Think fake news is scary? Try false teaching. The Christian equivalent to journalistic misinformation commits the same kinds of deception with much more at stake. Like fake news, false teaching has enjoyed a long history. The original misinformer appears in the earliest moments of human history, whispering into Edenâ€™s atmosphere, â€śDid God really say?â€ť
In a smooth turn of phrase, Satan does what liars do best: Muddle together a heady cocktail of fact and fiction, twisting the very words of God to prey on fear and desire. The pattern for false teaching was set....
Christopher000 wrote: John, what are you not getting, exactly? This is about your continued allegiance to Rome; a religious system whose doctrines God sternly warns against and condemns, and who arrogantly defies Him in so many fatalistic ways. Yet, instead of obediance, you sit amongst them, defend them, and have the audacity to call yourself one of theirs, and one of Gods in the same breath.
I am no longer going to refer to myself as a Catholic on here and on other discussion forums. I will only state that I am a Baptist on here and on other discussion forums.
Mike New York, I don't want anybody to convert to Catholicism. They should convert to a Baptist Church because the Baptist Church is the best church. I do not believe that surrendering ones life to Christ is an insurance policy.
Hey Frank, I know your reasoning is the same as mine for responding at times. I remember one time when he posted something, I don't remember what, but someone who normally never commented up until that point, responded. Whatever John posted wasn't responded to by anyone, and the person came by and said something to the effect of, "I thought this was a Christian site...you people believe this stuff?" Obviously, the person thought we all must be in agreement because nobody challenged or made a correction, so ever since then, I've made it a point to set the record straight if nobody else does, and I've seen you do the same many times while making the reason clear.
Frank wrote: ... to ... water down Christianity. If he can make folks believe that RC is not antithetical to Christianity, then he is watering down the gospel. You do realize that in our country, saying someone is catholic is synonymous with saying they are Christian. He furthers that thought process.
Definitely, to further blurr away sharp boundaries between truth and error, and to make RC acceptable as a variant for truth. This is part, in a big scale, of ongoing agendas
Mike wrote: Everything that's being said about the RCC is true. It is a great false religious system. It buries its hooks deep inside the mind of its adherents. The problem is in seeing John Y as some sort of agent who's here to troll the rest of us into- what, exactly? Conversion to Catholicism? Fat chance. He doesn't do very well at it because he is an awful spokesman for it. Anyone here even remotely tempted? Any former Catholics like myself can clearly see he doesn't believe in anything because he believes in everything that has to do with religion as an insurance policy. JY is truly messed up, but he's no agent of Rome. I say this as an actual former outspoken defender of the RCC.
No Mike, I donâ€™t think that JohnYâ€™s goal is to convert people to RC, but to simply water down Christianity. If he can make folks believe that RC is not antithetical to Christianity, then he is watering down the gospel. You do realize that in our country, saying someone is catholic is synonymous with saying they are Christian. He furthers that thought process.
I donâ€™t care if he is RC or not; he is still a troll and he uses catholicism as his point of divisiveness.
Hey Kev, believe me when I tell you that I used to be just the opposite. Honestly, it's still not really my nature and has taken a lot of effort, and still does at times when I'd really love to speak my old mind...ha-ha. I'm still trying to figure out how to tread that fine line so that "being gracious" as you said, doesn't appear as weakness in certain situations. In my effort to avoid conflict these days, I Probably don't always step up when I should.
It's probably best not to argue with someone who believes their own lies.
True...I know a couple of narcissists, and they are the epitomy of the old cliche, "Like speaking to a brick wall". Perfect examples, and an exhausting waste of time trying to get them to view anything other than their own skewed reality.
Thanks Mike, there's most obviously something not jiving like it should upstairs which is the reason for the patience I've had. I don't see him as some staunch Roman Catholic who intentionally refuses to see straight while using apologetics to hit his positions home, but rather, a child-like mind latched onto the things he learned at first without the ability to reason properly or break free from that mental prison, no matter how he tries to come off using vocabulary to hide what's below the surface. I mean seriously, look at his future plans, Herman Munster humor, and responses that he finds to be perfectly logical. Not to mention a shelter or halfway house, and it's not for a physical disability, chronically jobless, etc., etc. Come on now. Theres more than meets the eye, and we all have our opinions on it and I'm fine with that, but this is mine.
Dave is right though, and I understand, perfectly, the other positions and anger, but I also know some things others don't, so I have my reasons, although, my patience is waning, regardless.
Everything that's being said about the RCC is true. It is a great false religious system. It buries its hooks deep inside the mind of its adherents. The problem is in seeing John Y as some sort of agent who's here to troll the rest of us into- what, exactly? Conversion to Catholicism? Fat chance. He doesn't do very well at it because he is an awful spokesman for it. Anyone here even remotely tempted? Any former Catholics like myself can clearly see he doesn't believe in anything because he believes in everything that has to do with religion as an insurance policy. JY is truly messed up, but he's no agent of Rome. I say this as an actual former outspoken defender of the RCC.
I have to admit, in this equation I, well I keep trying to open John's eyes, and it's frustrating to say the least, and sad. Good lesson for me, it's not what I want that matters, it's what God has decided that does. I guess at some point I must lean on Psalm 19/7 7The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. KJV By the Will of God man is saved, not by the Will of Davo
Thank you, and yes...any true child of Christ, with the proper knowledge and instruction, who also refers to themselves as being Roman Catholic, is either not highly intelligent, but delusional, or so highly intelligent that they've turned delusional. In either case though, God's Word is simple, God's Word is clear, and God's Word leaves no excuses for misunderstanding, whether super smart or super dumb. Knowing what I know...knowing what WE know...can any one single person here ever imagine themselves one day deciding to become a Roman Catholic, or still now be a Roman Catholic even after becoming born again? The simple answer is, "No", and the reasons are so simple, obvious, and apparent that a young child could grasp it.
Christopher000 wrote: Good comments from all. The church of Rome is the pharisitical religion and religious ideology that existed in Christ's day.
Excellent analogy. I'm sure that the Pharisees had some scriptural parts but as well but Jesus rebukes them of their false doctrine mixing it with the true:
6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
Jesus never says to sit under false teaching and just take the good. Paul says a little leaven leavens the whole lump(ruins it all!):
9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
--- Hey there MS, Frank, Dave Christopher, Lurker and all the rest of the saints. I've noticed you've had a persistent troll problem. John is joined to the idolatrous Catholic Church and refuse to come out.
As the religious leaders in Christ's day mocked and blasphemed Him, the Roman Catholic cult continues to do so every day with their abominable mass,sorcery, and necromancy...straight from the bowels of hell.