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FRONT PAGE  |  9/16/2019
TUESDAY, JUL 11, 2017  |  182 comments
Confederate Flag Raised at South Carolina Statehouse in Protest by Secessionist Party

The Confederate battle flag was raised outside the South Carolina Statehouse again Monday, but it rose on a pole that was planted in a temporary plastic stand — not in the earth.

The ceremony was timed to mark the second anniversary of the state’s decision to remove a Civil War banner that for many white southerners was an emblem of pride — and a symbol of racism to just about everybody else.


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News Item7/18/17 5:14 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
1689 ch19:2

"The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables, the four first containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man."

ch19:3
"Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, his graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits; and partly holding forth divers instructions of moral duties, all which ceremonial laws being appointed only to the time of reformation, are, by Jesus Christ the true Messiah and only law-giver, who was furnished with power from the Father for that end abrogated and taken away."

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News Item7/18/17 4:51 PM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
You appear as a domineering feminist bmc , though I've learnt that comments get removed that hold you to charge.
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News Item7/18/17 4:49 PM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
Forget your conventions, mere doctrines of men, there in lies your problem
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News Item7/18/17 4:07 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Lurker wrote:
veiled insults
Lurker, there are people the Bible tells us not to bother answering or speaking to. However, mind, it is quite possible to
" .. speak evil of those things which ... know not " Jude

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"The Lord is my shepherd"

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News Item7/18/17 6:54 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
1689 ch19:1

"God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience written in his heart, and a particular precept of not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil; by which he bound him and all his posterity to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience; promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it."

It's interesting because this whole business of having the law written in the heart is not new.

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News Item7/18/17 4:27 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dave wrote:
The Galatian heresy.
They didn't think that works saved you, but were being infected by those accursed that were trying to introduce works to keep your Salvation.
Precisely, Dave.

1689 ch17:3 Perseverance of the saints

"And though they may, through the temptation of Satan and of the world, the prevalency of corruption remaining in them, and the neglect of means of their preservation, fall into grievous sins, and for a time continue therein, whereby they incur God's displeasure and grieve his Holy Spirit, come to have their graces and comforts impaired, have their hearts hardened, and their consciences wounded, hurt and scandalize others, and bring temporal judgments upon themselves, yet shall they renew their repentance and be preserved through faith in Christ Jesus to the end."

The Galatian heresy is best avoided. And the Antinomian heresy also.

Our loving Father treats us just like the perfect father should. He spares not the rod, lest he spoil his child. The Christian life may be difficult, and at times perplexing, but there is an eternal plan unfolding; that is, the everlasting salvation of his elect, no matter what. In this I rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory.

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News Item7/17/17 11:28 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
MS wrote:
Concerning the narcissistic PD, Lurker.
Starting with myself if we really were honest; we have to admit that we all suffer from that wicked malady.
To our shame.
Trust all is well with you and yours.
Every blessing.
No doubt to some degree. Sort of like the ever elusive humility. The moment we think we've attained it..... its gone.

I'd put my brother's NPD on par with our president.

All is well and thanks for asking. My wife and I got to enjoy 2 days with our 8 month old granddaughter this past weekend at our home. Such a blessing.

All the best to you and yours.

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News Item7/17/17 10:58 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Concerning the narcissistic PD, Lurker.
Starting with myself if we really were honest; we have to admit that we all suffer from that wicked malady.
To our shame.

Trust all is well with you and yours.
Every blessing.

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News Item7/17/17 10:32 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
B. McCausland wrote:
We should be aware that Scripture warns us that some doctrines can have their origins in the very pit of hell, (see verse below mentioning doctrines of devils) and those propagating them may pass by equivocation as servants of Christ, when in reality they are Satan's. (2 Cor 11)
Oh, alright Bmac. Since you seem to be grief stricken that I actually ignored your last comment to me (as I said I would), I'll humor you out of sympathy.

Let's get the record straight. I have proposed no doctrines. I have challenged your doctrine with scripture. I would think you and others would be thrilled to have someone actually put your doctrine to the test. If its true, scripture should uphold it. My latest installment to 2 Tim 3:16 is on the table for anyone who believes they can actually discuss scripture civilly. Personally I doubt you can but I always have the option to ignore your veiled insults.

Btw, do you suffer from narcissistic personality disorder? I ask because I have an older brother now 80 who has had it all his adult life and it has gotten much worse the older he gets. Self centered, high opinion of himself, believes whatever comes out of his mouth is truth. Oh well, it doesn't really matter.

