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‘Earth is flat,’ pro-Erdogan youth leader argues
An article written by Tolgay Demir, a “youth leader” in an Istanbul branch of Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), went viral Sept 1. Titled “The Flat Earth Theory,” the article was published on the organization’s website. In it, Demir, the deputy president of the local party organization, seriously argued that the Earth, in fact, is flat. He asserted that the “freemasons” fooled the modern world to believe that the Earth is round. The photos of the planet taken from space by NASA are “staged,” the argument went on, whereas the voyage to the moon by the Americans was nothing but a “conspiracy” to support the “round Earth myth.”

But why was there such a grand conspiracy to fool humanity about the shape of its planet? Demir gave the following answer:

“Presenting the world as a sphere, and presenting it as one of the trillions of stars and planets in the universe, devalues humans, ...


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News Item9/23/17 1:39 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | A Fat earth model  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Blast from past - bible reading from the moon. I remember it well.

http://www.creationists.org/Audio/Apollo8ChristmasEveMessage.wav

These audio files are from the Apollo 8 mission as it came around from behind the far side of the moon on Christmas Eve, December 24, 1968. Contrast what you will hear in clip with the evolutionism propaganda coming from NASA today to see just how far NASA has strayed from the truth. They continue to waste millions of our tax dollars searching for the origins of life, how the universe began and life on other planets. The answers to these questions have been right under their noses the whole time in God's Holy Word, the Bible. God warned us almost 2,000 years ago that the myth of evolutionism would be prevalent in the last days.

http://www.creationists.org/what-the-bible-says-about-ufos-and-aliens.html

Evilutionists marvel at how "silly creationists" do not go along with their model- as they constantly revise it
And Alien Cultures of Star Trek Star Wars etc has the " intelligent" crowd thinking they " know" there are UFOs filled with aliens.

A little discussion on just HOW God created the earth is better than the idiocy of thinking there is no God to give-
"fatness of the earth" Gen 27:28

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News Item9/22/17 9:09 AM
James thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James thomas
Watcher wrote:
One last thing. Ask any pilot if they are constantly adjusting the altitude of the plane to account for the curvature of the earth and they answer no. Hmmm...I wonder why?
The point of reference that determines altitude constantly changes as they fly. Keep the same point of beginning aka a constant or a known....then the variable can be found objectively.
Here is an example....
Flying from Jacksonville to San Fran. The point of reference that determines altitude changes each second the plane moves. Once the plane leaves Jacksonville we change the definition from the original point of reference from altitude to distance. The difference between altitude and distance is perspective.
In my mind I thought of the flashlight coming over the table as a sun rise....light hits all the table at once yet Australia is dark as I type this.
I do the same on a basketball something different happens than on the table example.
Also. Where is a pic of the edge?
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News Item9/21/17 11:04 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
This has been an interesting discussion and I appreciate the gracious comments in spite of differences.

Math has always been of interest to me so I did a little research regarding the FE's rejection of gravity.

Gravity causes a free falling object to accelerate at 9.8 meters per second, every second. So in 3 seconds an object falls at the speed of 29.4 meters per second.

FE rejects gravity and replaces it with upward acceleration. The unspecified force which causes the upward acceleration must be equal to that of gravity to negate it.

If a flat earth began its upward acceleration at Gen 1:1, at the speed of 9.8 meters per second, every second; at the end of the first day of creation we'd be traveling at the speed of 846,720 meters per second. And in less than one year (354.31 days to be exact) we'd be traveling upward at the speed of light and continuing to accelerrate.

At this point my math gets a little fuzzy (lunar years BCE, solar years AD) but it seems a young, flat earth demands we are presently speeding upward at more than 6,000 times the speed of light and accelerating at the rate of 9.8 meters per second. Without continued acceleration we'd become weightless and float away.

No real point here but I think I'll stick with gravity..... pun intended.

