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FRONT PAGE  |  11/18/2017
MONDAY, SEP 25, 2017  |  33 comments
NASCAR owners side with Trump, take firm stance against anthem protests

NASCAR again proved to be an insular oddity in American sports culture on Sunday as Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series pre-race festivities at New Hampshire Motor Speedway were completely devoid of the type of national anthem protests that have permeated other professional sports.

Demonstrations have increased in response to President Trump asserting that NFL owners should “get that son of a b---- off the field right now. Out. He's fired. He's fired!" if one of their players protested.

On the day Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shahid Khan linked arms with players in a silent protest before an NFL game in London, if any NASCAR competitors shared the political opinion of athletes expressing themselves elsewhere, they fell completely in line anyway. In a state whose motto is “Live Free or Die,” crewman, including numerous African-Americans, stood in rows as usual for the national anthem, adhering to the ...


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News Item9/27/17 2:05 PM
Phillip Mezzapelle | Sicily, Italy  Contact via emailFind all comments by Phillip Mezzapelle
Of course they are going to agree with him. They have been receiving big fat pay checks from the military. In return for supporting "blind patriotism". Dear people, you don't need an MBA or PHD to do your own research on this.
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News Item9/27/17 7:23 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
It should be noted that large numbers of Christians don't agree with White evangelicals besides people who are not conservative Christians at all This is why that at the very most outlawing abortion will only be partially successful across the country. The Black evangelicals who are as every bit as Christian as the white ones,
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You must like talking about skin color, Jim. You bring it up so often...
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News Item9/26/17 11:23 PM
Connor7  Find all comments by Connor7
The article says, " We need Daniels: "Mene, Mene. Tekel. Upharsin." (Dan. 5:24-28) -- the handwriting is on the wall America! " First of all, Daniel did not write that, God did, secondly the writing was in Babylon, off the top of my head, it reads, "MENE: God has numbered thy kingdom and finished it. TEKEL: Thou art weighed in the balances and art found wanting. PERIS: The kingdom is given to the Medes and Persians"

Nothing having to do with America, and I can expound on that later. Nonetheless the author seems to think that you cannot have balance between the gospel and politics, everything is black and white to the author.

And the sad thing is that the author, who is obviously quite passionate, ends up declaring a false accusation against those who are under the charge of "Christian Activism" and this article has the potential of damaging good causes and people, such as myself, who "protest"

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News Item9/26/17 11:09 PM
Connor7  Find all comments by Connor7
Furthermore, they say, " Significant changes in society have been effected by preaching and example. Unfortunately, changes such as the abolition of slavery and the enactment of child labor laws, while improvements to be thankful for, have not made society any more godly"

The implication is staggering, if you protest against slavery, legalised murder (such as abortion or eugenics) lies in the textbooks, impeachment, etc, you are engaging in "Political Activism" we are basically told to not use the rights God has given us, (such as protesting, writing bills, boycotting, etc.)

So if America said rape was legal, or child sacrifice was legal, etc. we should not protest against it, for it would be "Christian Activism" what I believe we have here is a wrong definition, and a faulty understanding of plain reason. They paint a broad brush in their opening sentences and throughout the article, they broad brush the intentions of every person, and seem to think that if you speak out against abortion, you are engaging in "Christian Activism"

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News Item9/26/17 10:56 PM
Connor7  Find all comments by Connor7
"Increasing numbers of professing Christians are engaging in social and political "activism" for the astonishing purpose of attempting to coerce an ungodly society into adopting Christian standards of conduct. "After all," they say, "in this way we can begin to reclaim our Christian nation."

First thing I'd like to point out, is that this article vaguely describes "Christian Activism" the article does not have any meaningful documentation to support its assertions, the primary documentation is the Bible, and the article should beat the Bible less mercifully and follow sound argumentation more fervently.

The best definition of "Christian activism" is, " "Christian activism" involves today the well-meaning but foolish attempt to force "Christian principles" upon a godless society through more effective lobbying, larger demonstrations, and greater "social upheaval" than the homosexuals, abortionists, or pornographers can produce."

They make this assertion yet provide little to no documentation to support this definition, in other words, it is a definition they use to substantiate their assertion.

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News Item9/26/17 10:43 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
It should be noted that large numbers of Christians don't agree with White evangelicals besides people who are not conservative Christians at all This is why that at the very most outlawing abortion will only be partially successful across the country. The Black evangelicals who are as every bit as Christian as the white ones, q.v., https://tinyurl.com/283qfr8 (The Politics of Conservative Christianity in Black and White). This is a very interesting introduction to a book.

