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THURSDAY, DEC 7, 2017  |  10 comments
Evangelical vs. Born Again: A Survey of What Americans Say and Believe Beyond Politics
For all the handwringing over what the term evangelical means in the political moment of Donald Trump and Roy Moore, only 1 in 100 Americans would take on the term if it had nothing to do with politics.

Meanwhile, the label is primarily a political identity for only about 1 in 10 self-identified evangelicals.

Overall, 1 in 4 Americans today consider themselves to be evangelicals. But less than half actually hold evangelical beliefs.

And when defined by beliefs and not by identity, evangelicals are less white (58% vs. 70%), more black (23% vs. 14%), and more likely to worship weekly (73% vs. 61%). However, they are not more likely to be Republican or Democrat. ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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Julie Zauzmer and Sarah Pulliam Bailey wrote:
Emmett Price, a professor who focuses on African American studies at the prominent evangelical seminary Gordon-Conwell in Massachusetts, said he worries that white Christians who are abandoning the term are only looking to avoid the negative associations, not to reform their communities. If they’re concerned that politics have tarred evangelicals as racist, he said, they ought to be focused on making evangelical churches less racist — not on calling themselves something else.
--After Trump and Moore, some evangelicals are finding their own label too toxic to use
IE, these ladies must have read your comment because they made some of the statements that you did. Apparently some people at the Washington Post read the Pew research articles also.👍
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News Item12/12/17 1:20 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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Randall Balmer wrote:
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Many of the slippery slope scenarios I heard applied to behavior. A sip of beer would lead to wine, then the hard stuff and, inevitably, to a life of debauchery. A trip to the movie theater would lead to a pornography addiction. Playing poker with friends would lead to a gambling addiction. Slippery slope. Dancing, of course, placed you on the fast track to sexual intercourse.

I left the evangelical subculture, more or less, at the end of the 1970s. Little did I know that evangelicals were then stepping onto their own slippery slope ....

To say that I left the evangelical subculture is not quite accurate — and not only because evangelicalism is so stamped into my DNA that it is impossible to leave entirely. Evangelicalism really left me more than I left it. The religious tradition that shaped me was part of a long and noble movement that, in earlier generations of American life, took the part of those on the margins of society. Evangelicals, especially in the 19th and early 20th centuries, sought to educate those on the bottom rungs of society so they would have a better life....

--http://tinyurl.com/ycotqjeb (Op-Ed The evangelical slippery slope,...)
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News Item12/8/17 11:00 AM
NeedHim  Find all comments by NeedHim
Jim; One is either in Christ as salvation is of the Lord alone or one is still in the fallen aspects of the First Adam. Dead spiritually in their trespasses & sins of bondage, of being a child of wrath, who can't & willn't please God ever. In a fallen unregenerate state ever amen!

No Political Party or Persons, outside of no King but Christ alone, can remove ones spiritual God hating, heart of stone away.

John Y; You are going to split Hell wide open, if you don't forsake your ways of spiritual deception you are under. May the Lord remove your layers of deception away from you amen.

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News Item12/8/17 12:39 AM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
No, what John REALLY meant to say was "I am an evangelical prostitute since I keep whoring around with the Catholic crime organization."
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News Item12/7/17 8:59 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Inconceivable  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
While the number of evangelicals has stayed strong while Christianity crumbles in America, only about half of them “qualify” as evangelicals based on their beliefs, according to LifeWay.

Researchers used a four-point definition developed by LifeWay Research and the National Association of Evangelicals. It relies on four statements:

The Bible is the highest authority for what I believe.
It is very important for me personally to encourage non-Christians to trust Jesus Christ as their Savior.
Jesus Christ’s death on the cross is the only sacrifice that could remove the penalty of my sin.
Only those who trust in Jesus Christ alone as their Savior receive God’s free gift of eternal salvation

LifeWay found that African Americans are the most likely group to have evangelical beliefs (30%), much more than the share of whites (13%), Hispanics (13%), or other ethnicities (9%). They are also most likely to identify as born-again (49%), compared to whites (27%), Hispanics (24%), or other ethnicities (19%).
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Less than half of self-identified evangelicals have evangelical beliefs (45%).
Less than half of self-identified born-again Americans have evangelical beliefs (45%).
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Princess Bride

"I don't thing that word means what you think it means. "
Diego Montoya

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News Item12/7/17 8:34 PM
Connor7  Contact via emailFind all comments by Connor7
John Y meant to say, "I am an evangelical Protestant since I'm Catholic" he also meant to quote 2 Opinions 2: 8-9, "For by being Baptist am I saved, through weird theology, and that, not of Jesus, it is the gift of Pastor Steve, all of works, lest any man should actually know the gospel"
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News Item12/7/17 3:04 PM
Edward Bear | Hundred Acre Wood  Find all comments by Edward Bear
Boy, this is sure an interesting story. There is so much to ponder that you could lead a Sunday school class for weeks to hash it out. What are some lessons?
a. lack of unity of belief
b. wide variety of races (interesting to see Hispanics represented nearly as much as blacks, when many assume Hispanics = Catholics)
c. South wins out (maybe NASCAR or the SEC football teams have something to do with it).
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News Item12/7/17 1:49 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I found the article mentioned in my previous message.
Russell Moore wrote:
...For years, secular progressives have said that evangelical social action in America is not about religious conviction but all about power. They have implied that the goal of the Religious Right is to cynically use the “moral” to get to the “majority,” not the other way around.

This year, a group of high-profile old-guard evangelicals has proven these critics right. But thank God, that’s not the whole story.

The word “evangelical” isn’t, first of all, about American politics. The word is rooted in the Greek word for gospel, good news for sinners through the life, death, resurrection and reign of Jesus of Nazareth as the son of God and anointed ruler of the cosmos.

Evangelical means a commitment to the truth of God’s revelation in the Bible and a conviction that the blood of Christ is offered to any repentant, believing sinner as a full atonement for sin.

---http://tinyurl.com/y8x38cpf (Russell Moore: Why this election makes me hate the word ‘evangelical’)

Great article. Note the title there will be some material in there that GOP evangelicals won't like about it. You have been warned!

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News Item12/7/17 1:17 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
SA, has picked out an excellent article Do read it! If I remember another article correctly, Russell Moore considers the term evangelicals as meaningless.
Russell Moore wrote:
Racism does what as a Christian I believe the devil exists to do: to kill and to destroy and to exalt the idolatry of self. If we cannot call this what it is, we will sow in cowardice what we will reap in violence.

This means we should, as citizens, work to address structural and systemic inequalities that hinder full participation in the American promise by people of color. American of many different religions, and of no religion at all, should stand together on at least this: that all men are created equal, and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights....

We cannot stop there, though.

We must also, as churches, live out the unity of the gospel with Christians — black, white, Asian, Hispanic, and others — in shaping and forming one another’s consciences. This means congregations must know one another as brothers and sisters, and learn not just to love one another but to listen to one another.

--http://tinyurl.com/y6ve69b2 (Russell Moore: White supremacy is 'backward,' 'devilish')
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News Item12/7/17 12:04 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
I am an Evangelical Protestant since I am Baptist.
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