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FRONT PAGE  |  6/17/2019
TUESDAY, JAN 30, 2018  |  12 comments
How should churches handle sexual sins from 20 years ago?

None deny Andy Savage disqualified himself from ministry. He and WPBC conceded as much when he resigned. But later the leadership of Highpoint Church declared him qualified. Some Christians acknowledge Jesus restored Savage as a man but claim him forever disqualified from office. After all, the Scriptures require an elder to possess character “above reproach.” But 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1 address a prospective elder as he is now, not as he was 20 years ago. Is the man now above reproach? Peter’s restoration demonstrates that a man who committed gross sin can resume public office within the church. If Paul intended to disqualify any man who was ever reproachable, then he disqualified himself and many Christian leaders since.

Savage was not self-righteous: He confessed. If he were reinstated to office three weeks after sinning, the story would be very different. But by all accounts Highpoint Church ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I would directly point out, why does one have to go with a tree that has provided bad fruit when there are so many around that have shown that they have consistently provided good? I would suggest some of the following reasons for that.

Dr. James Emery White wrote:
What is a cult of personality?

It’s when a person becomes the center of attention rather than Christ; an individual looms larger than a mission; a figure is given more status than the organization itself.

... consider the following ten signs, in no particular order, of a cult of personality at work in a local church:....

--[URL=http://tinyurl.com/y6wccgv2]]]http://tinyurl.com/y6wccgv2 (The Cult of Personality)[/URL]
Just avoid churches like the above.

Most charities are subject to some level of transparency, but not churches. That leaves it up to the members to demand transparency. If you meet resistance from the leadership, maybe you might consider that rather than a sheep who is being fed, you are one that is being shorn.[/QUOTE]--[URL=http://tinyurl.com/y8hly44o]]] http://tinyurl.com/y8hly44o (Court Rules Churches Can Continue To Conceal Financial Information)[/URL]

A problem of greed?

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News Item1/31/18 3:28 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Yes, J for J, Dr. Rugh has a very good article on Divorce, [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/DIVOT.HTM]]]http://tinyurl.com/nqo6nj (Divorce on Trial)[/URL]. It is an HTML format which makes it easy to read too.

The SA article points out Peter, Paul, Etc. It fails to point out that none of these man suffer from moral turpitude. In other words, they didn't have complaints about them for sexual indiscretion. If a man has such a past, he would at least have to have a woman or someone with him every time he gave pastoral advice to a woman Etc. In his study present when he did so. It is much easier to find a person to fill the role of pastor that doesn't have this millstone around his neck in the first place! The pay is so great for mega-churches, especially, that there are plenty of people clamoring for the job of pastor. There should be plenty of good ones to pick from, without the history of moral turpitude.

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News Item1/31/18 3:26 AM
Connor7  Find all comments by Connor7
Hey Wayfarer, sorry to hear that churches wouldn't take you in as a member, I don't see anything theological reason for that.
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News Item1/30/18 10:49 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
I was thinking that to Jim. There's only one I can think of and that is the Catholic Church.

It should be easy enough to find a church that will allow a person to be a member after they've been divorced. What some people can't handle is sometimes they won't let the person be an elder or pastor.

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News Item1/30/18 5:05 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Wayfairer Pilgrim, I would be surprised if a church wouldn't allow somebody into its membership who was divorced and remarried in the past and is now a Christian.
Dr. Rugh wrote:
What you have done in the past is the past. Sin is sin, and we praise God for forgiveness. This sin is no more unforgivable than any other sin. So I think we need to be careful with the stigma we sometimes place on it. If you are in this kind of situation, that is where you are. What you did may have been wrong. You may think, Maybe that is why this one is not working out. God is not honoring it. This is our third marriage, and maybe we ought to divorce. No. God picks you up where you are. He recognizes the marriage relationship you are in now as binding. And so you go on from here. The past is forgiven; praise God, it is past. It is just as forgiven as any other sin—covetousness, lying, stealing or anger; it is under the blood and forgiven. So God picks you up where you are....
--[URL=http://tinyurl.com/nqo6nj]]]http://tinyurl.com/nqo6nj (Divorce on Trial)[/URL]
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News Item1/30/18 5:05 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The above is an excellent commentary on divorce. However I would say being forgiven of one's sins. Doesn't make a person qualified to retake his former position.

Let's make a hypothetical example of Dr. Rugh He has never been divorced But if he had and even if it been many years ago, he could not be in the pulpit no matter how good a pulpiteer he is! This is because while his sin would be forgiven, he would now lack the qualification to being a pastor--that of being able to hold the respect of his congregation and the community. Trust has to be earned, and for some positions if that trust is called into question then that person lacks a qualification for that position.

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News Item1/30/18 3:12 PM
Steve Doring | Tampa, FL  Find all comments by Steve Doring
How about financial misdeeds like embezzling? Would we want that guy to be on the Finance Committee or be the Church Treasurer? I'm sure churches today are running full police identity checks on all the people who are chosen to volunteer for one of these tasks.
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News Item1/30/18 3:07 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
""How should churches handle sexual sins from 20 years ago?""

The same way that it handles all sins.

Everybody sat in the pews are sinners.
Then there are those sinners who dare to stand in pulpits.

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News Item1/30/18 10:10 AM
The article does not  Find all comments by The article does not
state that rape was committed , read the article before making a comment is always a good idea
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News Item1/30/18 9:50 AM
penned  Find all comments by penned
since when do churches not call for prosecution of rapists!?!?

cultural marxism makes the criminal the victim and the victim needs to just put a smile on.

unjust times.

how does a church member deal with a pastor who gives a sermon standing with a man who raped a youth member 20 years before with the intent of you dismissing the crime that would have gotten the death penalty in the OT?

evil!

noe of these degenerates have a legitimate place to be debating what a church does nor not.

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News Item1/30/18 9:26 AM
Wayfarer Pilgrim | Lubbock,tx  Find all comments by Wayfarer Pilgrim
The article is well balanced. But, if we were disqualified by sin, then addressed and thought we reconciled from the Christian perspective, would Peter be responsible for his sin after he was asked by the risen Savior to feed his sheep?

I’m divorced and remarried, and had no idea that my remarriage would disqualify me from fellowship from many churches as a member. It disqualified me from being a deacon or in a position of leadership but, I didn’t know we’d be excluded from church membership. That’s what I was told, your remarriage, in a sister church, will disqualify you and your wife from our qualifying membership. So, at what point do Christians look upon sin and ask themselves, what doesn’t the blood of Jesus not cover?

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News Item1/30/18 2:37 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
It seems that this man left a position that he proved himself too many others that he wouldn't be qualified to have because of behavior not befitting an elder, Apparently, he soon got a job in a field that he shouldn't have
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