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FRONT PAGE  |  7/17/2019
WEDNESDAY, FEB 14, 2018  |  36 comments  |  1 commentary
'Numerous Fatalities' in Shooting at Douglas High School in Parkland
A suspect is in custody after a shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, that left at least one person dead and at least 20 injured Wednesday afternoon, sources told NBC News.

Broward Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie said there were "numerous fatalities" but the exact number was unknown. At least 14 victims have been taken to local hospitals, the Broward County twitter account said, and the scene is still active.

An official briefed on the investigation identified the suspect as Nicolas Cruz, who is approximately 18 years old. He was also taken to a nearby hospital, and police escorted him out of the hospital about an hour later. The extent of the suspect's injury is unclear. ...


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News Item2/17/18 1:24 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
My Own 2 cents wrote:
Using electronic means to spread the gospel is under the passage, "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."
(Mark 16:15b)
Using what we have today to spread the Truth is in the Bible.
However, we do not see, "Go ye into all the world and teach a Sunday school class".
I don't believe it is a sinful, harmful, thing, please don't get me wrong.

What I'm trying to say that it isn't necessary.

Thanks for your response.

Teaching is covered in II Timothy 2:2 and Isaiah 28:10. Sunday School is simply the teaching of Scripture, surely you see that in the Bible. It is also a tool for evangelism so that would make it covered in the verse you cited.

Brother books aren't "necessary" for teaching and learning but they are a valuable aid. Cars aren't necessary to get around but few people walk everywhere. Washers aren't necessary to clean clothes but we all use them.

Most churches have central air conditioning, restrooms, sound systems, lighting, and places to sit, they aren't necessary (or found in the Bible)to have a service, but we find them useful tools in the work of the ministry.

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News Item2/16/18 1:24 PM
My Own 2 cents  Find all comments by My Own 2 cents
Unprofitable Servant wrote:

⏩"They should shut down this entire site, by this logic. Here we have sermons for edification and doctrinal instruction, sacred music, Christian books, even news commentary sections accessible via electronic media. NONE of this is found anywhere in the Bible."

Using electronic means to spread the gospel is under the passage, "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."
(Mark 16:15b)

Using what we have today to spread the Truth is in the Bible.

However, we do not see, "Go ye into all the world and teach a Sunday school class".

I don't believe it is a sinful, harmful, thing, please don't get me wrong.
What I'm trying to say that it isn't necessary.

🔴It was, on the other hand, used by D. L. Moody in Chicago to reach children for Christ; but it was PRIMARILY a school class on Sunday to give them an education, which they probably wouldn't get cause of their poor condition.🔴

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News Item2/16/18 5:51 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
My Own 2 cents wrote:
but we don't see Sunday school ANYWHERE in the Bible.
They should shut down this entire site, by this logic. Here we have sermons for edification and doctrinal instruction, sacred music, Christian books, even news commentary sections accessible via electronic media. NONE of this is found anywhere in the Bible.

Addressing what others have said, most churches have Sunday School apart from their morning worship service so it is not a means to separate the family worship time together.

We understand that different ages learn things differently in schools but God forbid we should use that understanding in teaching about spiritual matters?

I am going to say abuses are the exception to the rule. In most Bibically sound churches your Sunday School teacher is a godly individual with a burden for those entrusted to their care. They pray for their students and over their lessons and try to make sure what they teach is sound doctrine.

Learning is to be line upon line, precept upon precept, Sunday School gives the opportunity to have it done age specifically.

Disclaimers
I don't teach a Sunday School class, and I don't believe that Sunday School should be used as a replacement for daily Biblical teaching in the home

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News Item2/15/18 9:39 PM
Watcher | North America  Find all comments by Watcher
My Own 2 cents wrote:
Yeah, no reset button for crimes.
Do they have X Boxe's or PS4's in prison?
Knowing prisons these days, I wouldn't be surprised.
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News Item2/15/18 8:58 PM
My Own 2 cents  Find all comments by My Own 2 cents
Yeah, no reset button for crimes.

