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FRONT PAGE  |  9/19/2019
FRIDAY, JUL 28, 2017  |  23 comments
Church of England bishop: 'Nothing we agreed at General Synod undermines Scripture'?
Bishop of Norwich Graham James contests the assertion of former Bishop of Rochester, Michael Nazir Ali, and other conservative Anglicans that the recent synod which voted against 'conversion therapy' and in favour of inclusivity for transgender people went against the Bible.

In a letter to the Telegraph he writes: 'The threefold sources of authority in the Church of England are scripture, tradition and reason, with scripture as the foundation. Nothing agreed at the recent synod undermines that.

'On human sexuality, the General Synod called for an exploration of inclusivity in the context of "the Christian faith as the Church of England has received it" within a teaching document yet to be written.

'The synod voted against "conversion therapy", which purports to make gay people straight. It did not seek to prevent prayer or accredited counselling for people uncomfortable with their sexuality. ...


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News Item7/31/17 3:24 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Todays Liberalist churches such as the Anglicans/Episcopalians, Church of England, Church of Scotland, etc prove their false credentials by their public statements, as the article illustrates.

In a way it seems utterly pointless for Satan to raise up these false churches since the pews and pulpits will be filled with ignorant reprobates anyway.
But we are warned about this very fact .......

"Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

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News Item7/30/17 5:39 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Bro, I'm scratching my head, as this is the only post I've put on this thread.
Brother Mike, just pre-empting what I thought you might comment on my post, so I thought I'd save you the bother. I mean, why make things difficult, when it is so clear?

Anyway, you're itching to ask, so go ahead, only I'm off to the Land of Nod; and I know, I've not used that expression in many years.

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News Item7/30/17 5:14 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
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Mike NY, no need to ask your question, bro, as I don't have the answer. But you know me well enough, I take scripture as it comes, and Romans 1 is very clear, so I just believe it and let it influence my life, especially in evangelism and what I am able to say to people.
What do sodomites want to hear? "God loves you and has a marvellous plan for your life."
Bro, I'm scratching my head, as this is the only post I've put on this thread.
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News Item7/30/17 3:30 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Adriel wrote:
The church of England Liberals are wicked men/women religious reprobates ........
In my daily readings today, I was in Romans 1, and the Lord showed me quite vividly something I had not really noticed before. Well, I'd noticed it, but this morning it was brought home to me that certain reprobates are in a very serious state due to overstretching God's mercy, on account of loving certain sins.

v24 Wherefore God also gave them up...

v26 For this cause God gave them up...

v28 God gave them over...

It is the preacher's prerogative to declare salvation and forgiveness to all who repent and believe the gospel. But for these ones who are "given over" there is nothing for them from God except certain indignation and wrath. There is no gospel for them, they have effectively "sinned away" grace.
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Mike NY, no need to ask your question, bro, as I don't have the answer. But you know me well enough, I take scripture as it comes, and Romans 1 is very clear, so I just believe it and let it influence my life, especially in evangelism and what I am able to say to people.

What do sodomites want to hear? "God loves you and has a marvellous plan for your life."

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News Item7/30/17 2:38 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
The church of England Liberals are wicked men/women religious reprobates ........

"Prov 21:27 The sacrifice of the wicked is abomination: how much more, when he bringeth it with a wicked mind?"

"Cain brought his offering. Even wicked men may be found in the external performances of religious worship. Many can freely give God their beasts, their lips, their knees, who would not give him their hearts; the Pharisees gave alms. But when the person is an abomination, as every wicked man is to God, the performance cannot but be so; even when he brings it diligently; so some read the latter part of the verse. Though their offerings are continually before God (Ps. 50:8), yet they are an abomination to him. 2. Much more when they were brought with wicked minds, when their sacrifices were made, not only consistent with, but serviceable to, their wickedness, as Absalom's vow, Jezebel's fast, and the Pharisees' long prayers. When men make a show of devotion, that they may the more easily and effectually compass some covetous or malicious design, when holiness is pretended, but some wickedness intended, then especially the performance is an abomination, Isa. 66:5." (M.Henry)

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News Item7/29/17 3:44 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
I must have missed it wrote:
they didn't have printed tracts back in New Testament times, so tracts must be against the regulative principle? In fact no one passed out tracts during New Testament times, so it must be something not to be practiced today.
They didn't have printed Bibles back in New Testament times, so Bibles must be against the regulative principle? In fact no one passed out Bibles during New Testament times, so it must be something not to be practiced today.

They didn't have printed Confessions of Faith back in New Testament times, so Confessions of Faith must be against the regulative principle? In fact no one passed out Confessions of Faith during New Testament times, so it must be something not to be practiced today.

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News Item7/28/17 6:46 PM
I must have missed it  Find all comments by I must have missed it
John UK wrote:
Ha! I don't think so bro. After all, not having to buy chairs means more dosh for tracts, doesn't it? Have you seen the price of church chairs today?
they didn't have printed tracts back in New Testament times, so tracts must be against the regulative principle? In fact no one passed out tracts during New Testament times, so it must be something not to be practiced today.
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News Item7/28/17 3:36 PM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
MS wrote:
Ok Roman catholic/baptist/non-denominational John y.
We got it. Lunch time over.

He's just a walking contradiction, aint he?

