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FRONT PAGE  |  1/28/2021
WEDNESDAY, MAY 24, 2017  |  20 comments  |  3 commentaries
UK terror threat level increased to critical in wake of Manchester Arena attack investigation
The last time that the UK threat level was critical was June 30 2007 - in the wake of the Glasgow airport car bombing.

The only time before that it was raised to critical - the highest possible level - was on June 30 2006 when a plot to kill thousands on 10 transatlantic flights from the UK was uncovered.

Anti-terror agencies have been working for the past 24 hours to work out if the suicide bomber who killed 22 and injured 120 more at the Ariana Grande pop concert last night was working alone - or as part of an organised terror cell. ...


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News Item5/25/17 2:28 PM
Carl haydock | England  Contact via emailFind all comments by Carl haydock
The bomb squad etc are 2 mins away from us in Wigan.
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News Item5/25/17 11:40 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Mike, this was a more sophisticated explosive device than the authorities were expecting. So, they were afraid more of them would be scattered around the city/country.
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Ok then. if it was more sophisticated than the authorities were expecting, what kind of e.d. were they expecting?

Imo, so far there has been nothing said that makes the device "more sophisticated." You have a psych degree, surely you know the method of defending when no one has attacked. The best defense is a good offense, so to speak. Calling the device sophisticated kind of gives excuse for not preventing its use. The reason it was missed is because authorities paid attention to people entering the stadium; no one to the leaving.

By the way, when they say it was more sophisticated, what does that mean to you in practical terms?

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News Item5/25/17 9:17 AM
penny  Find all comments by penny
Libya

was stable

qaddafi warned the west that they were going to be infiltrated by massive Islamic invasion.

not that he was going to do it, but that it was going to happen on the course of action the west was taking.

and so qaddafi, not a good man for his past deeds, but a nationalist who took care of his people, and was building a gold standard for Africa... was mutilated in the streets...

...by jihadists... who did the bidding of world chess players.

and then ambassador stevens was eliminated at Benghazi.

and arms went through turkey? to Syria?

and then "ISIS" "freedom fighters" in a "civil war" - invaded and destabilized eliminating Christians

...meanwhile the lobbies got on board and preached "multiculturalism" (which suddenly meant accepting sharia) and Wahhabi school was put into curriuculms, schools, mosques throughout west and the invasion was moved into Europe and US through the mechanisms of world chess players...

....who would sent brigades to Libya to pick these men up and bring them to their lands.

..and in turn this men would turn up in case after case of mass rapes, street brutality, would return to Libya, now in chaos, unleashed on britians streets

and so the wolf no longer bothered to wear sheep's clothing for the sheep no l

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News Item5/25/17 9:04 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike, this was a more sophisticated explosive device than the authorities were expecting. So, they were afraid more of them would be scattered around the city/country.

Apparently what was new was big mouth American authorities talking about what was going on before the British police could move in on some of the suspects.

See http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-40040210

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News Item5/25/17 8:52 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
--[URL=http://tinyurl.com/lbbp57f]]] http://tinyurl.com/lbbp57f (Authorities find bomb-making workshop in Abedi's home, officials say)[/URL]
See this article, Mike!
I saw it. The "sophisticated" aspect is what I question. Bomb in a back pack. Metal container. Stuffed with bolts and nails. This is new? Powerful Yuasa battery. Yes, a lead-acid which has been around for years, and commonly used in electronic equipment. They are hunting for a network. What do they need to know?

ISIS claims Salmanella as a "soldier of the caliphate." Of course there's a network. He went to Libya, and returned and made a bomb. His brother said he watched ISIS videos online, including bomb-making info, since 2015. Do the authorities really think someone else had to help him directly make it, because it was so...sophisticated?

Add this to
"Authorities tell.."
"Authorities suspect.."
"According to a terrorism expert.."
:investigators believe.."
"If true, it would be.."

Looks to me like a fuzzy and speculative article, designed to implement fear.

