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FRONT PAGE  |  7/19/2019
THURSDAY, DEC 14, 2017  |  54 comments  |  2 commentaries
Is Christmas a Religious Holiday? A Growing Number of Americans Say No

Combatants in the annual “War on Christmas” have some new data to chew on, thanks to a survey released this week by the Pew Research Center.

While many doubt that Christmas is embattled, as some conservative pundits contend, the new study does suggest American attitudes are changing.

The Pew study, based on interviews conducted in recent weeks with 1,503 adults, found that while a vast majority of Americans still celebrate Christmas, most find the religious elements of the holiday are emphasized less than in the past — and few of them care about that change. ...


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News Item12/26/17 11:43 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Dr. Tim wrote:
And I'm guessing you're betting on the Baptist way to get you into heaven because they have four aces, but just to be on the safe side, you're also betting on Catholicism because you think they just might have a straight flush. Gambling with the devil. Guess who wins?
False. I am not relying on Catholicism for salvation. I only rely on the Baptist way of salvation by relying on Jesus alone for salvation.
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News Item12/21/17 2:47 PM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
And I'm guessing you're betting on the Baptist way to get you into heaven because they have four aces, but just to be on the safe side, you're also betting on Catholicism because you think they just might have a straight flush. Gambling with the devil. Guess who wins?
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News Item12/21/17 12:01 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Dr. Tim wrote:
John Yurich, either you posted the following, or someone else did it under your name: "There is a married couple who attend and are members of my Baptist Church and they also attend and are members of the local Catholic parish. Pastor knows that and he has not told them to cease attending Mass because the church covenant does not prohibit members from attending another church in addition to attending the Baptist Church." You're more full of beans than a Bush's cannery.
I was only guessing that Pastor knows that the married couple attend and are members of both the Baptist Church and the local Catholic parish.
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News Item12/20/17 4:19 PM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
John Yurich, either you posted the following, or someone else did it under your name: "There is a married couple who attend and are members of my Baptist Church and they also attend and are members of the local Catholic parish. Pastor knows that and he has not told them to cease attending Mass because the church covenant does not prohibit members from attending another church in addition to attending the Baptist Church." You're more full of beans than a Bush's cannery.
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News Item12/20/17 2:40 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Dr. Tim wrote:
Then you're a liar, John. You said he knew.
I have never stated that my Baptist Pastor knew that the married couple also attends and are members of the local Catholic parish. But my Pastor has a problem with the Catholic Church and with the Mass because he stated so in Adult Bible Fellowship one time.
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News Item12/20/17 2:35 PM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Then you're a liar, John. You said he knew.
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News Item12/20/17 2:21 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Dr. Tim wrote:
JY, if your so-called pastor knowingly allows people to be members of his church and simultaneously be members of the Great Whore, he isn't a pastor at all, but a spineless hireling.
Shut up with your denigrating my Baptist Pastor who preaches the biblical Gospel of salvation every Sunday in his sermon. So he is not a hireling. My Baptist Pastor has stated several times in Adult Bible Fellowship before worship that he has a problem with the Catholic Church and has a problem with the Mass. I do not know for certain if my Baptist Pastor is cognizant of the fact that the married couple attend and are members of both my Baptist Church and the local Catholic parish.
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News Item12/20/17 2:03 PM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
JY, if your so-called pastor knowingly allows people to be members of his church and simultaneously be members of the Great Whore, he isn't a pastor at all, but a spineless hireling.
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News Item12/20/17 11:42 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Christopher000 wrote:
I can understand those who just don't have the proper knowledge yet, e.g., new Christians, etc., but anyone with even a little knowledge of who they are and what they teach would run. John, it often seems that you use what others do and say as examples and the means for justifying why you remain within such a system..."This person does this or that, so it must be ok". I have to return to what I've said previously, and that is this: Besides it being none of his business as you've said many times, there's a very specific reason why you've hidden your allegiance to Rome from your Pastor and church. I believe that reason is because you know how wrong it is for someone who claims to be Born again to continue on within a system of religion which openly and proudly defys God in so many spiritually fatalistic ways.
There is a married couple who attend and are members of my Baptist Church and they also attend and are members of the local Catholic parish. Pastor knows that and he has not told them to cease attending Mass because the church covenant does not prohibit members from attending another church in addition to attending the Baptist Church. Pastor has a problem with the Catholic Church.
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News Item12/19/17 10:29 PM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
More attention has been lavished on John Yurich than some countries have received from Christians. "The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise." (Proverbs 12:15). JY, being a Catholic isn't your problem. Being a fool is your problem. If you study the Book of Proverbs, you will find that you meet every qualification of a fool, and not one for a wise man. But you won't study it. Fools hate exposure to wisdom like cockroaches hate having the lights turned on.
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News Item12/19/17 5:07 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
MS writes:
"Those of us who are saved and kept by the Author and Finisher of our faith wouldn't be caught dead or alive in a Roman Catholic brothel viewing or partaking in a satanic mass."

