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FRONT PAGE  |  5/22/2018
MONDAY, FEB 5, 2018  |  52 comments
A sabbath rest from gadgets?
More than half (57 per cent) of US evangelical leaders say they take a sabbath from electronic communication devices, according to a survey by the National Association of Evangelicals.

“In the 1900s, we talked about the addiction to work and called for Christians to trust God and avoid becoming workaholics,” said Leith Anderson, president of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE). “In the 2000s we seldom hear about workaholics but know all about digitaholics. It’s time to trust God enough to look up to him more than down to a phone.”

John Stumbo, president of the Christian and Missionary Alliance, practices the Sabbath most weeks. “It is a day to renew and restore. One essential aspect of this weekly Sabbath is disengaging from electronic communication. Closing my laptop lid and choosing not to read emails on my phone are acts of discipline, but help break my addiction to technology, ...


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News Item2/8/18 6:28 PM
Brandon Nichols | Missoula, Montana  Find all comments by Brandon Nichols
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News Item2/8/18 10:20 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
penned wrote:
John UK, the foundations have been shifted with dispensationalism. in the meantime the Lord has raised up many who have written from the amill point of view, that is to say the yet, not yet teaching of Christ...
"the Kingdom is in you"
"ye are the temple"
so our lives are not our own, but to be shared with the brethren as a witness to a lost world...so that the Kingdom of God can be built for the King.
and we want to hear "well done faithful servant"
many amills are rising up to reveal now the fraud of Scofield, who was approached by the same lawyer who went on to bring us the 1913 FED... a group of bankers who reconfigured . There is no proof of his degree.... he abandoned his family and married another woman, was being approached by these zionists and somehow magically comes up with this "new exclusive" teaching and then somewhere was funding to get these bibles out free.
The church here was infiltrated by the political movement that would define the next generation.
They started with the church first.
and so a century later, when us traditional amills (the traditions of those who came on the Mayflower, who translated the KJV) speak of building the Kingdom, we are ignored...
aye aye...
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News Item2/7/18 1:20 PM
Lawrence Fine | Brooklyn, NY  Find all comments by Lawrence Fine
The demarcation of areas around a synagogue refers to 'eruv' and the violations of carrying things, and doing construction like opening an umbrella, which is similar to building a tent.
Anyone who wants to keep the Sabbath properly better consult their local Orthodox Jewish synagogue to see how they do it.
Otherwise, it's like someone said before, to say that you mostly not use electronic gadgets on the Sabbath is as comforting to any husband who says, 'My wife is mostly faithful to me'
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News Item2/7/18 12:00 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Kev wrote:
None of my comment was directed at you John it was a general comment.
Oh, okay.
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News Item2/7/18 11:53 AM
Kev | US  Find all comments by Kev
None of my comment was directed at you John it was a general comment. I actually don’t believe you fall under what those verses, saying you are accursed. But some are. Wouldn’t you agree? I do believe you are mistaken about the Sabbath and you should be fully convinced in your own mind what you do that is between you and God:

Romans 14:5-6

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

If you want to esteem one day above another that’s fine. I just wanted to show what the Bible says about the Sabbath which the body is of Christ.

And this topic has nothing to do with me going to Church on the Lord’s day I faithfully attend out of wanting to praise God and have fellowship with my brethren.

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News Item2/7/18 11:36 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Kev, please observe:

Galatians 3:10-14 KJV
(10)  For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
(11)  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
(12)  And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
(13)  Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
(14)  That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

It is very simple teaching, yes?

We are not justified by law-keeping but by faith in Jesus Christ.

Now please tell me, Kev, WHO is saying on this thread that we are to be justified by law-keeping? Hmmmmmmm?

Maybe this time around you will get it.

I will pray that you get it, bro.

p.s. I am so well aware of my sins, even since conversion, that it would be impossible, impossible, for me to look to the law to be righteous with God. This is NOT the point I am making.

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News Item2/7/18 10:58 AM
Kev | US  Find all comments by Kev
I don’t know how this has to do with dispensationalism. Like you said the Kingdom of God is in you and Christ is seated at the throne of your heart penned.

Hey Chris I think the verses I listed makes it clear what bible says. it’s good to show what the Sabbath is so that some won’t go back to the Mosaic Law and tell them to keep the Sabbath.
What if keeping the Sabbath in the OT is a work of the Law?

Galatians 3:10

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

It’s best to just look to Christ! Who knows what the heart says inside, do we try to justify ourselfeves by the Law and don’t even know it? The Bible I believe sets the believer free so he can serve in the newness of the Spirit. We are like the bond man who has been let go but we say we love our Master and we want to serve Him. The verses I listed are not hard to understand they are very clear. I post this because I think it is an important topic to know what the “Liberty” is that is talked about in the Bible. It is being free from “the law of condemnation and death” and those who are LED by Spirit are free from the Law(Ministration of Death).

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News Item2/7/18 10:33 AM
penned  Find all comments by penned
John UK, the foundations have been shifted with dispensationalism. in the meantime the Lord has raised up many who have written from the amill point of view, that is to say the yet, not yet teaching of Christ...

"the Kingdom is in you"

"ye are the temple"

so our lives are not our own, but to be shared with the brethren as a witness to a lost world...so that the Kingdom of God can be built for the King.

and we want to hear "well done faithful servant"

many amills are rising up to reveal now the fraud of Scofield, who was approached by the same lawyer who went on to bring us the 1913 FED... a group of bankers who reconfigured . There is no proof of his degree.... he abandoned his family and married another woman, was being approached by these zionists and somehow magically comes up with this "new exclusive" teaching and then somewhere was funding to get these bibles out free.

The church here was infiltrated by the political movement that would define the next generation.

