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Adriel wrote: J. Gresham Machen. Christianity and Liberalism
CHRISTIANITY & LIBERALISM, page 178 And now there are some indications that the fiction of conformity to the past is to be thrown off, and the real meaning of what has been taking place is to be allowed to appear. The Church, it is now apparently supposed, has almost been educated up to the point where the shackles of the Bible can openly be cast away and the doctrine of the Cross of Christ can be relegated to the limbo of discarded subtleties.
Yet there is in the Christian life no room for despair. Only, our hopefulness should not be founded on the sand. It should be founded, not upon a blind ignorance of the danger, but solely upon the precious promises of God. Laymen, as well as ministers, should return, in these trying days, with new earnestness, to the study of the Word of God.
If the Word of God be heeded, the Christian battle will be fought both with love and with faithfulness. Party passions and personal animosities will be put away, but on the other hand, even angels from heaven will be rejected if they preach a gospel different from the blessed gospel of the Cross. Every man must decide upon which side he will stand. God grant that we may decide aright!
From article:- ""Revd Prof Iain Torrance, Convener of the Theological Forum said everyone in the Assembly was on â€śa spectrum of interpretationâ€ť, and suggested there was no theological reason not to allow ministers to conduct same-sex weddings""
"As a matter of fact, however, it may appear that the figure which has just been used is altogether misleading; it may appear that what the liberal theologian has retained after abandoning to the enemy one Christian doctrine after another is not Christianity at all, but a religion which is so entirely different from Christianity as to be long in a distinct category. It may appear further that the fears of the modern man as to Christianity were entirely ungrounded, and that in abandoning the embattled walls of the city of God he has fled in needless panic into the open plains of a vague natural religion only to fall an easy victim to the enemy who ever lies in ambush there." (J. Gresham Machen. Christianity and Liberalism)
From Article; ""The report, put forward by the influential Theological Forum, acknowledged that the Bible condemns same-sex acts, but claimed Scripture was framed by cultural context.""
= By this 'claim' the non-Christian Church of Scotland has revamped the Bible from Word of God - to make it the words of men. Thus they can now update the words to comply with more modern man.
Note; "This isnâ€™t to say that liberalism placed no value at all on the Bible. Certainly they had jettisoned any concept of inspiration or infallibility. But they still believed that beneath the husk of Scriptural form and myth (its cultural shape, virtually all supernatural events, angels and demons, etc.) was to be found the kernel of timeless truths that were foundational to right living." (Sam Storms)
"The liberal view of the Bible: a) it is a purely human book and thus full of errors and contradictions, moral absurdities and myths; b) its usefulness consists in its portrayal of people in whose lives God once worked; c) it is not inspired, but it is inspiring; - according to orthodoxy, inspiration is what God does to the Bible, whereas according to liberalism, inspiration is what the Bible does to us; d) the principle of accommodation is paramount in interpretation" (Sam Storms)
You might find this church interesting, John. It's against homosexuality. Well perhaps.
What a church --to avoid. Pentecostalism strikes again!
Mitch Weiss and Jeffrey Collins wrote: The AP's 18-month investigation , supported by on-the-record interviews with 43 members of the sect, found decades of physical and emotional abuse inside the church. They said congregants were punched, choked and thrown through walls as part of a violent form of deliverance meant to purify sinners.
Read more of AP's investigation of the Word of Faith Fellowship here: http://apne.ws/2lmuzDA
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Thanks to all for your contributions concerning the different denoms.
The last time I looked at the Confession of the Free Presbyterian Church of England and Wales (daughter church of Ulster) was when I attended one such for six months, and they held to the Westminster Standards, the KJV only, and would administer baptism for new converts in a mode acceptable to the baptee (sprinkling, pouring or immersion). They also taught their children the Catechism.
B. McCausland wrote: ...the WCF with some substandards in place
Interestingly the FPCOS and the FCC and the FPU all hold to Chapter XXV Of the Church VI.
'There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ. Nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself, in the Church, against Christ and all that is called God.'
Interestingly the American OPC have removed 'but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself, in the Church, against Christ and all that is called God.'
As the Church of Scotland jettisoned that belief they of course became ecumenical.
So anyone in the Church of Scotland reading this with a troubled conscience 'Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins' Rev 18.4, you can find a bible church in your beloved country still holding to the WCF and solidly evangelistic...
The Free Church of Scotland Continuing
The Free Pres Church of Scotland
The Free Pres Church of Ulster
'Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you' 2 Corinthains 6.17
BRF wrote: John UK I know we are mixing up different threads but in response to the other I should have said that I think the FPCS are the only church that by a synod decision that the only version allowed is the KJV. I think (again I could be wrong on this)that both FPU and the Free church continuing allow other translations to be used mainly the NIV. If I am wrong somebody will correct me. When they say that only the KJV is to be used they are not saying that the KJV is inspired English but that they believe it to be the most trust worthy version in English.