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News Item9/21/17 6:22 PM
Shane | Socal  Find all comments by Shane
😂
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News Item9/21/17 5:22 PM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
😂😂😂 but Shane you haven't seen my nose, they needed to formulate such equations to measure it.
God bless you mate, love ya like a brother mate
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News Item9/21/17 5:16 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Way back machine tape measure  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
The basic principle they used was triangulation, which we still use today. The idea was to do very long surveys of many miles, [primarily] measuring distance with 20-foot long wooden poles. If you know the length of one side of a triangle and measure two angles, you can reconstruct the rest of the triangle. They built up a chain of triangles stretching 200 miles, roughly the distance from New York City to Washington, D.C.

[To measure angles] they used a very robust but precise instrument known as a quadrant, a very heavy cast-iron instrument with telescopes that had to survive the ocean voyage and be transported up and down the mountains. Looking through the telescope a mile away, you could distinguish between two points that were 6 inches apart.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/amp6674/the-remarkable-story-of-the-first-accurate-measure-of-the-earth/

I had the posted link earlier& noted Chuck Missler used image
Of
http://wild.maths.org/not-whole-truth-about-triangles

To illustrate his "hyperdimesionality" PowerPoint messages.

Once they had measured distance, they took star sightings to establish exact latitude at the northernmost point and southernmost point and then divided by the length. That gave them the exact distance- quite accurate.

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News Item9/21/17 5:05 PM
Shane | Socal  Find all comments by Shane
Let me know if you need help. I can take a flite down there. It will probably make a stop in the Philippines. But I'll get there. You have a nice ,big,flat desert we can erect it on. 😅

Love you brother.

Just having some fun

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News Item9/21/17 4:21 PM
Shane | Socal  Find all comments by Shane
Dave...

Let me know when you erect that 300 mile high triangle experiment. Id like to see how that one goes. 🤔

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News Item9/21/17 4:04 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | center cross point  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Dave wrote:
Exactly igny.
We do have absolutes, and where I come from, if you totally ignore factual evidence to arrive at your own conclusions, that are contrary to the facts, we call that delusion
I can see ,after reading the book, a lot of the attraction of going too far down the " conspiracy " route-
Earlier on , I linked in Jason Cooley's recent corrective on this & laughed as he in his message noted the Lord can even save the transgendered Michele Obama.

The Lord wants our energy devoted to facts !

But a few fun refs to " building 7" or " TWA 800" can open some minds to the conspiracy to tell them the whole universe is the result of an explosion of nothing resulting in rocks that , after billions of years of rain - created IPhones.

Flat earth compared to Big Bang atheism?
The atheists have the BIGGER delusion illusion.

I point out my geocentric perspective with background knowledge that " moderns" think there is NO center ANYWHERE to the entire universe!!. ( they do the panCentric / ACentric dance to deny the FACT that red shift/ blue shift point to our solar system being the center of the universe. Too " Gen 1ish " for them. )

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/astronomy-and-the-bible/

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News Item9/21/17 3:39 PM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
Exactly igny.
We do have absolutes, and where I come from, if you totally ignore factual evidence to arrive at your own conclusions, that are contrary to the facts, we call that delusion
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News Item9/21/17 3:29 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | pray for kid rescue work  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Dave wrote:
180%
Right ! &as they DO NOT
Maths
indicates sphericity!

I finished the interesting book that was linked early on in this thread
Moorman summarizes my take -
" red herring kind of argument designed to divert from the facts of the case. It does not square with the facts. The Bible does not teach a flat earth. There is no historical record that Europe ever believed in a flat earth. There is no history of Christians believing in a flat earth. The ancients saw the roundness of earth in eclipses. As early as 200 BC Erastothenes was able to measure the earth’s circumference.
Ptolemy the premier astronomer of the ancient world knew that the earth was spherical.
He pointed out that people living to the east saw the sun rise earlier, and how much earlier was proportional to how far east they were located. He also noted that, though all must see a lunar eclipse simultaneously, those to the east will see it as later, e.g. at 1 a.m., say, instead of midnight, local time. He also observed that on traveling to the north, Polaris rises in the sky.
IMO
"Proof That Our World Is Not a Moving Globe"book by
Edward Hendrie
Conflates
Geocentricity's biblical basis with
(To me) unconvincing flat earth & other "conspiracy" stuff
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News Item9/21/17 3:09 PM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
Lay a triangle over say, 300 miles up side, 400 miles on the bottom. Should the angles make 180%
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News Item9/21/17 1:29 PM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
(TMC) @Shane

That’s alright, though if you ever get a chance I think you would find the articles from answersingenesis.org interesting, if nothing else!

