Vatican: China best example of church's social doctrine
Conservative Catholics are expressing shock at Pope Francis‚Äô zeal in embracing the totalitarian government of China by first agreeing to replace underground church leaders with state-chosen hacks and now with a top Vatican official saying ‚Äúthose who best realize the social doctrine of the church are the Chinese.‚ÄĚ
Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, an Argentinian, is Pope Francis‚Äô chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences told Vatican Insider that China is exercising global moral leadership in the defense of human dignity.
On a recent trip, Sorondo said: ‚ÄúI found an extraordinary China; what people do not know is that the central Chinese principle is ‚Äėwork, work, work.‚Äô ‚Ä¶ As Paul said: ‚ÄėHe who does not work does not eat.‚Äô You do not have shantytowns; you do not have drugs; young people do not have drugs. There is a positive national consciousness...
The Jesuits plotted to kill Lincoln, the Jesuits taught Stalin, and the Pope influenced both Castro brothers, Chavez‚Äô and Maduro. The RCC is final Babylon only if it can link with a stable socialist nation. The more tyrannical, oppressive the nation, the more powerful the Catholic Church.
Jim Lincoln wrote: ...Not, really Neil, the Catholic Church got along just fine with the fascist dictatorship of Spain, Portugal and Germany not to mention Italy.
Where'd I say or imply otherwise? Of course it did; Fascism is merely a nationalistic flavor of socialism, and likewise wants a God-like state. Hitler's party was expressly named National Socialist, and like other German party names, it was truth in advertising. Hitler hated Anglo-American liberal capitalism, e.g. "... They are, after all, plutocracies in which a tiny clique of capitalists dominate the masses." which sounds like modern Democrat and alt-Right rhetoric and is a cheap way to gain support from those who covet Other People's Money.
European "Christian" Democratic parties continue to align with Catholic Social Teaching.
priest Cervellera wrote: ‚ÄúWhat we need to mention, instead, is that in China the economy and politics are the same thing; that the billionaires sit in the Chinese parliament and determine politics according to their interests, which are not those of the rest of the population,‚ÄĚ the priest said.
Cervellera said the pursuit for an agreement with the Chinese government may have influenced the effusive praise heaped on the Communist regime by S√°nchez Sorondo.
‚ÄúWe can understand that in the enthusiasm of wanting an agreement between China and the Vatican, Chinese culture, Chinese people and Chinese mentality are exaggerated and exalted,‚ÄĚ the priest said.
‚ÄúBut the idolization of China is an ideological affirmation that makes a laughing stock of the Church and harms the world,‚ÄĚ he concluded.
Not, really Neil, the Catholic Church got along just fine with the fascist dictatorship of Spain, Portugal and Germany not to mention Italy. there is a left-wing and right-wing in the Roman Church just no middle ground.
The Pope and his bishops are in error as usual. Communism is seen as an "alternative/opposing faith" by some of the folks who develop communist states and ideologies. Probably one of the reasons why the North Korean's "worship" their "Supreme Leader".
Quote: "Karl Marx, the founder and primary theorist of Marxism, had an antithetical and complex attitude to religion, viewing it primarily as "the soul of soulless conditions", the "opium of the people" that had been useful to the ruling classes since it gave the working classes false hope for millennia. At the same time, Marx saw religion as a form of protest by the working classes against their poor economic conditions and their alienation. In the Marxist‚ÄďLeninist interpretation of Marxist theory developed primarily by Russian revolutionary Vladimir Lenin, religion is seen as retarding human development. Due to this, a number of Marxist‚ÄďLeninist governments in the twentieth century, such as the Soviet Union after Lenin and the People's Republic of China, implemented rules introducing state atheism." (Wiki)
Thus Communism, Socialism and Liberalism are satanic. (Viz: Anti-Christian)
course we know it was he who created Israel we know today through the Balfour Decleration, 1917 (same year as Scofield Bible release from same city)
course we also know that 1913 FED Reserve or federation of bankers who conquered the US monetary system, still owned and controlled by you know who...
...and the whole marxist carbon credit scam that the prez has been trying to reverse, redistricting of every city in the world, tax on co2 to equalize wealth of nations under one bank... hmmm, same guy?
Dr. Tim wrote: Neil, when you deliberately use a derogatory term and someone calls you out on it
Absurd; it's no more derogatory than an Aussie calling a postman a "postie." But if labels are all you care about here, then you only exemplify my point of majoring on minors. Manners have nothing to do with truth claims, yet you want to waste space arguing about the former.
And this from someone who publicly calls the pope a "pimp." Do you say this around Catholics too?
Neil, when you deliberately use a derogatory term and someone calls you out on it, that isn't quibbling over labels. If you can't admit you were wrong, then at least admit that you aren't a big enough man to admit it.
Dr. Tim wrote: "Fundies," as you so arrogantly call them, don't need ridicule from "outside," Neil.
