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Feds Collect Record Taxes Through August

The federal government collected record total tax revenues through the first eleven months of fiscal 2017 (Oct. 1, 2016 through the end of August), according to the Monthly Treasury Statement.

Through August, the federal government collected approximately $2,966,172,000,000 in total tax revenues.

That was $8,450,680,000 more (in constant 2017 dollars) than the previous record of $2,957,721,320,000 in total tax revenues (in 2017 dollars) that the federal government collected in the first eleven months of fiscal 2016. ...


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News Item9/29/17 4:25 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
--The Cult of Personality
Just avoid churches like the above.
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Doe this refer to the IRS tax collecting cult?
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News Item9/29/17 2:17 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Dr. James Emery White wrote:
What is a cult of personality?

It’s when a person becomes the center of attention rather than Christ; an individual looms larger than a mission; a figure is given more status than the organization itself.

... consider the following ten signs, in no particular order, of a cult of personality at work in a local church:

1. The demand for special treatment, special honor, special recognition....

2. The website is focused on an individual. A person’s quotes, their picture....

3. No one is allowed to question the leader without retribution....

4. If the leader were to leave, die, or fall into scandal...the entire enterprise would collapse....

5. The line between “look at what God is doing” and “look at what our leader is doing” is almost non-existent....

6. The name of the leader and the name of the church are inseparable....

7. Image is paramount......

8. There is no sense of team leadership,...

9. The person travels in an entourage.

10.Their speaking/teaching often revolves around themselves....

--The Cult of Personality

Just avoid churches like the above.

UPS, using the android app? then you missed the link to the CNN article. I

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News Item9/29/17 10:45 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Jim, thanks for the reminder that Democrats will lie to you like they did to Reagan on the tax increase, like Obama and party did to the American people who they labeled as too stupid with which to be truthful about your plan, your doctor, and that rates would go down.

Debating Reagan is off topic and a waste of time, you are entitled to your opinion.

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News Item9/29/17 9:37 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
You mean, Mike and UPS, there is a danger cutting the deficit? Well I have seen articles about that. You guessed it, Forbes, The Big Danger In Cutting The Deficit. The United States very rarely had a balanced budget, and according to this gentleman it wouldn't be a good idea anyway as stated in his article that was written during the Obama Administration.

By the way, Mike, Ronald Reagan was a RINO! Taxes: What people forget about Reagan. He had tax increases! He spread the pain around.

Dr. Tim, almost all my remarks apply to mega-churches, whose have a membership of 1000 adults or more. Smaller churches generally don't have the problems that are addressed by ECFA, Problems any church can resist by not having a cult of the personality, and bt being transparent in their finances. I think the ECFA is a organization aimed at large churches and religious organizations.

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News Item9/28/17 9:22 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
To think Jim will still be against cutting tax rates. Cuts in corporate and capital gains rates more than pay for themselves in increased revenue. This was proved in the 20's, 60's and 80's. Reagan's tax cuts even made the Clinton economy look good. (like Mike pointed out deficits went up not due to lack of revenue but increased spending) No time to get into the Democratic sub prime mortgage fiasco that brought about the crash in 2007 thanks to the work of Senators Obama, Dodd, and Frank. (which is why it was lunacy to have the people who created the problem come up with the "fix")

Government doesn't need more revenue, it needs fewer expenditures, like trying and miserably failing to provide healthcare. Stop base line budgeting, get term limits, drain the swamp!

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News Item9/28/17 7:59 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Regarding the thread, it doesn't matter how much the govt rakes in from taxpayers, it isn't enough. If they take in a dollar, they spend 1.50. It's almost a rule. Sometimes they give back 20 cents and call it aid. People get all excited about fed aid, and local/state politicians tell us it won't cost taxpayers because the govt is paying for it. Strange how folks can be bamboozled by funds returned to them made of small portions of the money they sent in.
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News Item9/28/17 6:04 PM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Jim, for every Mark Driscoll you can dredge up who has been a crook, I can show you a thousand men who have quietly, faithfully, honestly and humbly served God as pastors even in churches that could not begin to support them, let alone make them rich. You, sir, are obviously a bottom-feeding scavenger with no desire to edify the saints or even to repent of your own wickedness. If you have a sudden urge to sneeze, don't blame it on allergies. That's me shaking off the dust of my feet.
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News Item9/28/17 5:04 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Yes, the Warren Buffett who supports abortion with millions of dollars. This has no effect on his business sense or --some good-- ideas on government. However, Dr. Tim, I'm happy to see that you didn't vote for Donald Trump, since personal morality is important to you.

