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SUNDAY, JAN 14, 2018  |  22 comments
Moody Bible President, COO Resign Amid Controversy, Provost Retires

The president and chief operating officer of Moody Bible Institute have resigned amid controversy over the theological direction of the institution and allegations of shady administration practices, the school announced Wednesday. One of the school's provosts will also be retiring.

In an email sent to the Moody community Wednesday evening — that sources forwarded to The Christian Post — Randy Fairfax, the chair of the Moody Board of Trustees, wrote that they had "been discussing issues related to widespread concerns over the direction of Moody" and "accepted the resignations of President, Paul Nyquist; Chief Operating Officer, Steve Mogck; and the retirement of Provost, Junias Venugopal." ...


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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
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penned wrote:
"The pretrib rapture is a Catholic doctrine"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5V8X5nGPA0
I watched the first ten minutes, Penny. Very, very interesting. I take it the Baptists he was talking about were the IFB style Baptists, of which we have little experience in this country.
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"If He isn't Lord of all, He isn't Lord at all."
William P. Grady, - Final Authority
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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
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penned wrote:
yes, its quite the big one. now you might remember that there was a gentleman named Arthur W Pink who came to study with this new big name evangelist named DL Moody.
And what he encountered was the development of dispensationalism, which I believe has its origins with the antiCHristian zionists who were making their plans well before the world wars.
new york and london comes up a lot.
so we had mormonism coming up at same time and guess what antiChristjoseph smith had his own "bible translation", and what was his focus...? romans 11
at the time our churches were postmillenialists, the era of
Hi Penny, I just looked at a short article about this on a site called faithalone concerning Arthur Pink. It says that Pink was initially a dispensationalist who also believed in Free Grace. But that when he abandoned dispensationalism, he also abandoned Free Grace in favour of a more Lordship Salvation type of soteriology. I find that a bit puzzling.

Now please note, anyone else reading this, that I was above quoting AN ARTICLE I read on the faithalone website, and cannot substantiate it or not. Thank you.

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dl moody got his dispensationalism from darby and the plymouth brethren.

but interestingly, these millenial groups were peculiar to the US during that era as seen here....

https://www.scribd.com/document/268063918/Preparing-for-Chrits-Millennial-Government

"Joseph Smith announced that God had, 'set his hand again the second time' to gather and establish Israel"

the Kingdom concept that we saw among the Matthew Henry postmills was replaced by the zionists who saught to build the earthly kingdom to initiate the Lord's return.

they lost the Kingdom ethic of the historical church because they created a new hermeneutic.

that is to say that they would read into the text a certain way. and as I said (I lack proof momentarily until I can find it again), John Macarthur said something to the effect that he comes to the scripture assuming there are two peoples of God.

"no longer Jew or Greek"

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Darby "The Jewish nation is never to enter the Church."

AW Pink was so disturbed upon visiting Moody that he wrote a book about dispensationalism that is still available today.

Not to say that the fiction novels haven't led some to the Lord for the fervor of Christ, but we've emptied ourselves of the full teachings of the Kingdom, and instead raised up the talmudist

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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
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Dr. Tim wrote:
They do, however, believe in perkatory, that long period of anguish while you wait for coffee to brew.
Dr I do wish you'd stop making I larf, it is really quite dangerous for me.

However, I would like to go out tracting with you, as I only have tracts with KJV texts. You can give out your Left Behind tracts and I will give out my End of The World tracts. And if we get any converts or seekers, they can come to my Drop-In meeting and watch the Gospel Of John film (which is also in KJV). Coffee will have to be instant as I don't have a Perkatulator.

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Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
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They do, however, believe in perkatory, that long period of anguish while you wait for coffee to brew.
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Do the research sister, Catholics don't believe in a pretrib Rapture

http://www.uscatholic.org/articles/201407/do-catholics-believe-rapture-29196

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Penned has for a very long time misrepresented (as she has in this thread, pretrib rapture can be traced back to centuries before the Catholic church existed) the pre-millenial position and disdained the believers who view things different than her. She has been repeatedly advised that the information she gets and disseminates is inaccurate but apparently that doesn't seem to matter to her.

She is a sweet lady but her version of premillianilism is totally distorted and at times seems rooted in bitterness and contempt.

http://www.ldolphin.org/premillhist.html

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John UK wrote:
Penny, you have studied this subject and researched it,
yes, its quite the big one. now you might remember that there was a gentleman named Arthur W Pink who came to study with this new big name evangelist named DL Moody.

And what he encountered was the development of dispensationalism, which I believe has its origins with the antiCHristian zionists who were making their plans well before the world wars.

new york and london comes up a lot.

so we had mormonism coming up at same time and guess what antiChristjoseph smith had his own "bible translation", and what was his focus...? romans 11

at the time our churches were postmillenialists, the era of

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TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic  Find all comments by TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic
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THE SATANIC~VATICAN DIDN'T CREATE THE HOLY BIBLICAL DOCTRINE OF THE PRETRIBULATION RAPTURE !

