Daniel B. Wallace wrote:
By their nature, conspiracy theories ask the reader to be completely skeptical toward one view while adopting the other, without an examination of the evidence. (One recent book that pushes a conspiracy theory actually has thousands of factual errors and misrepresentations in it, all of which go unchallenged by those sucked in by its aura.)...

...Mark Noll has recently written a masterful book entitled, The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind. In it he speaks about how American evangelicals have decided to chuck their brains for the sake of the party line, or for experience, or for emotionalism, etc. But the history of Christianity up through last century was of a different ilk. The Church felt that at least some of its number should be scholars--men and women who dedicated their minds to God, who cultivated the life of the mind....

...To be blunt, this trend is symptomatic of the dumbing down of Christians in this country. Evangelicals are increasingly holding down the anti-intellectual fort, without engaging in serious debate with others....

--http://tinyurl.com/lu4zk32 (The Conspiracy Behind the New Bible Translations)
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News Item3/13/18 2:23 PM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Biblical inerrancy? As in all fifty thousand versions are inerrant--or as in one is inerrant and therefore the others cannot be?
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News Item3/11/18 5:20 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
evangelicals do not understand the commnst sweep in the west. how can they not absorb it, like sitting ducks?

has this not been played out in nation after nation?

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News Item3/11/18 4:57 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | SeeSaw scene  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
See below about the "majority" of Greek cursive manuscripts?
Well, “out of more than 250 cursive manuscripts containing 1 Timothy 3:16, all but two or three have ‘God’ in the verse” (Moorman, p. 274). Add to that the additional eleven uncials that have it as well, and things become a little lopsided, don’t they? The majority text of the KJV sits
like an
🐘elephant against 3🐁mice on a seesaw.
And to all of that, Scrivener adds that Ignatius in A.D. 110 and Hippolytus in A.D. 235 quote 1 Timothy 3:16 with “God” in it, as well. Both those citations are 100–200 years earlier than Sinaiticus.
With overwhelming evidence for the KJV English reading; it is now up to you to make up your mind- God Served up Providentially preserved truth?

When you examine the evidence for those things firsthand, you are forced to conclude one of three things:
1. Critical text "scholars"are IGNORANT;

2. These "scholars"are LIARS;

3. Agnostic"scholars" are deceived by the Devil.

The men behind these attacks on your Bible are too brilliant to be ignorant, so they must be either liars or deceived. That’s the work of the Devil John 8:44
The Devil’s job is to question what God said Gen. 3:1&corrupt what God said 2 Cor. 2:17 so he can destroy the Bible &destroy people’s faith in the Bible

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News Item3/11/18 3:44 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Balance  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
from a book by Jack Moorman entitled Early Manuscripts, Church Fathers, and the Authorized Version.
--
There are 5,800 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, in whole or in part. There are dozens of Greek texts that have been published, based on those manuscripts. So when someone talks about the “original Greek text,” the question that should immediately come to your mind is:
“Which Greek text?”
1st manuscript evidence to note is that behind 1 Timothy 3:16. The verse is one of the greatest proof texts on the Deity and incarnation of Christ. The pertinent part of the verse says, “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh . . . .”
Tho God is expurgated in Agnostic texts by Romanist Greek profs- on what weight?

Whenever you hear someone talk about “the majority of manuscripts” or “the majority text,” he is referring to as many as 874 manuscripts among the cursives alone, Nestle’s critical apparatus symbolizes this text with å. Space does not permit, here, to list those manuscripts, but if I did, the list would take up two full pages of type. That is how many of them there are. Of these 874 manuscripts, 250 have 1 Timothy 3:16. That’s 250 manuscripts against 3 manuscripts; that’s the evidence supporting the KJV reading.

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News Item3/11/18 2:26 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Here in my Hands  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
EVERY WORD of God is pure” Prov. 30:5
To the Bible-correcting Fundamentalist, the “Word” of God (capital W) means “the message,” “the principles,” “the fundamentals,” “the teachings”; never the individual words of Scripture that Jesus called “spirit” and “life” John 6:63 The words are subject to the whims of professors, scholars, textual critics,&translators.
In that Bible, if you are “of God,” you will hear his “words,” not just His message John 8:47.
It is the “words” that are pure and preserved Psa. 12:6–7, not just the fundamentals.
The believer is to “live” by “every word” of God Mt4:4&Lk4:4, not just the principles.
It is the individual “words” that are true ( 2 Sam. 7:28), not just some nebulous “Word.”
And it is the individual “words” that the believer is to esteem above his “necessary food” (Job 23:12), not just the teachings.
Let me ask you something:
¿do you have God’s W-O-R-D-S?
NIV is minus over 64,000 words.
NASV missing about 36,000 words.
New King James missing 500 words.
Ditto the other ~333 counterfeit Bibles that have come off the press since 1880.
I have God’s words. I have them in my language. I have every word God wants me to have, exactly as He wants me to have them, and I don’t have to correct one word in that King James Bible-Pr30:5
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News Item3/11/18 2:11 PM
You do realize  Find all comments by You do realize
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:

but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 

that this happened at a specific time in a specific place. Learn it, live it.