The majority of people determine morality of a democracy. For good or ill this is happening in the United States. In certain areas it certainly has been for the worse, but that's the way it's going to be, until Christ returns.

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News Item9/26/17 10:24 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Dave Hunt? wrote:
"Operation Rescue" is one example. Its founder, Randall Terry, explains that its purpose is to create social upheaval and thereby pressure government into changing the abortion laws. A typical brochure declares: "Rescues help produce the social tension necessary for political change ... whether for good or bad, political change comes after groups of Americans bring enough tension to the nation and pressure on politicians that the laws are changed."

No matter how commendable the goal of such tactics, there is not one example in the entire Bible of political or social "activism" ever being advocated or used by God's people. That fact must weigh heavily upon any consideration of this important topic. There are numerous cases of civil disobedience in Scripture, but it was never engaged in for the purpose of forcing an ungodly society to obey Biblical principles.

--http://tinyurl.com/ypago4 "Christian" Activism?
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News Item9/26/17 10:23 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Continued from previous message.
Dave Hunt? wrote:
The Hebrew midwives, for example, disobeyed Pharaoh's edict and spared the lives of the male babies, even lying to cover up their "rescue operation." God was so pleased that their names, Shiphrah and Puah, have been preserved for us (Exo. 1:15-22). This was, however, a matter of individual conscience before God, not an organized attempt to pressure the pagan Egyptians by mass demonstrations into adopting Israel's God-given morals....

"Christian activism" is not Christian, and represents a detour from the straight path churches are to walk before the world. It can confuse the real issues, lead to compromise and unholy alliances, and divert time and effort that would better be used in proclaiming the Gospel of repentance of sin unto salvation. Weigh the demands upon your time and set priorities. Be fully engaged in rescuing souls for eternity.

--http://tinyurl.com/ypago4 "Christian" Activism?

As you can see, Mike, so-called Christian activism certainly isn't Christian

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News Item9/26/17 10:22 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Continued from previous message.
Dave Hunt? wrote:
The Hebrew midwives, for example, disobeyed Pharaoh's edict and spared the lives of the male babies, even lying to cover up their "rescue operation." God was so pleased that their names, Shiphrah and Puah, have been preserved for us (Exo. 1:15-22). This was, however, a matter of individual conscience before God, not an organized attempt to pressure the pagan Egyptians by mass demonstrations into adopting Israel's God-given morals....

"Christian activism" is not Christian, and represents a detour from the straight path churches are to walk before the world. It can confuse the real issues, lead to compromise and unholy alliances, and divert time and effort that would better be used in proclaiming the Gospel of repentance of sin unto salvation. Weigh the demands upon your time and set priorities. Be fully engaged in rescuing souls for eternity.

--http://tinyurl.com/ypago4 "Christian" Activism?

As you can see, Mike, so-called Christian activism certainly isn't Christian

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News Item9/26/17 8:34 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Hot pepper speech  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
the Founding Fathers became the Founding Fathers by [*ahem*] emphatically and dramatically rejecting the notion of indivisible power in the State above them,
So
This guy asks

http://www.firebreathingchristian.com/archives/15661

"Would the Founding Fathers say the Pledge of Allegiance?
By FireBreathingChristian - September 25, 2017"

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HE thinks it idolatry( so for him 'tis as a worse wrong than glug of Coca- cola by anti caffeine zealot.
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"We’ve made the American State our god in practice, trusting in it as the ultimate definer, provider, and sustainer of freedom, liberty, privacy, prosperity, and security here on earth…which is why we’re losing all of those things hand over fist, of course.

These are things to think about the next time we’re prompted to pledge and sing on cue like trained chimps.

The Founding Fathers dared to ask questions – uncomfortable and challenging questions.

The Founding Fathers dared to measure things like liberty, freedom, and privacy by objective standards over and against the propaganda of the State above them.

Then they acted accordingly…which is precisely why the modern American State doesn’t want us to think about these things."
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Lack of participation doesn't mandate overt offensive stances tho.
just be still ?

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News Item9/25/17 9:40 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Don't like to put out a critical post so please bear with me

John Yurich your statements don't seem to go together. Anyone driving in NASCAR is a good driver or they wouldn't be there. To say that Danica Patrick is a good NASCAR driver is something that isn't shown in her results on the tracks.

The debate that Jim from Lincoln tries to have with many quotes from his numerous links is a waste of time. You can't compare apples to oranges and reach a right conclusion.

NONE of the Apostles or our Lord lived under the type of government we are now under. We have NO CLUE as to what they would have done in such circumstances. It is pure conjecture. To state they didn't or did do such and such is meaningless because they didn't have anything even remotely close to our type of government.