You quibble over labels. Am I correct or not? Are you interested in knowing what the RCC actually teaches? I'm thankful Adriel is. And I'm thankful I'm an "outsider" from Fundamentalists, who often are not as "separated" as they think. Like the Pharisees of old, they major on minors.
"Fundies," as you so arrogantly call them, don't need ridicule from "outside," Neil. Like true Bible-believing Christians from the very beginning, we receive more than enough ridicule from those who vainly imagine themselves to be on the inside.
"The present pope, [then] Benedict XVI, and his Vatican system teach that private property is not personal as such, but belongs to all people. His predecessor, Pope John Paul II stated, ‚ÄúPrivate property, in fact, is under a ‚Äėsocial mortgage,‚Äô which means that it has an intrinsically social function, based upon and justified precisely by the principle of the universal destination of goods.‚ÄĚ The principle of ‚Äúthe universal destination of goods‚ÄĚ is clearly observed in what the present pope endorses in the second part of his encyclical entitled ‚ÄúGod is Love.‚ÄĚ Benedict wholly sanctions the principle of the universal ownership of all goods embalmed in the writings of popes Leo XIII, Pius XI, John XXIII, Paul VI, and John Paul II. The phrase, ‚Äúall goods,‚ÄĚ includes not only the goods found in nature but manufactured goods as well. As John Paul II stated, ‚ÄúThe vast majority of people can have access to those goods which are intended for common use: both the goods of nature and manufactured goods.‚ÄĚ Another Vatican Council II document upholds the same principle of the ‚Äúuniversal ownership of all goods‚ÄĚ and emphatically teaches, ‚ÄúIf one is in extreme necessity, he has the right to procure for himself what he needs out of the riches of others.‚ÄĚ" (R.Bennett/R.Nicholson)
Obsessing over Jesuits and Popish Plots, as many Fundies love to do, is beside the point and invites ridicule from outsiders; Rome and its pope would be just as wicked without them.
BTW, how many of you have bothered to visit their website or the Vatican's? Know Your Enemy: http://jesuits.org http://w2.vatican.va/content/vatican/en.html But you do need your Thinking Cap on and Bible open to analyze Church writings critically. They may be wicked and false, but they aren't stupid, and are masters of subtlety.
Jaycobee wrote: Charles, what does being a Jesuit have to do with it? Please explain the negative connotation associated with being a Jesuit.
In the absence of any Charles on the thread, I'll answer.
"The Society of Jesus", known as "Jesuits" was formed by Ignatius Loyola, for the specific task of countering the Protestant Reformation. The Bible being now translated into languages other than Latin, it was up to the Jesuits to stamp out this phenomena, seeing as the common people were now seeing in the scriptures that the Roman church had been deceiving them; they were getting saved through simple faith in Jesus Christ, and thusly leaving the RCC in favour of Protestant denominations. The Protestant Reformation dealt a huge blow to the RCC (thank God!) and the Jesuits set to work to stamp out the after effects, by imprisoning or killing Bible translators, burning Bibles and their owners, and generally trying to regain lost ground (for the devil). They slaughtered countless souls.
And they are still at work. Not able now to persecute Protestants, they seek to draw them all back to Rome by "peaceable means", including modern versions of the Bible and ecumenism.
This makes perfect sense. "Conservative" Catholics, such as at National Review and in the Libertarian movement, are pathetically self-deluded; Roman Church-State Social Doctrine has always aligned better with Progressivism and Marxism than with classical (19th-century) Liberalism. The only real difference is over "womb" issues. Recall that US Catholic bishops endorsed most provisions of Obamacare, and are now opposing repeal: www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/health-care/letter-to-congress-from-bishop-dewane-on-affordable-care-act-2017-01-18.cfm Thomas Aquinas, Rome's "Angelic Doctor", even rationalized theft in his Summa Theologica, providing one was in "need."
Catholicism is statist and totalitarian by nature, so "birds of a feather," so long as the Church gets its bit.
And one doesn't have to be Catholic to be influenced by her false doctrine. An Italian PM once said that while he was not a Catholic, he *thought* like one. Wow.
This Pope is proving to be a shock for many traditional Catholics, as he even opposes Catholic doctrine!!!
He is a liberation theologian, a Jesuit, a Marxist and a Universalist who sells out even his own bishops in China to the Communist authorities, and suppresses the truth about paedophile bishops (as he did in Chile), and even closed down the very people who bring these things to his attention.
How many professed evangelicals can do deals with this man is beyond me!!! I guess it is something called deception!!!
Doctrine? Lk8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. -- Jn8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free - Ps119:92 Unless thy law had beenmy delights, I should then have perished in mine affliction. -- 1Ti4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. - Jer6:10 To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the LORD is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it. - Ps119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth! - Acts20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. - Rom10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Ps119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. - ¬ŅThe Joshua son of NUN Doctrine ? Led into battle by the words of God
Heb 4:8 Jesus' rest from a fallen world? His kingdom comes!!