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THURSDAY, DEC 7, 2017  |  32 comments
Canadian schools stop participation in Operation Christmas Child over homophobic policies
Schools in Newfoundland and Labrador will no longer be participating in a popular holiday charity.

District trustees voted at a public meeting on Nov. 25 to end any provincial school participation in the program after concerns were raised about the policies of Samaritan's Purse.

"This organization is on record with its statement of beliefs that it requires its co-ordinating volunteers to sign statements of faith that are in direct conflict with our inclusive philosophy, particularly as it pertains to the LGBT community," said director of education Tony Stack.

"For example, a child with two moms or two dads, unfortunately, has been put in the position of choosing between fitting in and partaking with other classmates in an activity, or supporting an organization opposed to the very existence of that very child's family unit." ...


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Kev | US  Find all comments by Kev
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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Have to scurry off to work.
The subject is too deep and complex, in my opinion, to cover in a forum with the character limit imposed. (not complaining about it, just acknowledging it is there)
You are much appreciated and your posts are enjoyed. Will have to just agree to disagree on what really amounts to interpretation of what the Scriptures teach. Thanks.
Thanks for pointing out what you believe I was in error about. I will study Romans 9 and ask the opinion of someone who has more knowledge then I do to see if I am in error. I appreciate your comments as well thanks bro.
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News Item12/11/17 2:12 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
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Have to scurry off to work.

The subject is too deep and complex, in my opinion, to cover in a forum with the character limit imposed. (not complaining about it, just acknowledging it is there)

You are much appreciated and your posts are enjoyed. Will have to just agree to disagree on what really amounts to interpretation of what the Scriptures teach. Thanks.

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News Item12/11/17 12:39 PM
Kev | US  Find all comments by Kev
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What does God have to do to harden a sinner but to give them up. The wickedness that befalls man is from his wicked heart this is the source. But God definetly gives some up to a reprobate mind taking away His restraining Grace. God shows mercy on whom He will show mercy by chastening some but not all. This is the clear doctrine of reprobation. God is the potter we are the clay. He is not the author of sin but we do know from such passages as in Job that God can keep the devil from touching His people and He can also have the devil try His people as well or anyone else for that matter. The Bible teaches that it is the arm of the Lord that upholds us and without Christ we can do nothing. I don’t think my thinking is off but thanks for pointing it out.

I think Romans 9 is clear on how God works in election and I believe it is the same for all people groups. I know God chose His people in Christ since before the foundation of the world and knows each one of His own and will call them out according to His great mercies and not based on anything within us.

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Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
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Kev, please don't try and read between the lines on my posts.

I don't deny the presence of spiritual Israel mentioned in the text I do say that it is a passage that is referring mainly to national Israel Paul refers again to national Israel at the beginning (he spoke of his Jewish heritage) and end of chapter ten and the beginning and throughout chapter eleven.

Kev, you seem to be putting forth the doctrine of double predestination. A system of belief based upon the man made doctrines of lapsarianism.

The passage is referring to God's working with the nation of Israel, it is not a proof text that God predetermined to condemn some, save others, and then decree their creation. Multiple passages show that all were condemned and that from that group of condemned God chose to save His remnant.

If I am misrepresenting what you are saying my apologies.

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Kev | US  Find all comments by Kev
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So you believe that God’s purpose in election is different for the Jews than the Gentiles and God operates in a whole different manner with His purpose according to Election for all the inhabitants of the earth?

Rom 9
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the PURPOSE OF GOD ACCORDING TO ELECTION might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

Does not the verse above explain that what comes after is how God works in election? Or is what comes after only how he treats Jews? I see Romans 9 is how God works in election and not just for Jews.

That is a great observation Observer thanks for that.

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News Item12/11/17 11:55 AM
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Unprofitable Servant wrote:
It is not a passage about God's dealings with the whole of humanity
Actually brother I have to disagree.

Having said that he could wish himself accursed from Christ for his brethren, his kinsmen according to the flesh (who were naturally Israelites), he moves on immediately to address which Israel he is concerned about - whether the spiritual or the natural - grace or race.

Look at verse 6 again - "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel" is the clue to the train of thought right the way from chapter 9 to 11. It is the Israel which is according to the election of grace that he is speaking of - in the early part those who are of the natural Israel and then he moves onto the gentiles and then in chapter 11 back to the one true Israel composed on Jews and Gentiles.

Just my 2 cents.

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News Item12/11/17 11:32 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
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Thanks for your response Kev I will let the Scriptures make my point

vs 1-4 Paul is specifically talking about Israelites

v 5 again the nation of Israel

v 6 Israel is mentioned

v7 seed of Abraham (Israel)

v 8 children of the flesh (referring to Israel) also seed refers to Israel

v9 Sara. the mother, so to speak, of the nation of Israel

v10-14 the choosing by God of the seed of Rebecca who would become the nation of Israel

v-15-27 still talking about Israel which he mentions by name in verses 24 and 27 (remember Paul has not left the topic with which he opened the chapter)

9:30 - 10:4 even when he brings up the Gentiles it is as a contrast to what the nation of Israel did He never got off the topic of the children of Israel even through chapter 11

It is not a passage about God's dealings with the whole of humanity

Look at Ephesians 2, the love that God showed us (never said anything about all) happened when?

v. 1 when were dead in trespasses and sins
v2 when we walked according to the course of this world, the devil, and were at the time children of disobedience
v3 by nature children of wrath
v 5 dead in sins
v11 in the flesh
v12 strangers, aliens, without Christ, without God, having no hope

Hope this answers your question

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Kev | US  Find all comments by Kev
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Hey there UPS hope all is well nice to see you posting.