Have a great day.

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News Item7/17/17 6:49 PM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
The Galatian heresy.
They didn't think that works saved you, but were being infected by those accursed that were trying to introduce works to keep your Salvation.
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News Item7/17/17 6:22 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
John UK wrote:
1. ... total depravity, origin sin, and imputed sin ... Get it wrong on this, and heresies will abound inevitably

2. ... will be called all sorts of names for upholding practical as well as imputed righteousness

3. I find it astonishing that a Christian can accept the law written on the table of the heart yet reject the exact same thing written with ink in their Bible.

1. Yes, these are very vital points; if denied there is no true Scriptural gospel in place.
We should be aware that Scripture warns us that some doctrines can have their origins in the very pit of hell, (see verse below mentioning doctrines of devils) and those propagating them may pass by equivocation as servants of Christ, when in reality they are Satan's. (2 Cor 11)

"... some shall depart from the faith,
giving heed to seducing spirits,
and *doctrines of devils* "

2. Sadly this is a total misrepresentation

3. Baffling indeed

Take care

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News Item7/17/17 4:18 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Lurker wrote:
1. ... the great commandments .. the Decalogue. They are polar opposites; life vs. death.
2. Btw, your closing jab wasn't helpful.
3. Keep it up and I'll ignore you
1.They are not opposed. They are one.
Obedience works by love. Justification by faith in the atonement.

2. My last remark did not come up to fully express what my personal perception is regarding your biblical takes, however, let us make clear that they do not seem near to Spirit-breathed sense.

3. Threats do not pertain to Christian character,
".. forbearing threatening .." Eph.6

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News Item7/17/17 3:39 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Buckeyes wrote:
2Tim 3:16) @Lurker, the law of God is the whole body of stated truths both OT and NT concerning and defining good, evil, justice, and injustice.
Again, thanks for your opinion on the Law of God. However, I'm not convinced by opinions. I need indisputable biblical facts such as:

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put **my law** in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Ezek 36:26-27 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put **my spirit** within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

It could be said that neither prophecy was complete in and of itself and the sum of the two, my law and my Spirit, renders the proper meaning which makes God an inept Author. Or, it could be said that one interprets the other. I choose the latter because there is no record that anything was sent down from the Father except the Holy Spirit.

Gal 3:14 ...that we might receive the promise of the Spirit...

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News Item7/17/17 1:59 PM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
2Tim 3:16) Hi Kev, Yes Christ fullfilled the law and what is more, as part of what he has promised in the new covenant(Jer 31:33, Eze 36:26-27), he is actively writing it on our hearts and bringing us to closer conformity to his standard of righteousness, the moral law. Parts of the law such as the laws of separation, sacrificial, and ceremonial laws have passed away and have no more applicability to Christians. However the moral judments of God must stand forever due to the nature of God and the testimony of scripture (Mal 3:6, Ps111:7-8, Ps 89:34, Ps 119:160). This is why the moral law of God is still valid as a standard of righteousness, and for convincing of sin(1John 3:4 Rom 7:7, 3:20). @Lurker, the law of God is the whole body of stated truths both OT and NT concerning and defining good, evil, justice, and injustice. There are no grounds to selectively make law in (Jer 31:33, ect.) be anything other than the holy, just, righteous, and eternal law of God.
Unfortunately I’ve got to go. I’m helping prep for my Dad’s back surgery which is tomorrow and I may not be able to drop back in. Blessings!
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News Item7/17/17 1:34 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Penny,
God bless you for sharing the practical outworking of all this theology. It reminded me of a Christian lady yesterday who, when I reiterated the goal for us Christians is to love God with all our heart, soul, strength and mind, and our neighbour as ourself, confessed that because of the horrible things some of her neighbours say to her because she is a Christian, she often finds it difficult to love them with a true, compassionate love.

These sort of things can take a whole lifetime to sort out.

Christ gets us out of the world in an instant (justification) but getting the world out of us can take many, many years (sanctification).

Anyway, thanks for your edifying posts.

