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FRONT PAGE  |  11/22/2017
SATURDAY, SEP 16, 2017  |  23 comments
Your Tithe Doesn’t Have to Go to Your Church, Most Leaders Say

“Many evangelical leaders do not believe there’s a biblical requirement to give exactly 10 percent to the local church,” NAE president Leith Anderson said. “Giving generously out of what God has done for us is the main message.”

Some leaders referenced the “storehouse” principle found in Malachi 3:10, which says to “bring the whole tithe into the storehouse.” But they were split on what that meant; some said the local church is the storehouse, others that the storehouse isn’t a New Testament teaching.

“I have been taught—without reference to any biblical mandate—that any amount given outside of the local church should be done over and above the tithe,” author and speaker Deborah Pegues, who gives all of her tithe to her local church, told the NAE. “Nevertheless, I believe that everyone should be fully persuaded in his own mind as to the distribution of his tithe.” ...


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News Item9/19/17 12:11 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Ivan Karamazov wrote:
Romanist game playing troll = Juan Yurik
Cease stating that I am a Romanist troll if I attend a Baptist Church faithfully every Sunday where I am currently taking membership preparation class each Sunday morning before worship for the next 8 weeks. After which I will go before the congregation on a Sunday and give my testimony on how I was saved and that I was Baptized via immersion at that Baptist Church. Then the congregation and the Elders will vote on my becoming a member of that Baptist Church. During the last membership preparation class I will give my testimony on how I became saved before the class members.
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News Item9/18/17 8:48 PM
Ivan Karamazov | Texas  Find all comments by Ivan Karamazov
Romanist game playing troll = Juan Yurik
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News Item9/18/17 2:55 PM
KDinDE | Mid-Atlantic  Find all comments by KDinDE
"I am serious. I only put a nickel in the collection basket once a month at that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings. Since I am not on the membership roll at present of that Baptist Church than I do not see any reason to put any more than a nickel in the collection basket once a month."

John Yurich
Jun 15, 2017

via: https://www.baptistboard.com/threads/are-there-any-catholics-on-this-forum.105198/page-6

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News Item9/18/17 12:36 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
1Cor 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come."

2Cor 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:"

Providentially GOD provides for all our needs. To be an effective servant/steward of the Lord it is logical for those who can afford it to share their gifts with others whom the Lord is using in His works.

1Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. 9 Use hospitality one to another without grudging. 10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God."

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News Item9/18/17 12:16 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Right. One does not have to give their entire 10 percent tithe to their church. They can give a portion of the 10 percent to their church and a portion to some Christian organization.
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News Item9/17/17 4:57 PM
BWS  Find all comments by BWS
The tithe was for Israel only. There is no command or example in the New Testament for continuing the tithe or using that as a basis for giving to the needs of the local church. The idea of tithing as a church expectation and requirement even started in the 19th century with the missionary movement which required tithes to support missionaries. Spurgeons view was the tithing was not a new testament teaching or requirement. So there you have it, there is no righteousness in tithing or expectation for that to be a commandment today. How many pastors love it and teach it, guess why?
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News Item9/17/17 11:47 AM
Ignominious Emirakan | doubled down  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
J.C. from SoDak.. wrote:
.. if your laypeople are mature and Godly they should/can help carry the load.
On a ref to 1Tim5:17"double honor",Barna & Viola responded
"Granted, double honor may have included free-will offerings as a token of blessing from time to time (Gal6:6). But this was not the dominating thought. Scripture tells us elders deserve honor (respect), not a salary.
Consequently, 1 Tim5 is perfectly consistent with Paul's words to the elders recorded in Acts 20:33-35. There he told the elders in Ephesus that he did not take money from God's people but instead supplied his own needs. Paul then told the elders to follow his example in this. That passage alone argues against the idea of a hired clergy or a paid pastoral staff.
Strikingly, 1 Tim 5:17-18 and Acts 20:33-35 were addressed to the same group of people—the elders in Ephesus. Thus there is no contradiction. Because the elders were local men, they were not biblically sanctioned to receive full financial support like itinerant apostles who traveled from region to region to plant churches (1 Cori9:1-18).
Paul was an itinerant apostolic worker. Therefore, he had a legitimate right to receive full financial support from the Lord's people (see 1 Cor9)"
waived in 2Cor 11,12-2Thess2&3
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News Item9/17/17 8:03 AM
J.C. from SoDak..  Find all comments by J.C. from SoDak..
I dont beleieve in fully suporting pastors..... if your laypeople are mature and Godly they should/can help carry the load.
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News Item9/17/17 6:49 AM
Ignominious Emirakan | Emailed apology to ether bunny  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
you did it again wrote:
...no matter what Robert's Rules of Order says, I still apologize for my wrong.
Conner properly called me out for my mistake in this thread but I am somewhat surprised you would want to go down the path you chose in your response. I did not bring it up because I did not want to come across as trying to vindicate my action, but there is a reason the moniker chosen this time is :you did it again:
http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details.asp?ID=48166
quite confused- are you posting under mutiple identities??