You may as well state you shouldn't drive a car or use electricity because you don't find the Apostles or our Lord doing so. It is the same rational.

I like what one NFL player said, if he knelt during the anthem it would be on two knees to pray for his country..

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News Item9/25/17 7:26 PM
Dr. Tim | Southern U.S.  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Does the NFL have a flag of its own? If so, I would like to render it the same honor that Churchill rendered to the Siegfried Line in World War II.
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News Item9/25/17 7:07 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
these NFL players are protesting with the cultural marxists. if they were protesting injustice such as abortion, lbgt contracts with other nations, or not arming ISIS, they might have something to say.

its counterfeit.

hopefully NASCAR will pick up "traction".

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News Item9/25/17 5:57 PM
Connor7  Contact via emailFind all comments by Connor7
I don't know if the debate is plausible, because it looks like Mike has nailed the coffin, and buried your argument.
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News Item9/25/17 5:54 PM
Connor7  Contact via emailFind all comments by Connor7
Jim, the whole article of the "Christian activism" yes. This is my third or fourth offer to debate you, I'm sure a lot of people would like to see the debate take place.

If you accept, let me know and we'll do the debate on this thread. Make your opening statement and then I'll do my opening statement, then we'll do a rebuttal, then closing statements.

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News Item9/25/17 5:12 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Acts 17:26

God has raised up this nation, or whatever nation you live in, it only seems right that we don't disrespect it by kneeling during the national anthem. There are other ways to speak out against police brutality and racism than acting a fool. I'm pretty sure Daniel and Joseph didn't live in ideal circumstances, yet they showed respect to those countries where God placed them.

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News Item9/25/17 4:33 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
ladybug wrote:
Where did bro. Frank state it wasn't good idea for Christians to engage in activism? "Increasing numbers of professing Christians are engaging in social and political "activism" for the astonishing purpose of attempting to coerce an ungodly society into adopting Christian standards of conduct. "After all," they say, "in this way we can begin to reclaim our Christian nation."
The same could be said for 'liberal Christians'{which, like their 'conservative Christian' counterparts does not indicate either group are truly born again- it's just a pendulum that swings either wide right or loosy left} like Jim L who use the other side of that same Satanic coin to push an agenda that's just as unbiblical as the dominion agenda. Both types will use 'Christian' and 'politics' to further their agenda, and both will deny they are doing so. A frog in a boiling pot has no idea the pot is boiling, the same can be said for the deceived who have no idea of the deception they are engulfed in. Saying one is a brain surgeon doesn't make it so, saying one is 'Christian' doesn't make it so either.
Yes, Jim picks and chooses what he refers to as ungodly activism. According to his definition, Christ was guilty of activism when he cleansed the temple.
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News Item9/25/17 4:17 PM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
Our nation's are disgusting, anti Christ organisations.
They can have their anthem, stinking pledges, Christ is our banner
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News Item9/25/17 3:57 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"There are no Biblical examples to support today's "Christian activism."

"If "Christian activism" is God's will, Paul would have been the first to pursue it fearlessly at whatever cost."

Problem with these statements, Jim, is this: The opposite of Christian activism is Christian inactivism. You know, pew warming. It doesn't take a lot of fearlessness to sit on your hands, do nothing, and call it godly. Paul wasn't a Christian activist?

Now if you want to say Christians shouldn't be involved in the workings of their land, that's wrong, too, but at least you could make a case for it. A feeble one, but a case.

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News Item9/25/17 3:46 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
You mean this Connor7

"There are no Biblical examples to support today's "Christian activism." Christ "suffered for us, leaving us an example that we should follow his steps" (1 Pe. 2:21). He sternly and repeatedly rebuked Israel's false religious leaders, yet He never spoke out -- not even once -- against the injustices of Roman civil authority! Nor did He advocate, organize, or engage in any public protests to pressure Rome into changing its corrupt system, or the society of His day its evil ways. He submitted to unjust authorities as Romans 13 tells us we should do today: "Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to Him that judgeth righteously" (1 Pe. 2:21-25). No "activism" here! So it was with the apostles and the early churches.

"If "Christian activism" is God's will, Paul would have been the first to pursue it fearlessly at whatever cost. Yet Romans 13 tells us to obey rulers, and 1 Timothy 2:1-4 to pray for them -- not to attempt to change them by coercion. It is not only foolish but counter-productive to attempt to persuade the unsaved to live like Christians. They can't do it -- and if they could it would only blind them the more to their sin and need of a Savior."---http://tinyurl.com/ypago4

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