For more fun, take a look at the photo of the alleged backpack the looney "likely used." Anyone think a bomb of such magnitude would leave so much of its carrier intact?

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News Item5/25/17 12:30 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
ABC News wrote:
Authorities tell ABC News that they found a kind of bomb-making workshop in Salman Abedi’s home and he had apparently stockpiled enough chemicals to make additional bombs.

The hunt is intensifying for what British authorities suspect is a possible “network” behind the deadly suicide blast outside an Ariana Grande concert at Manchester Arena on Monday, officials say....

“I think it’s very clear that this is a network that we are investigating,” Ian Hopkins, chief constable of the Greater Manchester Police, said in a press briefing.

According to a terrorism expert who has been briefed on the investigation, the bomb featured a sophisticated design similar to the bombs used in the attacks in Brussels in 2016....

British officials expressed anger at American security officials over the leak to U.S. news media of Abedi's name hours after the attack, when they already realized he might have accomplices they needed to locate as fast as possible to prevent more lives being lost in a followup attack, one senior western official told ABC News today. [ ]

--[URL=http://tinyurl.com/lbbp57f]]] http://tinyurl.com/lbbp57f (Authorities find bomb-making workshop in Abedi's home, officials say)[/URL]
See this article, Mike!
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News Item5/24/17 5:25 PM
Carl haydock | England  Contact via emailFind all comments by Carl haydock
There was another arrest made in my small town of Wigan today. It was the next street to my kids school. It's scary stuff.
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News Item5/24/17 4:28 PM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
Please brethren be warned and aware.
Steve r jokes about children being raped in the Catholic Church in Australia, please don't engage him and encourage him.
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News Item5/24/17 4:20 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
And I would add, Adriel,
Alan Dershowitz wrote:
If we are to have any chance of reducing terrorism, we must get to its root cause. It is not poverty, disenfranchisement, despair or any of the other abuse excuses offered to explain, if not to justify, terrorism as an act of desperation. It is anything but. Many terrorists, such as those who participated in the 9/11 attacks, are educated, well-off, mobile and even successful. They make a rational cost-benefit decision to murder innocent civilians for one simple reason: they believe that terrorism works.

And tragically, they are right. The international community has rewarded terrorism while punishing those who try to fight it by reasonable means....The treatment of the Tibetans by China, the Kurds by most of the Arab world, and the Chechen people by Russia has been terrible – but their response to grievances has been largely ignored by the international community and the media because they mostly sought remedies within the law rather than through terrorism.

Other groups with grievances have learned from the success of Palestinian terrorism and have emulated the use of that barbaric tactic.

--[URL=http://www.jpost.com/printarticle.aspx?id=493775]]]http://tinyurl.com/lesyjvd (Terrorism persists be)[/URL]
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News Item5/24/17 3:42 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
From Article:-
""Anti-terror agencies have been working for the past 24 hours to work out if the suicide bomber who killed 22 and injured 120 more at the Ariana Grande pop concert last night was working alone - or as part of an organised terror cell.""

Now that the UK politicians and Liberalist socialists and friends have opened the doors to this culture of hate barbarity and hostility that is Muslim, The country will see this kind of murderous activity grow and expand.

The idea of integration or amalgamation of peoples from the east of this religion ignores the strength of commitment to their religious ideologies. What in effect they are allowing is the planting of a seed of a culture which hates all others and seeks to overcome them and take over.

The politicians and Liberalists are wrong and the nation will ultimately pay the price of Satan's religious reprobates.

Christ taught:
"John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."

"John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him."

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News Item5/24/17 3:36 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well, Mike, again, I'll just point you also to the Christian Science Monitor article:
wrote:
Who did it?...

Could the attack realistically have been stopped?...

Why target children?...

--[URL=http://tinyurl.com/jvqxfpb]]]http://tinyurl.com/jvqxfpb (Manchester attack: three questions to consider)[/URL]

I think the first and last question has been answered and in all likelihood the 2nd one can be as well. No.