ONLY SATANIC~VATICANISTS, "JESUITS" & "JESUITIC" +++LIARS+++
SAY & TEACH THE VATICAN CREATED THE TRUE HOLY BIBLE DOCTRINE OF THE RAPTURE; ESPECIALLY,
THE PRETRIBULATION RAPTURE !

WHAT ELSE +++DO+++ YOU EXPECT FROM A "once great (KING JAMES VERSION ONLY USING) Bible college" WHEN IT APOSTACIZED--SINCE THE EARLY 1970s--GOING AWHORING AFTER THE SO-CALLED "MODERN" ENGLISH PER-VERSIONS BASED ON THE OLD-ARIAN +++CORRUPT+++ EGYPTIAN-/-ALEXANDRIAN-/-VATICAN[US] SINATICUS
CURSED-"NEW-TESTAMENT"-MANUSCRIPTS ?

DL MOODY WOULDN'T TOUCH THE OLD WESCOTT-/-HORT RSV-PERVERSION WITH A 1,000 FT. POLE & NEITHER WOULD R.A. TORREY & THE REST OF THE PRESIDENTS OF MOODY: ALL THE WAY DOWN TO GEORGE SWEETING--WHO TO THIS DAY, IN 2018, IS ALIVE & WELL -&- STILL REMAINS A TRUE +++KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE ONLY+++ BYZANTINE & TEXTUS-RECEPTUS MAN OF GOD TO THE DEATH !

I GET A KICK OUT OF THE "JESUITIC" +++LIARS+++ WHO POST ON THIS sa website & DESPERATELY PIMP, PROSTITUTE & PUSH
THE SATANIC~VATICAN &
HER LYING "JESUIT"-AMILLENIAL DOCTRINES OF DEVILS:

*WHO LIE LIKE SATAN:

TEACHING JESUS CHRIST'S TRUE-HOLY-BIBLE-CHURCH, BODY & BRIDE WILL GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION
WITH MYSTERY-MOTHER-SCARLET-HARLOT !

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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
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penned wrote:
I have thought a lot about this. and it certainly is a theological and spiritual issue. I will repost this....
https://world.wng.org/2013/10/not_bluffing
its an article about Jenkins, cowriter of the Left Behind series, Moody boardmember. He was going to Las Vegas for games.
meanwhile, Open Doors is sending in Christians risking their lives to encourage the brethren in Syria.
What a constrast!
The Lord will not be mocked!
"The pretrib rapture is a Catholic doctrine"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5V8X5nGPA0
the issue of the talmud and kabbal is inescapable for the dispensationalists. they are tied till they break away and only Christ can do this.
Penny, you have studied this subject and researched it, and I am only just beginning to see what it is you are saying.

Does Moody BI teach a pre-trib rapture? It begins to look that way, after reading that article. Left Behind sort of stuff.

If I'm getting your drift, you are saying that a faulty view of the endtimes produces a faulty sort of Christianity?

I don't know where talmud and kabbal come into this because I know nothing about them. But keep posting and I will pick it up slowly. Thank you.

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John UK wrote:
The older I get, the more I see the need to return to the instructions given by the Lord in scripture concerning the church.
I have thought a lot about this. and it certainly is a theological and spiritual issue. I will repost this....

https://world.wng.org/2013/10/not_bluffing

its an article about Jenkins, cowriter of the Left Behind series, Moody boardmember. He was going to Las Vegas for games.

meanwhile, Open Doors is sending in Christians risking their lives to encourage the brethren in Syria.

What a constrast!

The Lord will not be mocked!

"The pretrib rapture is a Catholic doctrine"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5V8X5nGPA0

the issue of the talmud and kabbal is inescapable for the dispensationalists. they are tied till they break away and only Christ can do this.

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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
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Christopher000 wrote:
Hi John, this explains the general issues:
https://churchleaders.com/news/317364-moody-bible-institute-facing-crisis-leadership.html
Thanks Christopher, and Penny also.

Once again, it is seen that "an institute", which is essentially a Para-Church organisation, has fallen foul of temptations and is on its way out.

The new testament blueprint (which is God's) shows the autonomy of the local assembly, with its local leaders (elders, ideally plural), and its local missionary training program, and God calling men specifically for certain tasks under the authority of their own local assembly, a good example of which would be the church in Antioch, from where Paul and Barnabas were launched out into the mission field, which ended up with the Lord calling them specifically by way of a vision in the night to enter Europe for the very first time, taking the glorious gospel of God's grace.