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News Item7/17/17 1:24 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
...and I wanted to add, and then I"ll be off and wish you all a good day...

that when I sin, there is a feeling of being grieved that I have grieved the HOly Spirit..and that is an indication of the Holy Spirit in me, bringing me to conviction, which is confirmed in the scripture that the law is written on the heart.

this is the very thing we are talking about.

but again, as having to deal with myself all these years, I need clearer instruction on what love is, because the flesh can cleverly convince me that what I am doing is "love"

"do nothing out of selfish ambition" "do not steal, do not envy" .... Jesus had to remind us, Paul had to remind us, how many Christians defend global warminig and depopulation? they must be taught the scriptures... yes, Genesis still applies too.... be good stewards, be fruitful.. "I will not destroy the earth in a flood again"...

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News Item7/17/17 1:13 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Kev wrote:
The consequences of not walking up rightly are a separation from your relationship with God and a child of God should be able to feel this and want to change(from my experience).
Yes, this is what I believe also. It is not a joyous experience but grievous, but afterwards yields the peaceable fruit of.......

........righteousness. This is the ongoing change, like say, an ongoing sanctification; getting closer to conformity to the person of our beloved saviour Jesus Christ.

Regarding the "clause", you have to see the detail of it. A couple - like Mary and Joseph - were betrothed when she was found pregnant. Betrothal in those days was effectively marriage, even though they hadn't yet taken vows and were officially married. In such a case, Joseph was minded to "put her away privily", that is, "divorce her privately", even before they were officially married. This is different from my scenario.

All over the two testaments, there is ample instruction in God's way concerning marriage. And disobedience to God's instruction results in a lean spiritual experience, chastisement, and regret. Maybe you prefer this word "instruction", but it amounts to exactly the same thing as law.

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News Item7/17/17 12:57 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
John UK wrote:
I hear you bro. No problem.
Those who put themselves back "under law" have forgotten that they are "dead to the law" as a means of perfect righteousness.
Br John UK, as a young believer I read about Christ's love and loving Him, but was rebellious at times... it took constraining myself to the details of that "love" where I found "walking in holiness". not to say that I have achieved, that is why it is a "walk".. I find it to be work to constrain my tongue from evil, to forgive others when they do me wrong and all those other things of the flesh that are still there, but just as the Apostle Paul said there was a fight between both, thanks be to God we have victory in Christ.

so after we are saved, as you are saying so clearly, we then enter a sanctified life, as we disciple the younger in the faith, we teach them the ways of a Christian life, and you know when you do, they are going to look a lot like the Commandments.

if I meet a teacher who is discipling those younger in the faith and his teaching conflicts with the 10, then I can tell you he is in sin for doing so.

sinners redeemed need clear guidance in a world of immorality.

I certainly needed it. Love is defined...

love is patient, kind, does not envy (it doe

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News Item7/17/17 12:12 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
B. McCausland wrote:
The differentiation you make has no Scriptural grounds. 'The law' in Scripture includes all the body of God's precepts given to Israel. See here how the great commandment is referred as part of *the law*
I didn't say the great commandments were not part of the law. In fact I quoted their source... Deut 6:5, Lev 19:18.

I deny your assertion, although veiled, that the great commandments are the Decalogue. They are polar opposites; life vs. death.

Btw, your closing jab wasn't helpful. Keep it up and I'll ignore you.

. . .

@ 2 Tim,

Thanks for your reply but it wasn't helpful. You wrote in your first post:

"First I would like to make it clear that the law of God has never been able to justify anyone..."

How can you make that statement unless you absolutely know what the Law of God is? If you wrote the Law of Moses instead, I'd surely agree but I can't agree as written. The importance is clear as it carries over to an understanding of the NC promise at Jer 31:33.

So many claim Jer 31:33 is proof that God writes the Decalogue on our hearts as a moral compass, but Ezek 11:19-20, 36:25-25 are counterparts of the promise. No mention of laws... only God's Spirit. Could it be that the indwelling HS is the Law of God?

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News Item7/17/17 11:45 AM
Kev  Find all comments by Kev
I see it that if you show what Christ has done for them they will want to please God and they will conform themselves to the Word of God. They are told that they are completely free and now they serve in gratitude not in 'obligation'. You think that if you tell them they are free they'll go out and sin I don't believe this to be the case. I would tell them if the Law had anything to do with them they shall surely die this being the Ministration of death. You bring up a very appropriate situation you search the scripture and he comes up with this verse on divorce:

Deuteronomy 24

24 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

Do you tell him this is the law he is under?

The OT suffered it to be so lawfully. Your gonna have a contradiction if you tell him he is under the Law of Moses on this subject. Best tell him to look to Christ.

The consequences of not walking up rightly are a separation from your relationship with God and a child of God should be able to feel this and want to change(from my experience).

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