Mike, the pastor, should have picked from verse just before the ones he gave.

2 Corinthians 2
17 For we are not like many, peddling the word of God, but as from sincerity, but as from God, we speak in Christ in the sight of God.---NASB

Sarah Eekhoff Zylstra wrote:
Tidal Wave of Hurt

The collapse of Mars Hill released a tidal wave of hurt, disillusioned people. Many quit Mars Hill; some quit church or Christianity altogether. Hundreds limped into other area churches, asking about church bylaws and pastoral pay structures before even introducing themselves.

--http://tinyurl.com/yccuw6ul (Seattle Reboot: Life After Mars Hill)

I may have to make a serial out of the above article, though I'll try to attach to one of the Mark Driscoll threads, really quite good.

Absolutely no reason a pastor should disclose his pay, unless it is so obscenely high, he would be run.

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News Item9/28/17 4:48 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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There is nothing anti-church about pastors making public what they get for income. It isn't Christian is that they try to cover it up!
---
Wrong premise. There is nothing in Scripture that says a pastor is a public employee, nor says to make known his income publicly. It is sufficient that his congregation know what they give. There is no *public* in the transaction. You cannot demonstrate Christian requirement for *public* disclosure, so don't waste your time trying. And lest we be guilty of language abuse, *public* includes unbelievers, right? Tell me of the right of unbelievers to know what I contribute, if you can. If not, post another link.
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News Item9/28/17 4:38 PM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Warren Buffet said that? THE Warren Buffet? Well shut mah mouf and th'ow away mah Bible! Surely "All scripture is given by inspiration of Warren Buffet..." I'm going online right this instant, Jim, to see if there is a God-hating liberal you HAVEN'T quoted. Oh, why bother? If he's out there, you'll find him.
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News Item9/28/17 4:17 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Dr. Tim, I will try to refrain from putting an URL here much as I'd like to do one from a source about the new tax proposals. Unfortunately in those new proposals there's nothing about raising the taxes of the wealthiest which people such as Warren Buffett pointed out it should be done. But we can't have all these rich politicians having to pay even more taxes since they want to pay less.

This article is meaningless, because sometime the record for how much taxes are collected would be broken anyway - - unless we entered a serious depression. So, yes, we actually need more taxes, especially from the plutocrats who infest our government.

There is nothing anti-church about pastors making public what they get for income. It isn't Christian is that they try to cover it up!

Quoting from the article and the Bible,

2nd Corinthians 8:20 We are avoiding this, that any man should blame us concerning this abundance which is administered by us. 21 Having regard for honorable things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.

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News Item9/28/17 4:06 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Mike,it looks like you read the article!
But you should have noticed the quotation came from a pastor, Frank Benson Jones
(Court Rules Churches Can Continue To Conceal Financial Information)
---
I did notice, Jim. Did you notice anything revealing about what he said, other than what is thought to be said?

"I find it strange and appalling that the salary of the president of the United States is made public; the salaries of the members of the Senate and the House of Representatives are made public; the salaries of every state governor are made public; but the salaries of pastors and church employees are kept confidential and top secret."[---Rev. F. B. Jones]

All the examples he used are of *public* employees. From this he wrongly supposes pastors and church workers are public employees, then hyperventilates about their need to do likewise. He seems to want government to make more anti-church laws. It would be better to go after specific criminal behavior in specific places, and leave the rest of us alone, don't you think? The example of my local congregation is this- every income and outgo is recorded and revealed to the congregation annually. We don't need govt "help," or Benson's.