Ditto. I can understand those who just don't have the proper knowledge yet, e.g., new Christians, etc., but anyone with even a little knowledge of who they are and what they teach would run.
John, it often seems that you use what others do and say as examples and the means for justifying why you remain within such a system..."This person does this or that, so it must be ok". I have to return to what I've said previously, and that is this: Besides it being none of his business as you've said many times, there's a very specific reason why you've hidden your allegiance to Rome from your Pastor and church. I believe that reason is because you know how wrong it is for someone who claims to be Born again to continue on within a system of religion which openly and proudly defys God in so many spiritually fatalistic ways.

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News Item12/19/17 4:13 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Those of us who are saved and kept by the Author and Finisher of our faith wouldn't be caught dead or alive in a Roman Catholic brothel viewing or partaking in a satanic mass..
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News Item12/19/17 3:47 PM
Lawrence Fine | Elysium Fields  Find all comments by Lawrence Fine
Now this is an article we can really get into--since many here do not even want to hear the word Christmas at all!
In today's newspaper I saw a letter to the editor about how the writer could see the religious connection, but that Christmas had a secular meaning for him, a time for giving gifts, decorating your house (note the ABC program on competing house decorations), going to parties, meeting up with family and friends you hadn't seen in a long time. When someone said "Merry Christmas" to him, he did not take it to mean they were trying to evangelize him.
And, on the last poster's comment about Baptists attending Catholic churches, I have a friend who went to the Christmas concert at a local Catholic church, gave me the program, and none of the 18 songs had anything to do with Santa Claus, reindeer, wassailing, misteltoe, chestnuts roasting on an open fire, snow men, penguins (none at the North Pole anyway).
But I didn't see listed the "Mary Did You Know" song that many use to persuade Catholics to quit their religion.
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News Item12/19/17 3:24 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Not according to what God has said about such chicanery found in the RCC
Proverbs 6
16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
I have a guy friend who is a Baptist and he has sat in on Mass from time to time when he has gone to weddings and funerals in the Catholic Church. And there is a married couple who attend and are members of my Baptist Church and they also attend and are members of the local Catholic parish.
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News Item12/19/17 3:11 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John Yurich USA wrote:
Hypothetically I think that Jesus would have sat in on a Mass. There are Baptist Pastors that I am sure have sat in on a Mass.
Not according to what God has said about such chicanery found in the RCC

Proverbs 6
16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

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News Item12/19/17 1:55 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Christopher000 wrote:
Hey John, Hypothetically...while Jesus walked this earth, do you think He would have sat in on a mass, if the mass existed then, if He decided to choose a church to visit one fine morning?
Hypothetically I think that Jesus would have sat in on a Mass. There are Baptist Pastors that I am sure have sat in on a Mass.
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News Item12/19/17 1:41 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hey John, Hypothetically...while Jesus walked this earth, do you think He would have sat in on a mass, if the mass existed then, if He decided to choose a church to visit one fine morning?
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News Item12/19/17 11:24 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Dr. Tim wrote:
John Yurich, you just go right ahead and do your own thing; we all know you're going to anyway. But just remember, Judas Iscariot did his own thing, and when he got through he went to his own place. The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason. (Proverbs 26:16)
There is nothing in the church covenant of that Baptist Church I attend that states that members of that Baptist Church are not permitted to also attend another church. So there.
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News Item12/18/17 7:09 PM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
John Yurich, you just go right ahead and do your own thing; we all know you're going to anyway. But just remember, Judas Iscariot did his own thing, and when he got through he went to his own place. The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason. (Proverbs 26:16)
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News Item12/18/17 12:52 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Christopher, Look up the post by Observer from 12/15/17 at 3:29 PM where Observer stated in the last sentence "And finally, since you have maintained all these years that membership is not necessary what gives with this change of heart?". Observer seems to imply that I now believe that church membership is necessary for salvation. That is why I stated that I still maintain that church membership is not necessary for salvation and entering Heaven.

Tim, I will not be subject to excommunication from the Catholic Church after I become a member of that Baptist Church because the local Catholic parish will never find out that I am a member of that Baptist Church. And there is nothing in the church covenant of that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings about not attending another church in addition to attending that Baptist Church. There is a member of that Baptist Church that also attends another church.

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