Got to ask - how many various names have you posted under in the past year?
Please list them as you seem to b saying you are posting under various aliases?
I was confused.
This is the Superhero secret identity problem of "virtual forgiveness"
Clark Kent Offends Batman so
Bryce Wayne is supposed to go to Superman and ask penance
But if superman is split into Red Superman&Blue Superman? Which needs Wayne's watch? Ac/ DC hard to see

Wild West here a bit back with multiple aliases of schizoids posting
Don't wanna go back

secret identity current mask demands ?

tinysa.com/sermon/91717148105

Jason Cooley on Virtual virtue online silliness

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News Item9/17/17 5:42 AM
you did it again  Find all comments by you did it again
Ignominious Emirakan wrote:
http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details.asp?ID=48166
"Why are you not "
may sue " you did it again" for
infringement? I hope it gets resolved
Ps 133.
I will hold off on basis Robert's Rules of order of gracious forgiveness. I can't offer grace for alias' potential hurt feelings
My alias feels sad that doesn't also have
okay, it is your choice not to forgive. Not a good one according to Mark 11:26 no matter what Robert's Rules of Order says, I still apologize for my wrong.

Conner properly called me out for my mistake in this thread but I am somewhat surprised you would want to go down the path you chose in your response. I did not bring it up because I did not want to come across as trying to vindicate my action, but there is a reason the moniker chosen this time is :you did it again:

I am stunned you would provide the link to it, as noted below, for others to check. That was not one of best days as a poster. You not only failed to credit Piper until after it was pointed out, you then sadly fulfilled the first six words of Proverbs 14:9.

http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details.asp?ID=48166

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News Item9/16/17 9:40 PM
Watcher | Unknown  Find all comments by Watcher
ladybug wrote:
Well said Watcher. The last church I attended, the Pastor preached 3 Sundays in a row on 'tithing'. He hammered hard on monetary giving, and none of the sheeple were concerned. I wondered why he thought God only wanted our money? Anyway, I never returned to that church. I figured if he could not rightly divide truth, there was no point in returning.
I attended a church for years and was abreast of many of the inward workings of the pastors and when they were having financial challenges, they would pull out the tithing sermon. It never ceased to be used to brow-beat the congregation into giving more and more so the church could continue to support its "ministries". Ministries such as the pastor's income, the "missionary trip" to Palm Springs and other ridiculous expenditures. To force someone living on a meagre income to give more of their lack of is wrong. To tell that same person that if they are lacking in finances it's because they don't have enough faith is abominable.
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News Item9/16/17 9:33 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
Well said Watcher. The last church I attended, the Pastor preached 3 Sundays in a row on 'tithing'. He hammered hard on monetary giving, and none of the sheeple were concerned. I wondered why he thought God only wanted our money? Anyway, I never returned to that church. I figured if he could not rightly divide truth, there was no point in returning.
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News Item9/16/17 9:30 PM
Watcher | Unknown  Find all comments by Watcher
To the chagrin of many Christians and pastors, there is absolutely no commandment in scripture (New Testament) telling us to tithe. We are however told to give as we are led, out of a giving and cheerful heart.

Tithing and the use of the infamous passage in Malachi 3 have brought many into bondage as Christians have been led to believe that they will inflict a curse of disobedience upon themselves unless they give their tithe to their church.

God demands obedience, not sacrifice.

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News Item9/16/17 8:42 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | alias aliens align  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
you did it again wrote:
Thanks for pointing that out Conner, ...My apologies to Ignominious Erirakan for wrongfully saying you had not given credit to the author of the words in your post. ..
As I was noting to Connor, in another thread-
1st things 1st!

"Why are you not " may show up to hassle YDiA
He could accuse him of
plagiarizing the words of another and
presenting them as "original"Ecc1:9
violation of the 8th commandment?
These plagiarist
"first use"
charges by
" why are you not" are
pending a potential resolution- I would not wish to intrude
- the "why are you not " snowflake sensibilities are worded so close to your latest , that I fear you may have inadvertently offended him by "plagiarism"
Not that I think so- but he seems to be a stickler.
Well, not for "the Bible had 1 author" type cites,
But more so than Shakespeare
WAYN prim views seen at the following

http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details.asp?ID=48166

"Why are you not "
may sue " you did it again" for
infringement? I hope it gets resolvelved
Ps 133.