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News Item3/11/18 1:33 PM
VanPastorMan | Penn  Contact via emailFind all comments by VanPastorMan
I am a Moody glad and was very pleased by this news.
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News Item3/10/18 9:06 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Shazzam  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
What I realize Ps138:2bGod"magnified HIS word above all HIS name."
realize foolz have no final authority but God
realize foolz think "God is a Spirit"&there is no physical final authority-
realize all books are material, so there's no book on this earth foolz think a final &absolute authority on what is right &what is wrong, or constitutes truth ontologically -
Only in ether.Ether🐰bibles
realize a series of writings IF put into a BOOK as soon as they were written (in Klingon?)WOULD HAVE constituted an infallible&final authority by which to judge truth&error
BUT I realized foolz think this series of writings was lost& God who inspired them was unable to preserve their content through Bible-believing Christians at Antioch where the 1st Bible teachers were --Acts 13
realize foolz think God ALMOST preserved them throughGnostics&philosophers from Alexandria, Egypt(Tho Egypt & Sodom are twins Rev11:8)
I realize of 2 streams of Bibles, foolz think the most {close enuff}are from Alexandria, Egypt, which are “almost originals,” tho not quite.
realize foolz think the most inaccurate translations were those that brought about the Reformation (&the Bible that D L Moody used)
realize foolz can “tolerate” D L Moody's Bible if those who believe in them will “tolerate” Foolz gladly
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News Item3/10/18 7:37 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Blank verse REhearse  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
NIV Mark 16:9-20 (all 12 verses) -- There is a doubting line separating the last 12 verses of Mark from the main text. Right under the line it says: [The two most reliable early manuscripts do not have Mark 16:9-20] (NIV, 1978 ed.)
The Jehovah's Witness "Bible" also places the last 12 verses of Mark as an appendix of sorts.

https://jesus-is-lord.com/nivdelet.htm
--

We stand on infinitely firmer ground when we insist that the whole of Mark’s Gospel—from the 1st verse of the 1st chapter to the end of verse 20 of the
16th chapter—was given by inspiration of God and is to be respected as an integral part of the divine revelation.

See John W. Burgon, The Last Twelve Verses of the Gospel According to S. Mark (Oxford, England: James Parker and Co., 1871), p. 98.

https://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.tbsbibles.org/resource/collection/156A9AA2-2086-4C4E-BE0A-08A4508415DA/The-Last-Twelve-Verses-of-Mark-16.pdf
--
Waaayyyy back
3/27/17 7:15 PM

Someone using this same snide name
"You do realize"
on an SA thread quoted
In reply to Adriel
"
Mark 16:9  Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
"
snide Klingon poster might realize old Greek texts Burgon shows deleted his "doctrine"

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News Item3/10/18 7:28 PM
You do realize  Find all comments by You do realize
There is a difference between the those written in the original languages and translations. If there were no originals then nothing would need to be preserved The fact that one would have the first Bible written in a previously unknown language does not mean His Word was not previously preserved. God’s Word to Abraham was not that until He called him out of the land of the Ur of the Chaldees at a given time.
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News Item3/10/18 6:11 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | As u wish dish  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
"For ever, O LORD, Thy Word is settled in heaven" (Ps. 119:89). Although the Scriptures were written during a definite historical period, they are not the product of that period but of the eternal plan of God. "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the Word of our God shall stand for ever" (Isa. 40:8). God speaks in them to every age, including the present. "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope" (Rom. 15:4).

We're in the position of
" u do know that
1-
IF THERE WERE NEVER any Hebrew& Aramaic
2-IF THERE WERE NEVER any Koiné Greek
-/
For ever, O LORD, Thy Word is settled in heaven" (Ps. 119:89).
So Hebrew & Greek have
"nothing to do with the preservation of God’s Word. His Word would still be preserved even if no one ever spoke Hebrew,Aramaic or Greek"

Either/Or Fallacy (also called "the Black-and-White Fallacy," "Excluded Middle," "False Dilemma," or "False Dichotomy"): This fallacy occurs when a writer builds an argument upon the assumption that there are only two choices or possible outcomes when actually there are several.