You can also CSM's Terror quiz [URL=http://tinyurl.com/mwdz63y]]]http://tinyurl.com/mwdz63y (How much do you know about terrorism? Take the quiz.)[/URL]

Hey! I did better than the average reader anyway! on the quiz.

But no, Mike, one has to look to Israel for containing terrorist attacks, and I think they would agree controlling terrorist they don't have a perfect record.

Jpost wrote:
Netanyahu added that security forces are constantly fighting terrorism and prevented several attacks in recent days.

“Our forces will continue protecting Israelis around the clock,” he said....

Likud MK Oren Hazan took issue with media reports that the terrorist was mentally ill, saying, “A terrorist is a terrorist and must be eliminated.”

--[URL=http://tinyurl.com/n468cnj]]]http://tinyurl.com/n468cnj[/URL]
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News Item5/24/17 3:19 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Well, Mike, several experts thought it was more sophisticated than most attacks. There was planning put into it and the explosive device itself was not that simple.
---
Vivienne Clarke wrote:
"The terror attack on a concert in Manchester on Monday night was sophisticated and well planned, a terror expert has said.
At least 22 people were killed when a suicide bomber attacked fans leaving the Ariana Grande concert in the Manchester Arena. A further 60 people were hurt.
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“This person was more organised, the suicide vest, the explosives - whether made or bought,” he told BBC Radio 4."
---
Terror experts?
It was well planned because it didn't require sneaking into the concert. Tactic change, no sophistication needed. It's called adaptation. The experts call it sophistication to cover for the lack of prep for tactic change.

"More organised." Why? He had only to organize his thoughts. Same reason.

2. Sophisticated(of a machine, system, or technique) developed to a high degree of complexity.

A suicide bomber, nothing new or complex there. A bomb used after an event, that's a tactical change. Now the experts, too, will adapt, after the fact. And wait for the next sophisticated barbarian attack.

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News Item5/24/17 3:01 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Actually, SteveR, at least two people called police to warn him this fellow had dangerous beliefs several years ago, but as you might have seen in the Christian Science Monitor article in my first message, about the three things... police can only handle so much.

I believe in a sidebar of the Irish Times article, the father and younger brother were arrested in Libya. See, [URL=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/24/father-brother-manchester-bomber-arrested-libya/]]]http://tinyurl.com/l79h5bp (Father and brother of Manchester bomber arrested in Libya)[/URL]. It's beginning to look more and more like a family affair since yet another brother was arrested in England.

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News Item5/24/17 2:25 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Well, Mike, several experts thought it was more sophisticated than most attacks. There was planning put into it and the explosive device itself was not that simple. It certainly may have been a family affair in other words when it comes to doing this terrorist act.
--[URL=http://tinyurl.com/mke2omn]]]qhttp://tinyurl.com/mke2omn (Attack timed specifically to impact people leaving concert)[/URL]
So, SteveR, what you say may or may not be true, but it was done with more sophistication then the latest terrorist attacks have been done with, and with more people involved.
Isnt a sophisticated suicide vest in the UK best for attacking specific individuals? You don't have to be sophisticated to kill 22 kids. This guy could have become a substitute bus driver and killed more kids driving off a bridge. But you are right about the number of people who were involved. It must be frightening for the nay sayers to finally realize that so many muslims were involved and not one alerted authorities to the murder of so many innocent kids
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News Item5/24/17 1:48 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well, Mike, several experts thought it was more sophisticated than most attacks. There was planning put into it and the explosive device itself was not that simple. It certainly may have been a family affair in other words when it comes to doing this terrorist act.
Vivienne Clarke wrote:
The terror attack on a concert in Manchester on Monday night was sophisticated and well planned, a terror expert has said.

At least 22 people were killed when a suicide bomber attacked fans leaving the Ariana Grande concert in the Manchester Arena. A further 60 people were hurt.