“Victory is already his, which makes it ours.”
Amen!!

Thank you too, especially for showing grace and patience even in our disagreement!

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News Item9/21/17 1:07 PM
Shane | Socal  Find all comments by Shane
Tmc...

I want to apologize. I haven't read any links. Links aren't available on the app. I wasn't ignoring you on that.

Im sure you understand the point im making.

Look.. we can find good outcomes in all things. The Lords will is done. Victory is already his, which makes it ours.

Thanks again for the conversation.

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News Item9/21/17 12:18 PM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
(TMC) @Shane
Have you ever read “How Should We Then Live” by Francis Shaeffer? Both the arts and the sciences were revolutionized, not by the age of reason, but by the Reformation. Prior to that, the RCC dogmatically expounded the Greek concepts of the universe and anything else (such as Eliptical Orbits and Heliocentrisity) was considered heresy. Not because of conflict with Scripture, but because it contadicted the pagan philosophy of circles being the sign of perfection that had been adopted wholesale. But when the ancient conflict between universals and particulars was solved with the Gospel centered on the Infinite- Personal God, then people began to apply the implications of Christianity to all areas and questions of life. That is what insipired so many to study creation and to discover scientific laws! Before it had been an exercise in futility, but now it had (and has) God-given meaning! We explore and test and question because it is our Father’s creation and He has given us dominion over all the works of His hands!
Yes, the world can be bleak. And, yes, evil men plot and plan for their own ends. But, Praise the Lord, He is Sovereign over all! And, He has told us that He holds such men in dirision, and uses them to accomplish His Good Ends!!!
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News Item9/21/17 11:33 AM
Shane | Socal  Find all comments by Shane
I desire simpler times. Just the Lord, my wife and children, and REAL oneness with the saints.

But i, as with all of us are being bombarded with burdens and ideas that desire us to be devoted to them, and not the Lord.

I vote for a simpler life.

The Lord created man to dwell on earth. Man has no businesses even attempting the idea of being above earth.

So i hope you all ponder what i do...

If you want to know if the tree is bad, look at the fruit.

The fruit is rotten.

God bless.

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News Item9/21/17 11:32 AM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
(John 8:32) @Shane, bump! !
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News Item9/21/17 11:22 AM
Shane | Socal  Find all comments by Shane
I grew up relatively "normal", lol. Whatever that means. I graduated as a highschool dropout into the "mean streets". A valuable lesson in human nature. When you deal with the dark side of life and the street mentality, you see the world in a more cynical way. If a gang or mafia can so control communities and industries undercover... than imagine what the devils henchmen can do with the power of government, universities, and media.

If you will, ponder these powers of persuasion in your own lives. Some have pursued careers and endeavours that advanced technology to what it is because of what nasa did. Or because they saw 2001 a space Odyssey, or star wars. Going to universities, burdened with student loans and molded in the mind. Powerful control. For some the indoctrination is to much to change the mind. Money, career, higher learning, security, retirement. Powerful bondage.

Cont.

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News Item9/21/17 11:07 AM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
(John 8:32) @Shane, bump!
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News Item9/21/17 11:03 AM
Shane | Socal  Find all comments by Shane
Television arrived. Minds were now being moved not only by what they heard, but could now see. Very powerful. Man was ready to be entertained.
The space race elevated the game. Families had dinner in front of the television to watch man walk on the moon. Now... all things were possible in the minds of man. Man began pursuing pushing the boundaries to were we are now. Now you can connect to the whole world with a swipe of your thumb, as im doing right now. Microchips can be placed under the skin for tracking. Man is pursuing the merging with computers.

And what is happening because of all these things? The whole world is becoming one.

Man has been elevating himself.

Was this the end game?

Cont.

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