They started with the church first.

and so a century later, when us traditional amills (the traditions of those who came on the Mayflower, who translated the KJV) speak of building the Kingdom, we are ignored...

...I cannot understate how absolute this movement here is today and how far

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News Item2/7/18 7:54 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks Dr. Tim...you nailed it.
This topic aside, there have been several topics discussed over time that are fatalistic. A true concern over a person's soul, rather than trying to prove who's smarter, more studious, and spiritually mature, etc., warrants great patience, compassion, and a concern that should far outweigh the pride and anger that so often takes over.
Some of those who are right, in my view, are often in much worse shape, spiritually, than those who are wrong on whatever topic, because the pride is evident, and they're arguing for all the wrong reasons; arguing for self, rather than a true blue concern for the soul of those in error.
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News Item2/7/18 7:31 AM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
You're right, Chris. Sometimes it appears that Christians are more interested in winning arguments than in winning souls.
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News Item2/7/18 6:52 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
...in from the outside.
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News Item2/7/18 6:39 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Yeah, nobody asked for it, but I'll give my humble advice anyway, and it's pretty simple...I would steer way clear of this topic, on this forum anyway, being one of those that causes great anger and separates the saints. Like some others, not a one of you will convince the other, so as always, it'll be nothing but a cage fight. These conversations become very unbecoming and highly aggressive as one digs in while battling others who are also dug in, so what could be edifying if everyone just remained calm, taking their turns talking and listening, inevitably turns into nothing but a worldly street fight. Always remember...you never know who's peeking I'm from the outside,
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News Item2/7/18 5:30 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
As I've said before, if anyone disagrees with what I have posted, please quote me directly (not simply make claims) and then ask me your question (as "Just Curious" did) and all will be well.

Of course, I realise dispensationalism comes into all this, and some have a hatred for a-mills like myself. The best route in that case, to get into the TRUTH, is to watch the video entitled "Covenants and Dispensationalism" on the....

1689federalism.com website

In the meantime, I will continue to direct myself into loving God with all my heart, loving my fellow countrymen, always speaking the truth, seeking never to covet, not working seven days a week, not murdering anyone, and so on and so forth.

I can recommend this lifestyle to anyone. However, you will never achieve it until you are born again. Indeed, it is the new birth that puts these principles into you; it is a new heart and a new start. It is God who causes you to walk in his ways and takes away the rebellion. Then you will find rest of soul, and you will find that the yoke of Jesus is easy and the burden light. The man with the adamic nature will always find Christianity difficult, actually impossible.

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News Item2/7/18 4:39 AM
Hugh | Scotland UK  Find all comments by Hugh
Great comments also when debating many Scriptural disciplines a host of different opinions.
For me I side with Kev and Watcher.
Simple Legalism!
It's all about The Master , surely know one can disagree with that!!!!!
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News Item2/7/18 1:24 AM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
Ok, they're accursed, not idiots.
I'm not witnessing to those it was directed to, he knows who he is and he's been shown time and again, yet he sprouts a different Gospel, lying false prophet at best
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News Item2/6/18 10:11 PM
Watcher | North America  Find all comments by Watcher
Kev wrote:
Yup the people who don’t understand the picture of what the Sabbath was are usually the ones who don’t understand the rest Christ gives. You have a good night Bro
It's all about Him, isn't it? It's His work, His sacrifice, His death, His resurrection, His victory...etc. Even as you said, when He saves us, we enter into His rest. It's not something we do, but it's something He did and continually does.

May God keep you and yours bro.

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News Item2/6/18 9:40 PM
Kev | US  Find all comments by Kev
Watcher wrote:
It's the old tale, repackaged in many forms. It's called works. Man just cannot bring himself to accept that God is sovereign and he is not. Man will fight and strive to remain on the throne even if it means going to hell. Whether it be adhering to the Sabbath, tithing, using a particular version of the Bible, being members of a particular denomination...it all boils down to what can I do to please God and earn His favor.
Newsflash...NOTHING! Only the work of Christ gives us right-standing. Period.
You have a blessed night brother. Keep sharpening the sword.
Yup the people who don’t understand the picture of what the Sabbath was are usually the ones who don’t understand the rest Christ gives. You have a good night Bro
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News Item2/6/18 8:56 PM
Watcher | North America  Find all comments by Watcher
Kev wrote:
Hope you have been doing well Bro. It seems clear to me the Bible puts it pretty clearly of course there is the tradition of man which makes the word of God of no effect thought. You have a good day Bro.
It's the old tale, repackaged in many forms. It's called works. Man just cannot bring himself to accept that God is sovereign and he is not. Man will fight and strive to remain on the throne even if it means going to hell. Whether it be adhering to the Sabbath, tithing, using a particular version of the Bible, being members of a particular denomination...it all boils down to what can I do to please God and earn His favor.

Newsflash...NOTHING! Only the work of Christ gives us right-standing. Period.

You have a blessed night brother. Keep sharpening the sword.

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News Item2/6/18 8:31 PM
Kev | US  Find all comments by Kev
Watcher wrote:
Well said fellow soldier. (high-five)
Hope you have been doing well Bro. It seems clear to me the Bible puts it pretty clearly of course there is the tradition of man which makes the word of God of no effect thought. You have a good day Bro.
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News Item2/6/18 8:24 PM
Watcher | North America  Find all comments by Watcher
Kev wrote:
Is the Sabbath a shadow of Christ like Pentecost? What does the Bible say:
Colossians 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a SHADOW of things to come; BUT THE BODY IS OF CHRIST.
How is it a shadow?:
Hebrews 4
4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering INTO HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have BELIEVED DO ENETER INTO REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
So the Sabbath was a picture of the rest that was given by Christ and is entered into by faith!
Christ said?:
Matthew 11:28-29
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are...

Hey there Watcher
Well said fellow soldier. (high-five)
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