Former head of the UK’s national counter terrorism office, Chris Philips, told BBC Radio 4 that the immediate concern for police will be to identify the person who carried out the suicide attack and any possible accomplices.

“This person was more organised, the suicide vest, the explosives - whether made or bought,” he told BBC Radio 4.

--[URL=http://tinyurl.com/mke2omn]]]qhttp://tinyurl.com/mke2omn (Attack timed specifically to impact people leaving concert)[/URL]
So, SteveR, what you say may or may not be true, but it was done with more sophistication then the latest terrorist attacks have been done with, and with more people involved.
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News Item5/24/17 12:23 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
Mike wrote:
"Home Secretary Amber Rudd said: "[Monday's attack] was more sophisticated than some of the attacks we've seen before, and it seems likely - possible - that he wasn't doing this on his own."'
Ok, I'll bite. What is "more sophisticated" about a guy blowing himself up in the foyer of a stadium? Even barbarians can figure out if one thing won't work, try another.
imo- It was a sophisticated threat, not a sophisticated attack

The largest terror incident, next to Bishopgate, in post WW2 history occurred in Manchester, when the IRA detonated a 3000 lb bomb in the city. The IRA warned the city, and 75k people were evacuated. ISIL by making this small attack in Manchester is threatening an IRA scale type bomb, but they wont warn officials like the IRA did

imo- that's why the UK pulled the panic button and put 1000s of soldiers in the streets. I think ISIL made a demand, and this is the first of several attacks if the UK doesn't cooperate

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News Item5/24/17 12:06 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"Home Secretary Amber Rudd said: "[Monday's attack] was more sophisticated than some of the attacks we've seen before, and it seems likely - possible - that he wasn't doing this on his own."'

Ok, I'll bite. What is "more sophisticated" about a guy blowing himself up in the foyer of a stadium? Even barbarians can figure out if one thing won't work, try another.

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News Item5/24/17 11:53 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
The only comment I will make is a quote from Grandpa Munster on an episode of the Munsters Television Series: "That's right Herman, your next step should be skid row. But with President Johnson wiping out poverty a bum like you has got no place to go.".
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News Item5/24/17 10:54 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Arthur Bright wrote:
Why target children? The most upsetting aspect of the Manchester attack is that it targeted an event primarily attended by the teenage and pre-teen girls that make up Ms. Grande’s fan base. That’s likely not an accident. Terrorist attacks in Europe have becoming disturbingly familiar, enough so that they sometimes fail to shock an evermore inured public....

All these attacks were tragic, and no victim is worth less than any other. But from the perspective of terrorists who are trying to stir anger and fear across Europe, the more familiar attacks become, the less effective they are. A terrorist act that provokes a stoic response is a failure.

--[URL=http://tinyurl.com/jvqxfpb]]]http://tinyurl.com/jvqxfpb (Manchester attack: three questions to consider)[/URL]

This attack may not have been completely by a lone wolf and that he may have had a support group? [URL=http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40032504]]] http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40032504 [/URL] ---' Home Secretary Amber Rudd said: "[Monday's attack] was more sophisticated than some of the attacks we've seen before, and it seems likely - possible - that he wasn't doing this on his own."'

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News Item5/24/17 6:12 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
ABC News Radio wrote:
Following Monday's bombing that killed 22 and injured 59 at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, England, there are currently no plans to make significant security changes in the United States, according to a Department of Homeland Security official.

The DHS official said that the federal security posture in the U.S. is already at high levels and that there is not much more to be done in the aftermath of the attack, allegedly carried out by 22-year-old Salman Abedi with an improvised explosive device outside the concert at the Manchester Arena.

The official did insist that federal authorities will continually assess whether any new measures are warranted.

--[URL=http://abcnewsradioonline.com/national-news/dhs-official-no-plans-to-change-security-measures-following.html]]]http://tinyurl.com/kblmv9d (DHS official: No plans to change security measures following Manchester attack)[/URL]
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