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FRONT PAGE  |  10/17/2019
WEDNESDAY, JAN 31, 2018  |  13 comments
To Keep Churches Safe, Government Gets Involved

Two months after the deadliest church shooting in American history, federal authorities are spearheading new efforts to help equip local faith leaders to prepare for the worst.

U.S. attorneys’ offices in Colorado, North Carolina and Massachusetts have been convening security workshops for houses of worship in the wake of the Nov. 5 shooting that left more than two dozen worshippers dead in Sutherland Springs, Texas.

The Colorado initiative builds on past efforts to reach faith leaders, while four regional events across Massachusetts this winter mark a new initiative in that state.

Though not a national campaign, the outreach reflects a Trump administration priority to get government more involved in anti-terrorism training for civil society, observers say. The faith-based sector is a priority because data show religious institutions are the most common terrorism targets in the U.S. ...


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News Item1/31/18 8:45 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
It would make more sense to delegate it to other men in the church who like the nursery workers would be different from service to service.
that would sound much better!

here's an example of the tech that pastors are going into (for fear of liability)....

http://www.bythebook.com/check-in-software/church-check-in/

"Do you want to use a bar code and scan them in? No problem."

"Want to identify folks by fingerprint? We can do that too!"

I"ve seen small churches where everyone knows each other take up ID'ing children with these bracelets.... should we barcode them? fingerprint families before the kids can go back with parents?

there's some wierd stuff out there.

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News Item1/31/18 6:03 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Adriel wrote:
""U.S. attorneys’ offices in Colorado, North Carolina and Massachusetts have been convening security workshops for houses of worship""
If God won't protect the churches then they need to make a deal with the fallen world.
Now what is really happening here?
You've got a good point, but I recommend a study of providential causation. Sometimes there is primary causation in which the Lord does something directly and the outcome is something completely unforeseen - a miracle. More often, though, the Lord works through secondary causes like first responders, doctors, etc. If the Apostle Paul tells us that the authority of specific government is God ordained for the purpose of providing a safe, quiet living situation in which we can worship the Lord without harassment, etc, then perhaps this is one way it can happen. Perhaps the Lord does keep churches safe right now through law enforcement action more than we realize?

Frankly, I don't trust the government as it has not proven to be an honest broker. Any decision by a church to work with the government for any purpose must be done prayerfully, with their eyes open, and ultimately for the purpose of making disciples which starts with sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

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News Item1/31/18 2:20 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
""U.S. attorneys’ offices in Colorado, North Carolina and Massachusetts have been convening security workshops for houses of worship""

If God won't protect the churches then they need to make a deal with the fallen world.

Now what is really happening here?

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News Item1/31/18 1:59 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
penned wrote:
"Since November, ushers have been locking all doors as soon as worship begins. A laptop in the pulpit enables Reid to see throughout the building and outside via 15 security cameras. If the doorbell rings during worship, Reid can see who’s there and alerts security if he spots a threat."
do we want to be surveilled at church?
lifewy has major investment in security measures including ID'ing children with computers so that parents cannot be reconnected with children without showing proof with an ID/bracelet, etc...
...surpassing the public schools in their surveillance methods...
are we all strangers and not a family?
is there no privacy?
His policy makes little sense as it would seem like a distraction from the sermon he is preaching, I would wonder how you could effectively preach with this setup.

It would make more sense to delegate it to other men in the church who like the nursery workers would be different from service to service.

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News Item1/31/18 11:51 AM
penned  Find all comments by penned
"Since November, ushers have been locking all doors as soon as worship begins. A laptop in the pulpit enables Reid to see throughout the building and outside via 15 security cameras. If the doorbell rings during worship, Reid can see who’s there and alerts security if he spots a threat."

do we want to be surveilled at church?

lifewy has major investment in security measures including ID'ing children with computers so that parents cannot be reconnected with children without showing proof with an ID/bracelet, etc...

...surpassing the public schools in their surveillance methods...

are we all strangers and not a family?

is there no privacy?

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News Item1/31/18 10:49 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
y'all need to stop reacting to the headlines.

from the article

"Response has been strong. More than 300 attendees turned out for a Jan. 11 event in Taunton, Mass., where representatives from federal, state and local agencies covered active shooter threats among other scenarios."

"The U.S. Attorney’s Office learned that houses of worship could benefit from a greater understanding about how to handle an active threat or public safety crises,” said U.S. Attorney Andrew E. Lelling in an email. “There was a need for education around how to develop contingency plans for emergencies and what to expect from law enforcement during emergencies.”

"Forging partnerships with law enforcement is often part of heightening vigilance, Kryshak said in an email, along with creating church security teams."

Our church sent a group to an active shooter seminar conducted by the local sheriff and is forming a security team. If there is a fire, we want the government fire department to come help put it out, if there is a shooting we want law enforcement there to help.

This is not government intrusion into the church.

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News Item1/31/18 10:26 AM
penned  Find all comments by penned
are we talking about state incorporations calling themselves churches now using surveillance?

coming to church no longer a private matter or that one excercising their freedom of association?

slippery slope.

now working with local officials to talk about emergencies, protecting the flock, another conversation.

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News Item1/31/18 9:59 AM
JHS | GA  Contact via emailFind all comments by JHS
Government intrusion is unwanted and unnecessary for the protection of Christian Churches. My guess is, most churches could do this well and without spending one cent of tax payers dollars.
However, on the judicial side of things, it would be very good for the State to prosecute those doing harm to Christians, especially in worship services with a strict and quick justice.
Establishing a precedent that this kind of crime will in no way be tolerated. The State does have a vested interest, wether they know it or not, in the thriving of Christian doctrine and practice.
The State does have a God given duty to protect the free exercise of Christian worship. Frankly, Protestants have replaced their older and more biblical understanding of Church and State with a modern and highly misleading one of “total separation of” Church and State. The answer, as I understand it, is the same here as it is in so many other questions springing up in the Social arena today; that is the keeping the Three spheres of divine government ‘distinct’ BUT ‘related’ and all under the headship of King Jesus.

Note: See Westminster Confession of Faith chapters 23 and 31.

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News Item1/31/18 9:06 AM
Chase | Queen Creek, AZ  Find all comments by Chase
Ummmm no thanks!
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News Item1/31/18 7:29 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
That is unconstitutional.
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News Item1/31/18 6:07 AM
Ignominious Emirakan | Big gov dangers  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Example of Leviathan's nose in tent

tinysa.com/sermon/13118152200

Check Swanson today on Big Gov

"Turpin family “home school of horrors” story has
grown legs and made major ground. California
legislators are on the war path to regulate
homeschooling, however anecdotal exceptional cases
make for bad law. We also look at the skyrocketing
increase of sexual abuse in American public schools.
In fact, public school students are at least 3 times
more likely to be abused than home school students,
according to the recent Gen 2 survey. "

Analogy
Home inspection of Muslem homes to preclude terror training or abuse??
No
Innocent until proven guilty.

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News Item1/31/18 5:47 AM
US Government | Washington DC  Find all comments by US Government
Lol
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News Item1/31/18 5:30 AM
Ignominious Emirakan | Nine terror words  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
"I'm from the government & I'm here to help "

"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." - Ronald Reagan

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