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SATURDAY, OCT 7, 2017  |  39 comments  |  1 commentary
California Can Now Jail People for Proper Gender Pronouns

California can now start jailing people that refuse to use the preferred gender pronouns of nursing home residents after Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown signed the bill Thursday.

The law’s effect is limited to nursing homes and other long-term care facilities, but mandates that those who “willfully and repeatedly” refuse “to use a transgender resident’s preferred name or pronouns” can be slapped with a $1,000 fine and up to one year in prison, according to the California Health and Safety Code.

Known as the “LGBT Senior Bill Of Rights,” the legislation also requires nursing homes and care facilities to allow residents to use the bathroom of their choice, regardless of biological sex. The bill’s author, state Sen. Scott Wiener, D-San Francisco, argues that religious views don’t hold weight in public areas. ...

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News Item10/11/17 10:41 PM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Back to the original topic, if California can jail people simply for what they say or refuse to say, then we must either put the U.S. Constitution in a museum alongside other relics, or we must grant equal power to the other states to regulate speech as they see fit. Mississippi should be allowed to incarcerate anyone who refuses to call the Civil War "The War of Northern Aggression." Kentucky and Pennsylvania must be allowed not only to disagree with, but to actually imprison, those who say that coal mining may harm the environment. And Georgia should have the right to lock up every hater who refuses to say "How 'bout them Dawgs." What's good for the goose--and they sure don't get any goosier than California--is good for the gander.

News Item10/9/17 9:22 PM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
Brother Frank, yep, spot on.

News Item10/9/17 12:19 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA

News Item10/8/17 11:39 AM
ladybug  Contact via emailFind all comments by ladybug
Well said Frank. The late David Wilkerson's former church has women pastors -

Carter Conlon's wife is listed as a 'pastor'.

They also list this, "The Baptism of the Holy Spirit, according to Acts 2:4, is given to believers who ask for it." Nowhere does that text imply such.


News Item10/8/17 11:34 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank

The below are general comments that came to me and they apply generally to these groups and we should all agree on the points I am noting. If someone doesn’t understand the purpose of a general comment, they should google it.

1. They order God around by naming and claiming miracles. I have heard some of them say that if someone prays “Thy will be done” they are sinning.

2. They believe that those who are not baptized in the Spirit are second class Christians. IOW, they will not be called upon to preach or be elders or deacons.

3. They have women pastors.

4. “Some” believe that you are not saved unless you speak in tongues.

5. Their more famous proponents are very wealthy because of their schemes.

6. They claim to have prophets who are not prophets at all. Deuteronomy 13 says false prophets should be put to death.

7. They elevate the status of some of their leaders to a ridiculous level.

8. They believe that Christians are like little gods.

I believe they are every bit a pseudo-cult regardless of how sanctimonious they may act. If someone wants to discuss any of the above points, let me know.


News Item10/8/17 11:09 AM
ladybug  Contact via emailFind all comments by ladybug
Good point penny, I wonder what JMac says now that a Satanist is demanding the Christian to bake them a cake?

It's also troubling that JMac is willing to 'share the platform' at an upcoming conference with many false teachers, including John Piper -

Celebrity preachers hang together, sell their 'wares' at these conferences and peddle their latest books, cds, etc. I wonder if our Lord would overturn their wares display tables?


News Item10/8/17 11:00 AM
penny  Find all comments by penny
should a Christian bake a wedding cake for a "gay" marriage?

according to J Macarthur, its perfectly fine. (course if their conscience says not to, then don't)

will these kinds of well paid pastors be with the brethren as they face persecution or will they have a rational reason behind keeping their empires while the brethren suffer? (per Romans 13?)

who will walk through the miry clay with the brother thrown to the lions?


News Item10/8/17 10:59 AM
ladybug  Contact via emailFind all comments by ladybug
This is a good message from David Wilkerson -

I disagree with how Wilkerson paraphrases the Apostle Paul's words, but the content of this message is good. Being a cessastionist, I don't know of anyone who has ever spoke in tongues other than a woman who was a charismatic Pentecostal in a previous job I held. She went on to tell others they were not saved if they did not 'speak in tongues'.


News Item10/8/17 10:45 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks Jon, not everyone knows who Bob Larsen even is, and he is amongst those I detest the most. Even the angel who was disputing Moses' body didn't bring a railing accusation against Satan, merely saying, "The Lord rebuke you". Bob Larsen taunts, teases, challenges, threatens, and calls names, etc., and he is living lavishly thanks to the ignorant and unlearned. He has his reward.
I agree with your last sentence, but unfortunately, nobody seems to be calling out the indecency and disorder within. Gifts aside, when people are convulsing on a floor, crawling on all fours and barking, and jumping up and down, with arms flailing while running around a church and screaming in tongues, this is a problem and it sure doesn't serve to reach a lost world. Not that it happens everywhere, but it all started from the same place and grew legs because nobody was putting a lid on anything else.

News Item10/8/17 10:33 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I'll add that in my experience, Charismatics amd Pentecostals are some of the most loving and giving people I've run across, and they will faithfully and compassionately give to anyone in need while expecting nothing.

News Item10/8/17 10:32 AM
penned  Find all comments by penned
Jon, David Wilkerson was a country preacher that saw the images of the New York gangs in the newspaper. God called him to leave his stable life and go into a dangerous place to share the gospel with armed gang members, rival gang members, kids high on drugs. And he saw deliveries from addictions and many salvations.

(not using jung and freud)

the charlatans preach prosperity.. and these can be false charisma and it can be guys in suits who are stoic.

teachers who are close to the heart of GOd warn nations like this one of tribulation and need for repentance.

he foresaw this cultural marxist revolution as the youth turning violently against their fathers.

as JMac recently gave a sermon called a nation abandoned by GOd, Wilkerson would've preached a sermon called a nation abandoned by its fathers.