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News Item9/28/17 4:05 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Than than stutter then  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Dr. Tim wrote:
Jim Lincoln, who, as far as I can tell, has never had a thought he didn't appropriate from some liberal goofball on the Internet, quotes Peter J. Reilly in the post below. This is the same Peter J. Reilly who said in a recent article, "It is a good thing that people were honoring Edith Windsor this week." His beloved Edith Windbag was a notorious lesbian rebel against God and nature who is burning in hell at this very moment unless she repented and trusted Jesus Christ as her Savior prior to her death (and I know of no evidence that she did). Reilly's own "theology" is that of socialism and hedonism. Jim Lincoln may as well be honest and quote his REAL hero, the devil. "Yea, hath God said?" Everything Jim posts indicates that he doesn't believe a word that God has said and that Jim himself is bound for the same hell Windsor is in now. Jim, you had better wake up and smell the brimstone.
ladybug wrote:
Jim Lincoln has an agenda to push, and he does it daily on all these threads. He does not think for himself, rather, he lets others do his thinking for him, as is evident by the countless links and quotes he uses.
Attempting to disguise oneself as a 'sheep' when, in fact, he is a
...
wolf woof?
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News Item9/28/17 3:38 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike wrote:
Good to know the judge said the atheist Freedom From Religion Foundation had no standing to bring the suit. Since they were not seeking 501c3 exemption for themselves, but were merely trying to eliminate it for someone else, they were suffering no injury from defendants, thus had no complaint. Good for the judge.
Mike,it looks like you read the article!
But you should have noticed the quotation came from a pastor, Frank Benson Jones
Peter J Reilly wrote:
The strongest voice I have noted for church financial transparency is that of Reverend Frank Benson Jones. In his book Stop The Prosperity Preachers he argues that lack of transparency is one of the things that draws the wrong type of people into ministry. He believes that if the profits were removed, only prophets would remain
--http://tinyurl.com/ycat6h5w (Court Rules Churches Can Continue To Conceal Financial Information) [turn off ad-blocker to read!]

Dr. Tim, it's better for me to have good editorializing than than warmed over thoughts of troglodyte radio announcers

By the way, look at the thread of the rise of social diseases. I used a source which I would avoid, but it is conservative.

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News Item9/28/17 10:24 AM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
Jim Lincoln has an agenda to push, and he does it daily on all these threads. He does not think for himself, rather, he lets others do his thinking for him, as is evident by the countless links and quotes he uses.
Attempting to disguise oneself as a 'sheep' when, in fact, he is a goat, is evidence of the bad fruit displayed. Satan and Jim have the same agenda; Jim is a 'product' of following the 'Roman road'. This post points out the errors of this 'Roman road' - https://iamhis-lyn.blogspot.com/2017/09/death-along-roman-road.html

May God have mercy on Jim L. and all who are deceived into thinking they are saved based on a flippant, man made method/formula.

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News Item9/28/17 10:15 AM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Jim Lincoln, who, as far as I can tell, has never had a thought he didn't appropriate from some liberal goofball on the Internet, quotes Peter J. Reilly in the post below. This is the same Peter J. Reilly who said in a recent article, "It is a good thing that people were honoring Edith Windsor this week." His beloved Edith Windbag was a notorious lesbian rebel against God and nature who is burning in hell at this very moment unless she repented and trusted Jesus Christ as her Savior prior to her death (and I know of no evidence that she did). Reilly's own "theology" is that of socialism and hedonism. Jim Lincoln may as well be honest and quote his REAL hero, the devil. "Yea, hath God said?" Everything Jim posts indicates that he doesn't believe a word that God has said and that Jim himself is bound for the same hell Windsor is in now. Jim, you had better wake up and smell the brimstone.
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News Item9/28/17 9:16 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Tax Reform!
--Court Rules Churches Can Continue To Conceal Financial Information[/URL
Good to know the judge said the atheist Freedom From Religion Foundation had no standing to bring the suit. Since they were not seeking 501c3 exemption for themselves, but were merely trying to eliminate it for someone else, they were suffering no injury from defendants, thus had no complaint. Good for the judge.
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News Item9/28/17 8:03 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Tax Reform!
Peter J. Reilley wrote:
"I have heard of some churches that require the members of the staff to sign non-disclosure agreements, and that is a sure sign the church is doing something wrong. Requiring churches and religious organizations to file an IRS form 990 would in no way impede the constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religion, but it would help to expose those greedy preachers who are using the constitution to conceal their improper accumulation of wealth at the expense of American citizens....

"I find it strange and appalling that the salary of the president of the United States is made public; the salaries of the members of the Senate and the House of Representatives are made public; the salaries of every state governor are made public; but the salaries of pastors and church employees are kept confidential and top secret."[---Rev. F. B. Jones]

Most charities are subject to some level of transparency, but not churches. That leaves it up to the members to demand transparency. If you meet resistance from the leadership, maybe you might consider that rather than a sheep who is being fed, you are one that is being shorn.

--Court Rules Churches Can Continue To Conceal Financial Information[/URL
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News Item9/28/17 12:43 AM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
About one sixth of this will go not toward paying off the national debt, but toward paying the INTEREST on the national debt. Any householder who spends a sixth of his or her income on interest payments is in serious, if not catastrophic, financial straits and, unlike the Federal government, cannot print additional play money to cover their expenses.
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