I will hold off on basis Robert's Rules of order of gracious forgiveness. I can't offer grace for alias' potential hurt feelings

My alias feels sad that doesn't also have 😭😢😥😪

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News Item9/16/17 7:43 PM
you did it again  Find all comments by you did it again
Connor7 wrote:
Mr. " You did it again" can you give the definition of plagiarism?
I think you were a little hasty of accusing IE of plagiarism. All I did was type in, " Viola Barna Pagan Christianity" (Ignominious Emirakan has that as his 'general location') and, you know what? I found the website, it was the first thing that came up on my device.
So he did not plagiarize anyone, he gave credit to Frank Viola, and you are guilty of bringing a false accusation against IE. If you have an accusation against someone, be careful it is not a false accusation.
Maybe ask, "Hey, where did you get that from?" I'm sure you had a pure motive, but don't do it in ignorance of the facts.
Thanks for pointing that out Conner, I did not notice it. It was in an unusual spot. My apologies to Ignominious Erirakan for wrongfully saying you had not given credit to the author of the words in your post. I trust you will be gracious and forgive my error.
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News Item9/16/17 11:19 AM
Ignominious Emirakan | emulation of Viola violin  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Connor7 wrote:
Mr. " You did it again" can you give the definition of plagiarism?
I think you were a little hasty of accusing IE of plagiarism. All I did was type in, " Viola Barna Pagan Christianity" (Ignominious Emirakan has that as his 'general location') and, you know what? I found the website, it was the first thing that came up on my device.
So he did not plagiarize anyone, he gave credit to Frank Viola, and you are guilty of bringing a false accusation against IE. If you have an accusation against someone, be careful it is not a false accusation.
Maybe ask, "Hey, where did you get that from?" I'm sure you had a pure motive, but don't do it in ignorance of the facts.

actually, I was gonna get all the royalties from my new book called
Plaguing Christianity mailed to me in pennies.
Yepperrs -
That's my nefarious plan.
My book will annoy-
"When Martin Luther challenged the institutional church of his day, it made many people angry. As a matter of fact, if Luther had not had the support of Frederick the Wise and his armies, he would have been killed for his beliefs (like many other Reformers were).
Today, Protestants look back on Luther and hail him as a hero."
But he plagiarized his ideas from anabaptists, cribbing from Paul
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News Item9/16/17 10:46 AM
Connor7  Contact via emailFind all comments by Connor7
Mr. " You did it again" can you give the definition of plagiarism?

I think you were a little hasty of accusing IE of plagiarism. All I did was type in, " Viola Barna Pagan Christianity" (Ignominious Emirakan has that as his 'general location') and, you know what? I found the website, it was the first thing that came up on my device.

So he did not plagiarize anyone, he gave credit to Frank Viola, and you are guilty of bringing a false accusation against IE. If you have an accusation against someone, be careful it is not a false accusation.

Maybe ask, "Hey, where did you get that from?" I'm sure you had a pure motive, but don't do it in ignorance of the facts.

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News Item9/16/17 9:06 AM
You did it again  Find all comments by You did it again
Ignominious Emirakan wrote:
One of the lingering roots
You are plagiarizing the words of another and presenting them as your own. A clear violation of the 8th commandment.

These words are found at the following website written by Frank Viola

https://truthforfree.com/html/article_Tithing-and-Clergy-Salaries.html

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News Item9/16/17 8:42 AM
Ignominious Emirakan | emulation station  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Youth in Asia wrote:
Some churches are not worthy of financial support in my opinion because they neglect many things a church should do. The elders are not soundly equipped with the Bible, or they fail to do their best to live out a victorious Christian life. A church that is biblical, united, and itself is generous and clearly sacrificial heart beat, now that is a church I would gladly support.
Yes- look for Acts 20 types
"27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears."
-
33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.
34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
" more blessed to give than to recieve"
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News Item9/16/17 8:18 AM
Youth in Asia | Asia  Find all comments by Youth in Asia
Some churches are not worthy of financial support in my opinion because they neglect many things a church should do. The elders are not soundly equipped with the Bible, or they fail to do their best to live out a victorious Christian life. A church that is biblical, united, and itself is generous and clearly sacrificial heart beat, now that is a church I would gladly support.
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