FPU stands for the sole use of the KJV and so the Free Church continuing. The FPU adheres to the WCF with some substandards in place
'I think (again I could be wrong on this)...the Free church continuing allow other translations to be used mainly the NIV.'
The Scots Free Church Continuing congregations use the KJV see broadcasters on here: http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermonssource.asp?keyword=Free+Ch+of+Scotland+%28C%29&denom=true
Their website is exclusively KJV and a link to the Trinitarian Bible Society website http://www.freechurchcontinuing.org/links/external-links/general-interest
Their denominational 'Witness' magazine is excellent http://www.freechurchcontinuing.org/publications/magazines/witness
Their evangelistic literature is KJV as is their Evangelist Donald J Morrison.
The website for the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland http://www.fpchurch.org.uk/we-are-closed-for-the-sabbath/
Both denominations would scholarly defend the Trinitarian Bible Society position with their Ministers involved within the Society http://www.tbsbibles.org/
Of course they would not banish any believer who turns up to worship who uses another Bible version, but the solid conviction is that the KJV is the most accurate English translation based on the RECIEVED TEXT, WCF I: 8, the doctrine of preservation of the biblical text, as opposed to the error of fundamentalist KJV'onlyism etc.
John UK I know we are mixing up different threads but in response to the other I should have said that I think the FPCS are the only church that by a synod decision that the only version allowed is the KJV. I think (again I could be wrong on this)that both FPU and the Free church continuing allow other translations to be used mainly the NIV. If I am wrong somebody will correct me.
When they say that only the KJV is to be used they are not saying that the KJV is inspired English but that they believe it to be the most trust worthy version in English.
WCF 20/3. They who, upon pretense of Christian liberty, do practice any sin, or cherish any lust, do thereby destroy the end of Christian liberty; which is, that, being delivered out of the hands of our enemies, we might serve the Lord without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.a
a. Luke 1:74-75; John 8:34; Gal 5:13; 1 Pet 2:16; 2 Pet 2:19.
""acknowledged that the Bible condemns same-sex acts, but claimed Scripture was framed by cultural context.""
Satan has blinded their hearts and minds. "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 2Cor 4:3/4.
This is no longer a Christian OR a Bible believing church, May the Lord rebuke them.
The United Kingdom of Sodom and Gomorrah is getting more and more satanic and depraved. God being consistent in His justice will destroy this country with fire and brimstone.
"Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
John UK wrote: I would be interested in why certain ones (like the FPC of Ulster) are not regarded as "true" Presbyterians.
The main differences between the FPU from the FPCS are as I understand it are:-
FPCS hold to the whole of the original and unmodified Westminster standards. It was the Free Churches weakening of the Westminster standards that brought the FPCS into being. The W/M standards are hardly known among FPU.
They are Pedo Baptist. FPU are Baptists.
The FPCS do not use musical instrument or human composed songs in their worship service. They certainly would not allow their women to sing solos in church services. They sing exclusively the Psalms. The FPU allow both.
Presbyterians are on the whole Post Mill, the FPU are Pre mill.
Church government is a big issue in Presbyterianism; Mr Paisley held to being the permanent Moderator (chair man of the synod) this is against Presbyterian church government principles. which requires that the Moderator be changed yearly.
There could be other issues but these are the main ones to my understanding.
BRF wrote: Actually John there is the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland which left the Free church over a hundred years ago because of the declension back then. This is not to be mistaken with the Ulster FPs who in reality are not true Presbyterians. The Free church continuing because of their continual protest which brought them into existence are actually going against the whole concept of Presbyterian church government and should have done as Rev H Cartwright did and join what is still the most faithful church in Scotland to the West minster standards.
Thanks BRF for that gracious correction and all the extra info about Prebyterianism in Scotland. I would be interested in why certain ones (like the FPC of Ulster) are not regarded as "true" Presbyterians.
Of course, I was limiting my comment to the Church of Scotland and its history of splits. There are other churches which I would regard as holding on to biblical truths on such issues as sodomy, women preachers, church structure etc. such as Reformed Baptists and some of the Brethren Assemblies.
John UK wrote: But certainly the Free Church of Scotland (continuing) is the only one left holding on to scripture and the old paths. May the Lord bless them.
Actually John there is the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland which left the Free church over a hundred years ago because of the declension back then. This is not to be mistaken with the Ulster FPs who in reality are not true Presbyterians. The Free church continuing because of their continual protest which brought them into existence are actually going against the whole concept of Presbyterian church government and should have done as Rev H Cartwright did and join what is still the most faithful church in Scotland to the West minster standards.
When the Church of Scotland started going apostate, some had to leave and form the Free Church of Scotland. When the Free Church of Scotland started going apostate, some had to leave and form the Free Church of Scotland (continuing).
I think that's how it happened, the Scottish believers can tell me if I got that wrong.
But certainly the Free Church of Scotland (continuing) is the only one left holding on to scripture and the old paths. May the Lord bless them.