News Item10/8/17 10:31 AM
Jon | Pennsylvania  Find all comments by Jon
Christopher, yep the Benny Hinns and the Bob Larsen out there certainly have brought shame to the whole body. I once attempted to politely confront Bob Larsen in person to his face. He would not even answer me. But isn't that what Paul was doing with the lunacy in the Corinthian church? He was merely teaching the way of decency and order to a church that was heading down the Benny Hinn road. But he never taught them to reject spiritual gifts altogether, only to test all things, reject what is false and evil, and to hold to that which is good with dignity and order.

News Item10/8/17 9:16 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Jon, I was speaking purely from years of experience, being right in the middle of it all. As for the many being on the front lines defending the faith, I completely agree, but the issue for me is your comment on Charismatics refuting false doctrines. I've personally never seen or heard anyone addressing the confusion within the church which makes visitors, seekers, and the world at large see us as lunatics. Again, everyone speaks in tongues, most everyone prophesies and/or is a healer, everyone gets slain in the spirit with these charlatains waving handkerchiefs, clapping sharply, and blowing on people as if they have God's power as their puppet to be used on demand, and whatever else, on demand. This chaos has lead to the Benny Hinns, Bob Larsens, and others of this world who abuse these "gifts" for money and power. I've never heard anyone within these churches speak out against things not being done properly and in order, etc. I guess you have, but it's most certainly not being as widely addressed as it should be.

News Item10/8/17 8:37 AM
Jon | Pennsylvania  Find all comments by Jon
To any and all who are following this thread; as usual Jesus nails it with His teaching: "For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit." (Luke 6:43) David Wilkerson, and many other Pentecostal preachers have produced much food fruit. And to the assertion that any charismatic Christian never refutes false doctrines; that simply is not true. I know of many that are on the front lines of defending the faith, and that in a most learned and scholarly venue. I must add that I myself don't claim any charismatic gifts, but I will defend those that do. The sovereign Holy Spirit distributes these gifts as He sees fit. We can't throw the baby out with the bath water. And I fully
Agree with Paul in asserting that I would rather speak five words of instruction with my mind, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

News Item10/8/17 8:13 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Jon wrote:
I must assert one more important point and then I put this whole thing to rest. But the fact remains that these gifts are real and contemporary.
Jon, like I said your argument is with the clear teaching of God's Word, not me. I don't believe a cleansed leper should go and offer the sacrifices prescribed by Moses in the law, that doesn't mean I "throw out" the words of the Lord Jesus as not being that which is profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness.

News Item10/8/17 7:25 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I should add something else...I'm not a hardcore cessationist like most others, if not, all else are. I'm honest enough to say that Im not beyond certain, but I lean against them, viewing any bonafide, verified happenings, etc., as miracles in today's world.

News Item10/8/17 6:54 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
...I see gross abuse, and gifts on demand in a setting of confusion and disobedience that God wouldn't honor anyway. I do believe God performs miracles today, and that's what I would liken the gifts of yesterday to, when they do occur throughout the world.

News Item10/8/17 6:53 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi Connor, I would reserve "wackos" to the false teachers themselves who are intentionally misleading the ignorant they're deceiving.
Hi Jon, this is one of those agree to disagree issues because not one will convince the other, and I view that as being ok. My simpler take is that God can do what He wants, when He wants, and with whom He wants. I view any gifts that were to shout the power of Christ, and announce His victory over death, more as miracles now when they occur. You mentioned cessationists, but the reality is that the only non-cessationists are Charismatics and Pentecostals who grossly abuse these gifts and appoint their own gifts to themselves based on personal preference. I was a hardcore Charismatic...everyone spoke in tongues...everyone, and most prophesied and/or had the gift of healing. These churches are in chaos, and it's all the result of these gifts they claim are still fully active, but if anything, they prove just the opposite. Charismatics never, ever address the false prophesies, tongues never being interpreted, and healings that never take. I knew things weren't really happening at the time but was conditioned to believe that it was always a lack of faith or unconfessed sin that kept people from being healed, unfulfilled prophesies, etc. Again,

News Item10/8/17 2:54 AM
Connor 7  Find all comments by Connor 7
When I said wackos, I'm referring to the "Christians" who are allegedly vomiting in the spirit, drunk with the glory of God, false healings, whacking demons out of people, etc.

News Item10/8/17 2:31 AM
Connor 7  Find all comments by Connor 7
Jon, I disagree with the charismatic position, I know there's the wackos who are "drunk in the spirit" but that's not the people I'm referring to, I disagree with Piper and Michael Brown on their position on the charismatic gifts, and actually I e-mailed Dr. Michael Brown and my question was mentioned on, "The line of fire" I can send you a link if you'd like.

However I still read/listen to their stuff occasionally, in fact I'm going to read Michael Brown's books on Homosexuality, and I'm going to use his stuff in evangelism, Piper has good stuff too, I want to read the book, "Let the nations be glad" I listened to the sermon, and it was great.

My point is, even though I think they're wrong on the topic, I still recommend them, because I don't lump them in with the wackos, I make the distinctions.

"I think you will find that in know way could that man be lumped in with maniacal lunatics that counterfeit the true gifts of the Spirit. It seems that your experience in Christianity has been narrowly denominational; there is much more happening out there than just conservative baptists; "

Don't know who you were referring to, but I tune into Presbyterians, IFB, Calvinists, non-Calvinists, people who hold to Monolism, etc. so I try to not have a narrow Christianity, I try

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