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News Item7/28/17 3:33 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Ok Roman catholic/baptist/non-denominational John y.
We got it. Lunch time over.
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News Item7/28/17 3:00 PM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
John UK wrote:
Rodney, if you decide to follow Ezra and have your meetings outdoors, that's good by me.
touché
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News Item7/28/17 2:52 PM
JohnH | Northern Ireland  Find all comments by JohnH
Thank God for Bible believing preachers in the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster
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News Item7/28/17 2:52 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
John UK wrote:
Ha! I don't think so bro. After all, not having to buy chairs means more dosh for tracts, doesn't it? Have you seen the price of church chairs today?
In some of our Welsh chapels, the pews are bolted to the floor. The reason for this is to maintain the pastor/congregation style, which is also clergy/laity.
Hey bro, if like me, you believe the world is affecting the speed at which we do things - such as worship - have a gander at this piano rendition of the hymn, "Jesus thou joy of loving hearts". I find it difficult to sing this any more, but I use the tune to sing Psalm 102-v2. Just note the speed, and think of our current 100mph trend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsqHOt29_48
This is the best thing I've come across on YouTube.
From the slowing-down man, man.
why?
So you can think of the words you are singing, of course.
How abnormal can anybody be to be hung up on the regulative principle of worship to the point of stating that the normative principle of worship is not biblical and to state that clergy/laity is not biblical? Absolute wacko city.
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News Item7/28/17 2:48 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Rodney K. wrote:
...which is also Ezra/Nehemiah style.

Absitively! Posolutely!

God bless you, bro.

Rodney, if you decide to follow Ezra and have your meetings outdoors, that's good by me.

Oh no! You've posolutely been on the vegemite again.

God's blessing to you too, brother!

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News Item7/28/17 2:38 PM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
John UK wrote:
Ha! I don't think so bro. After all, not having to buy chairs means more dosh for tracts, doesn't it? Have you seen the price of church chairs today?
We are in the middle of a building program. I have indeed seen the price of chairs. But, my Father's resources are not finite.

John UK wrote:
...the pastor/congregation style, which is also clergy/laity.
...which is also Ezra/Nehemiah style.

John UK wrote:
So you can think of the words you are singing, of course.
Absitively! Posolutely! The words are the most important part and too many times we rush through them at breakneck speed without savoring the truths contained. (I’m guilty.) Of course, that doesn’t mean that we can never sing fast songs. I doubt that the song of Exodus 15 was sung at a somber pace. Perhaps songs of triumph and jubilation should be a bit peppier. Don’t we see that in the Psalms? Psalms of triumph. Psalms of lament. Psalms of doctrine and instruction. Perhaps the music should be fitting with the theme.

God bless you, bro.

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News Item7/28/17 2:24 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
In recent decades we have noticed that what the Bible says is of no real interest to the Church of England. Their religion is not Christian nor is it Biblical. Their religion is Liberalist which does not acknowledge God nor The Holy Word of God.

Bible believing Christians no longer attend the Church of England or the Episcopalian church in Scotland.

The last bishop in the Church of England appears to be J C Ryle, who died in 1900.

The Church of Scotland seems to be in the same religious shipwreck of Liberalism.

"1Timothy 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: 20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme."

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News Item7/28/17 2:10 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Rodney K. wrote:
Quite right! Because the Bible doesn't prescribe using chairs in worship.
Is this not carrying the regulative principle further than its intent?
John UK is not normal if he is for the abnormal regulative principle of worship over the normal normative principle of worship.
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News Item7/28/17 2:08 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Rodney K. wrote:
Quite right! Because the Bible doesn't prescribe using chairs in worship.
Is this not carrying the regulative principle further than its intent?
Ha! I don't think so bro. After all, not having to buy chairs means more dosh for tracts, doesn't it? Have you seen the price of church chairs today?

In some of our Welsh chapels, the pews are bolted to the floor. The reason for this is to maintain the pastor/congregation style, which is also clergy/laity.

Hey bro, if like me, you believe the world is affecting the speed at which we do things - such as worship - have a gander at this piano rendition of the hymn, "Jesus thou joy of loving hearts". I find it difficult to sing this any more, but I use the tune to sing Psalm 102-v2. Just note the speed, and think of our current 100mph trend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsqHOt29_48

This is the best thing I've come across on YouTube.

From the slowing-down man, man.

why?

So you can think of the words you are singing, of course.

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News Item7/28/17 1:37 PM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
John UK wrote:
...sitting crosslegged on the floor of the meeting room...
Quite right! Because the Bible doesn't prescribe using chairs in worship.

Is this not carrying the regulative principle further than its intent?

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News Item7/28/17 11:56 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
John UK wrote:
Now if anglicans were to understand that clergy/laity is unbiblical.
Nobody who is normal believes that clergy/laity is unbiblical because the Bible mentions Pastors as being those who lead churches in worship.
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News Item7/28/17 10:05 AM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
The blind leading the blind

The local PCUSA Pastor now feels same sex marriage doesn't undermine Scripture. Ive known the man for 10 years, and I'm sure 10 years ago he didn't feel this way. He is a company man to the bone. Either that, or he isn't strong enough to confront the PCUSA hierarchy and his liberal congregation

Sad, what the threat of losing a paycheck can do to a guy

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