The older I get, the more I see the need to return to the instructions given by the Lord in scripture concerning the church. There must be thousands of para-church organisations in the world today, none of which really have biblical warrant.

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Thats what you get for being Moody!!!

Dictionary;
"Moody"
adjective,
1. given to gloomy, depressed, or sullen moods; ill-humored.
2. proceeding from or showing such a mood :
a moody silence.
3. expressing or exhibiting sharply varying moods; temperamental."

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Frank wrote:
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Since as most of you know, I lean towards being cynical, this article doesn’t surprise me in the least. Professional clergy or professors who are simply hirelings will “usually” protect their own interests at the expense of truth. Sad, but true.
Thanks for the link Chris!
Chris G P from England.
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“For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God” (Acts 20:27).

He didn’t weigh his message by practical considerations, as to whether it would offend someone he wanted to impress or close doors of ministry or reduce the size of his crowd.

Paul even solemnly commissioned Timothy to keep the New Testament commandments “without spot,” which refers to “small” things (1 Timothy 6:13-14).

Paul said that it is required in stewards that a man be found faithful (1 Co. 4:2)

https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/wicked-stinking-pastoral-pragmatism.php

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine” 2Timothy 4:2

David Cloud cynical also in contrast of Paul
Vs pragmatism professionalPastor hirelings

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Excellent comment Chris GP and bro. Frank. The problems within schools like this aren't necessarily due to a dispensational view, rather, it is a departure from biblical truth.
There are good pastors who hold to a pre-mil view as well as the doctrines of grace, Jim McClarty comes to mind. I might not agree with all that he says, but I do believe he truly is a man of God and preaches, for the most part, accurately.
There are those who exalt the social gospel above all else, David Platt comes to mind. And there are those who preach 'another gospel', which is opposite of the true gospel - the Grahams come to mind. These types of hirelings are the reason we see such spiritual decline all around us. Biblical correction and separation are not practiced by many who name Christ. Fear of losing their 'jobs' as pastors is why many look the other way.
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Years ago, I read a book on the rapture. The author stated either in the book or elsewhere that after reading his book, he got lots of phone calls that stated the readers could no longer support pre-tribulation rapture. The fellow had sent notes to clergy and professors prior to publishing his book. When asked whether or not they would publicly change their positions, they said they couldn’t do that because they would lose their jobs as pastors or professors. If I’m not mistaken, professors at Moody were noted.

Since as most of you know, I lean towards being cynical, this article doesn’t surprise me in the least. Professional clergy or professors who are simply hirelings will “usually” protect their own interests at the expense of truth. Sad, but true.

Thanks for the link Chris!

Chris G P from England.

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Chris G P from England | England  Find all comments by Chris G P from England
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One further possibility for the decline of this once great Bible School, could also be that it has become more open in recent years to things such as "spiritual direction", "contemplative prayer", "spiritual disciplines", and so on.

Like many other of the famous Bible Colleges and evangelical seminaries in the United States and elsewhere, these rather unbiblical practices have seeped in, and detract from the clear teaching and practical exposition of the Bible, which should be our sole source of doctrine and Christian life.

Thus combined with the increasing emphasis on the social gospel and an increasing unwillingness to be "politically incorrect", and even a fear of standing forthrightly for Biblical principles, has, I fear, undermined many a seminary and Bible college, and ruined its distinctive witness of the real Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, and of the Bible.

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Christopher000 wrote:
Hi John, this explains the general issues:
https://churchleaders.com/news/317364-moody-bible-institute-facing-crisis-leadership.html
"The problems at the 132-year-old school are wide-ranging and include falling student enrollment numbers, a climate of fear and intimidation on campus, where whistleblowers were said to have been silenced, a liberal theological drift, unprofessionalism by professors in the classroom, widespread layoffs, questionable loans to school trustees and officials and now the firing of a popular Moody Radio Network host who criticized the school."

Other than that, things are hunky dory.

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John UK, there is a blog called broken twig where a lady on staff has brought out issues(was fired) I have read through them and I don't think you are going to get easy answers. There was concerns about the million dollar condo and who owned it, and they seemingly allowed a cultural marxist in charge of their urban ministries...doing the white male bashing, social justice stuff that I talk about here daily. Nyquist, with his millenial son had written a book about the post Christian culture and many had felt it was leaning toward this new direction... course I'll leave this up to the gentlemen involved.... i think there's pressure there to keep reform theology under wraps and many had stopped playing moody radio because they were going liberal and leaving "their roots"

now the left behind author jenkins is on their board, you can imaginne the domination of the pretribbers...

worldmag.com published an article a few years back about jenkins "gambling". I'll try to find it.

you know they made big money on those books and these needs to be dealt with head on because the talmud has the blueprint for the NWO.

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