Do they have X Boxe's or PS4's in prison?

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News Item2/15/18 8:45 PM
Watcher | North America  Find all comments by Watcher
My Own 2 cents wrote:
I personally think he "snapped" because of all of the Hollywood movies, graphic videogames, death culture, and a SIN nature.
Then ya throw in evolution ▶(life has no consequences and no meaning),◀ and we have a disaster waiting to happen.💣💥
Video game mentality in all its sickening glory. Bet he's wondering where the reset option is.
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News Item2/15/18 8:32 PM
My Own 2 cents  Find all comments by My Own 2 cents
I personally think he "snapped" because of all of the Hollywood movies, graphic videogames, death culture, and a SIN nature.

Then ya throw in evolution ▶(life has no consequences and no meaning),◀ and we have a disaster waiting to happen.💣💥

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News Item2/15/18 7:32 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
Watcher wrote:
At all costs. It's a responsibility I take very seriously. Even if it means my life to do so.
thumbs up to ya!
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News Item2/15/18 7:18 PM
Watcher | North America  Find all comments by Watcher
penned wrote:
it is good to protect children. that is an obligation that our men have, like it or not.
At all costs. It's a responsibility I take very seriously. Even if it means my life to do so.
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News Item2/15/18 7:05 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
it is good to protect children. that is an obligation that our men have, like it or not.
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News Item2/15/18 6:33 PM
Watcher | North America  Find all comments by Watcher
Christopher000 wrote:
Hey Watcher, hope you're doing good. I read an article just this morning on what you commented on. He and his brother were adopted as infants, I believe, but had a good life and home. The father passed, and the mother filled the role for both, always keeping them busy with fun things and activities, and never wanted for anything, etc. Apparently, the adoptive mother died last year, I believe. Both of the boys did have behavioral problems, and the shooter was in therapy for some time, but hadn't gone in a while. Shortly before the shooting, like the day before or something, he had a fight with his new girlfriends ex, so who know what made him snap, or maybe it was a lot of things together. I'm sure you know that he made a comment on a YouTube channel just last year saying that he was going to be a "professional school shooter". The FBI took the information, but couldn't track down who actually made the comment at the time. Not sure how they know now all of a sudden.
He seemed to be a run away train headed for disaster. Another sad victim of a society that doesn't care. Yeah, read a bunch on his upbringing as well.

Doing good brother. Have a blessed evening.

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News Item2/15/18 6:15 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hey Watcher, hope you're doing good. I read an article just this morning on what you commented on. He and his brother were adopted as infants, I believe, but had a good life and home. The father passed, and the mother filled the role for both, always keeping them busy with fun things and activities, and never wanted for anything, etc. Apparently, the adoptive mother died last year, I believe. Both of the boys did have behavioral problems, and the shooter was in therapy for some time, but hadn't gone in a while. Shortly before the shooting, like the day before or something, he had a fight with his new girlfriends ex, so who know what made him snap, or maybe it was a lot of things together. I'm sure you know that he made a comment on a YouTube channel just last year saying that he was going to be a "professional school shooter". The FBI took the information, but couldn't track down who actually made the comment at the time. Not sure how they know now all of a sudden.
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News Item2/15/18 6:02 PM
Watcher | North America  Find all comments by Watcher
Christopher000 wrote:
I don't know how any parent deals with the loss of a child, especially in such a tragic way. I can't imagine what the parents, siblings, and grandparents, etc., are experiencing, emotionally, at this very moment. The thing that adds even more to the heartache is when we start seeing the faces of those who lost their lives, and over what...because some kid was angry?
Look at his upbringing. He wasn't wanted or loved. Perhaps he was even stolen away from his parents by corrupts social services. He had a grudge and it seemed he was on the path from an early age to do something like this. Yes, it is his fault, but children are all a product of their environment. Everyone of us grows up according to our home environments. Kids today are all (for the most part) ticking time-bombs. They seem to be on edge, angry and empty. It's a recipe for disaster for sure.