How is Romans 9 for such a specific group of people when Paul is using analogies in the Bible to explain election? Are you saying Paul is wrong to use specific people in the Bible to demonstrate God’s purpose according to Election for all? Who is the specific people in Romans 9? In your hermeneutics is it the pot/vessel that fits itself for destruction? That would make the whole illustration not make sense. I’m pretty sure the way I am reading it is correct. We might not like the implications of what it says though. He is the potter and we are the clay. The illustration is clear. Does Romans 9 say that God makes Vessels unto dishonor? Yes it does.

The verse you used says that God loves some while they were yet sinners, but this love is toward ‘US’ in that verse not all. This can be seen also in this verse.

Jeremiah 31:3

3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: THEREFORE with lovingkindness have I DRAWN THEE.

I’m not sure what you are saying that the verse you gave says, you need to elaborate.

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Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
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Kev, a lot of wisdom in ladybug's post, we were all vessels of wrath fitted for destruction on the broad path. It is only the mercy of God and the regenerating life given by the Holy Spirit that changed us from those who had no hope, strangers to the covenants and promise, without God, standing in condemnation under His wrath, to those who are delivered (praise God)from the power of darkness and translated into the kingdom of His dear Son.

Ephesians 2:4-7 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus

Hallelujah, praise His worthy name for His undeserved mercy!!!

Your own hermeneutic (the passage in Romans 9 is about a very specific group of people) is in question, be careful not to cast stones at others for not seeing things your way.

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Ivan Karamazov wrote:
So you are telling me god created people to be damned? Hmm...that's nice
Romans 9:17-21

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonor?

The Bible answers your questions. God will have mercy on whom he will have mercy.

Making up your own God that is not the God of the Bible is idolatry.

Maybe you would have God’s ways be your ways Ivan? Never a verse of scripture out of you Ivan.

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Sinners damn themselves. If God passes over some and leaves them in their hardness of heart, it is of no fault of God.

Do you think any sinner deserves to be saved, or that God owes sinners anything?

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Ivan Karamazov | Texas  Find all comments by Ivan Karamazov
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So you are telling me god created people to be damned? Hmm...that's nice
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Kev | US  Find all comments by Kev
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Dr. Tim wrote:
Honest question Kev: does the verse say the men were foreordained to sin, or only that the penalty for their sin was predetermined?
Look at another verse that talks about the same subject but on the other end of the spectrum Tim.

Ephesians 2:10

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus UNTO GOODWORKS, which God hath BEFORE ORDAINED that we should WALK IN THEM.

Read it carefully Tim

Jude 4
4 For there are CERTAIN MEN crept in unawares, who were BEFORE of OLD ORDAINED to THIS CONDEMNATION, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into LASCIVIOUSNESS, and denying the ONLY LORD God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Look at the wording CERTAIN MEN. That is not any old person but certain men. Also not the certain men were ordained to a specific condemnation marked by the words "this condemnation." so you have certain men to a specific condemnation. Now read the rest honestly and see what you think it says. Since you asked honestly, I hope you try to at least see what I’m saying.

Did God raise up Pharaoh for a certain condemnation? God said he did in Romans so this is not something new God does.

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Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
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Honest question Kev: does the verse say the men were foreordained to sin, or only that the penalty for their sin was predetermined?
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Kev | US  Find all comments by Kev
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Dr. Tim wrote:
The Grahams were predestined to be pope huggers. Please hand me the yellow Play Doh.
I will address the pope but not the other as a said I wouldn't

But the popes selling indulgences surely is a fulfilment of this verse:

Jude 4

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were BEFORE of OLD ORDAINED to THIS CONDEMNATION, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into LASCIVIOUSNESS, and denying the ONLY LORD God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

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News Item12/8/17 2:58 PM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
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The Grahams were predestined to be pope huggers. Please hand me the yellow Play Doh.
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Ivan Karamazov wrote:
But hey don't blame me for what I say, it was preordained..... I'm just being faithful to my election
I looked through pages of your comments Ivan to try to find one verse of Scripture to no avail.

I would like you to make one statement about election you don't agree with and see if you believe what the bible actually says. Your comment above shows you have no understanding of what the bible says on the matter of election or on the sovereignty of God.

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But hey don't blame me for what I say, it was preordained..... I'm just being faithful to my election
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And in another post I will watch you all blast the Grahams for be ecumenical and in live with the pope, but I guess trinkets for tots is ok cause it makes you feel good right?
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Many times fundraisers will use a chart that looks like a thermometer to indicate progress toward the goal. Maybe Catholic crime outlets should put up a Purgometer to chart how close Uncle Bubba is to finishing his sentence in hell.
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