IF WE ignore what God allowed , we may postulate an 🙈Amaslan Bible on Video, IF deaf to HISStory History 🙉

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News Item3/10/18 5:52 PM
You do realize  Find all comments by You do realize
That you either believe that God preserved Hos Word eternally or you don’t. This would mean His use of the Wycliffe translation, the Geneva Bible and the Bishop’sBible for English speaking people prior to 1611. There is no reason to believe God was flawed in His work until the KJV
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News Item3/10/18 5:40 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | If Wiff sniff  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
God Choses to preserve His words?
In English

English-established By God's Providence
Acts 2:5

Fools (¡in English!)make ¿flights of fancy 🚀&postulate Klingon texts👽?
😜
Is 28:9Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. 13But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. 14bWherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men"

God uses times
Gal4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son,"
&changes
Heb1:1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2AHath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son.."
"The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation.."
Cf-Mt21:43

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News Item3/10/18 5:24 PM
You do realize  Find all comments by You do realize
That the KJV has nothing to do with the preservation of God’s Word. His Word would still be preserved even if no one ever spoke English
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News Item3/10/18 3:02 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | perfect Translations in Bible  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
look into the Bible for examples of inspired words preserved

You find there
1- the Bible translating What Jesus said into another language.
E.G.Mk5:41 "Talitha cumi"

2-supplying alternate readings.
1Sam9:9 " what's a seer?"
marginal insertions show that the AV1611 translators were honest researchers. Of their efforts, the Trinitarian Bible Society stated in Fruit Among The Leaves, Quarterly Record, July-September 1980, No. 472 that “In most cases the reading in the text of the Authorised Version is superior to the alternative given in the margin.”

¿seer vs prophet?

‘Westminster Confession of Faith 17 Century p23’ says... ‘The OT in Hebrew & the NT in Greek, being immediately inspired by God & by His singular care & providence kept pure in all ages, are therefore authentical; so as in all controversies of religion, the Church is finally to appeal unto them.’(If only this was true today!)
Heb 4v12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Jesus said-
Mat 24v35 – Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 
(same verse found in Mk13v31 + Lk 21v33)

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News Item3/10/18 2:36 PM
You do realize  Find all comments by You do realize
That God did not inspire the translators of the KJV Bible and that they included alternative renderings in the margins of the 1611 version?
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News Item3/10/18 1:04 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Preference vs power  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Ps 138:2b"for thou hast magnifiedthy word above all thy name."
Vs
1-there's no final authority but God
2 As "God is a Spirit"&there is no physical final authority-
3 all books are material, so there's no book on this earth that is the final &absolute authority on what is right &what is wrong, what constitutes truth&what constitutes error EXISTS
4 a series of writings IF put into a BOOK as soon as they were written they WOULD HAVE constituted an infallible&final authority by which to judge truth&error
5 BUT this series of writings was lost& God who inspired them was unable to preserve their content through Bible-believing Christians at Antioch (Syria), where the 1st Bible teachers were Acts 13:1& where the 1st missionary trip originated Acts 13:1-52
6. God ALMOST preserved them through Gnostics&philosophers from Alexandria, Egypt
(Tho Egypt & Sodom are twins Rev11:8)
7. Of two streams of Bibles, the most accurate{close enuff}are from Alexandria, Egypt, which are “almost originals,” although not quite.
8. The most inaccurate translations were those that brought about the Reformation (&the Bible that D L Moody used)
9. But we can “tolerate” these if those who believe in them will “tolerate” US. After all, there is NO ABSOLUTE & FINAL AUTHORITY that u can hold.
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News Item3/10/18 10:58 AM
Ignominious Emirakan | Book quote  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Bruce w Lantto wrote:
To all the nay sayers that say I do not have the KJV 1611 Authorized Version in my hand because I can't read it are wrong. I have a copy of the KJV 1611, with the Apocrypha is in it, Yes, that is true.But any well read Christian will know that t. he Apocrypha is in the middle between the Old and New Testaments because the translators did not accept the Apocrypha, because they didn't accept it as the Word of God. I STILL STAND BY DEUTERONOMY 30:10-14. In Jesus name. Bruce w Lantto
10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

Rom10:6 &c. Noted in 1611
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News Item3/10/18 9:04 AM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Right on, Bruce! Obviously You Do Realize didn't realize. (Could be that he or she doesn't have real eyes.) How arrogant to state that you probably couldn't read it! If you are studying the KJB, then certainly "the word IS nigh thee."
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