My heart goes out to the parents. Hopefully this spurns others on to bring their kids home and homeschool them.

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News Item2/15/18 5:54 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I don't know how any parent deals with the loss of a child, especially in such a tragic way. I can't imagine what the parents, siblings, and grandparents, etc., are experiencing, emotionally, at this very moment. The thing that adds even more to the heartache is when we start seeing the faces of those who lost their lives, and over what...because some kid was angry?
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News Item2/15/18 5:25 PM
Watcher | North America  Find all comments by Watcher
Neil wrote:
For parents who aren't convinced Sunday Schools are unbiblical, *please* be cautious at least, and be aware that churches have often wound up with perverts on staff. We've known several cases both personally and secondhand; one even involved another student, not the leader. Be as wise as serpents, gentle as doves. Beware of those who like young people not their own, for that is not a sure sign they can be trusted, esp. given the tendency of child abusers to be good actors...
One church I went to when I was a youngster had a Sunday School teacher and bus driver convicted of sexual assault on numerous children. He had invited a couple of dozen children over to his house for a "sleep-over", games, ice-cream, etc. I was there that night, but both of my parents were impressed to go get me and bring me home. He protested, I screamed and fussed, but thank God I was. He molested a bunch of the kids that night. Sickening! Just because it's called Christian, doesn't mean we can trust it.

@My Own 2 cents, yes unfortunately. It's quickly getting to the point where my wife and I are talking about relocating to another country. It's getting bad here.

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News Item2/15/18 3:35 PM
My Own 2 cents  Find all comments by My Own 2 cents
Good post Neil. 👍☺

You live in Canada, Watcher??

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News Item2/15/18 3:31 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Watcher wrote:
Yep. Totally agree. The enemy wants our children as he knows they are the future.
For parents who aren't convinced Sunday Schools are unbiblical, *please* be cautious at least, and be aware that churches have often wound up with perverts on staff. We've known several cases both personally and secondhand; one even involved another student, not the leader. Be as wise as serpents, gentle as doves. Beware of those who like young people not their own, for that is not a sure sign they can be trusted, esp. given the tendency of child abusers to be good actors.

Oh, and when a youth ministry boasts about being Fun, this immediately proves they're on the wrong path.

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News Item2/15/18 3:23 PM
Watcher | North America  Find all comments by Watcher
My Own 2 cents wrote:
Correct Watcher and Yolanda.
If you live in United States, get a concealed carry permit and purchase a compact handgun.
You won't regret carrying if some creep tries anything to harm your kids. 😕
There's where the States are better to live in than Canada. EVERYTHING'S against the law up here. You can't even criticize a Muslim without it being a criminal offense. Who'd ever think that Canada would become a communist country?
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News Item2/15/18 3:15 PM
My Own 2 cents  Find all comments by My Own 2 cents
Correct Watcher and Yolanda.

If you live in United States, get a concealed carry permit and purchase a compact handgun.

You won't regret carrying if some creep tries anything to harm your kids. 😕

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News Item2/15/18 3:07 PM
Watcher | North America  Find all comments by Watcher
Yolanda wrote:
Watcher,
I agree with you 100%. There should be no separation between children and their parents in church. This is where they learn to be still, reverence God, and listen to him. The cosmos has already put too many wedges between parents and children.
My point was that murders are occurring in churches as well. Now if someone is after children only then any place where they gather is subject to having their life aborted.
The only safe place for any of us is in Christ. We know not the hour, the day, or the circumstances we are called into judgment. Being hid in the cleft of the Rock is the safest place.
Yep. Totally agree. The enemy wants our children as he knows they are the future. It doesn't matter where we are, church, a store, a park...wherever, my wife and I are on constant alert to dangers for them. The enemy is an opportunist and he will take his shot when we let our guards down.
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