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FRONT PAGE  |  1/18/2021
MONDAY, MAY 22, 2017  |  20 comments
Alabama lawmakers approve Confederate monument protections

Alabama lawmakers of Friday approved sweeping protections for Confederate monuments, names and other historic memorials, as some Southern cities rethink the appropriateness of keeping such emblems on public property.

The measure "would prohibit the relocation, removal, alteration, renaming, or other disturbance of any architecturally significant building, memorial building, memorial street, or monument" that has stood on public property for 40 or more years," it reads. Changes to names or memorials installed between 20 and 40 years ago would need permission from a new state commission.

African-American lawmakers opposed the bill at every step of the legislative process, saying argued that solidifies a shameful legacy of slavery. ...


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News Item7/8/17 10:49 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
ABC News Radio wrote:
Charlottesville Police said they used pepper spray to disperse crowds as they moved back toward Justice Park and after they released three canisters of tear gas, the crowd began to leave.
Three individuals were transported to hospitals, two for heat-related issues and one person for an alcohol-related issue, police said.
--[URL=http://krvn.com/abc_national/protesters-clash-with-ku-klux-klan-at-rally-in-virginia-over-robert-e-lee-statue-abcid35937761/]]]Protesters clash with Ku Klux Klan at rally in Virginia over Robert E. Lee statue[/URL]

Time to bring back Prohibition.

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News Item5/24/17 9:07 PM
Country Boy | Alabama  Find all comments by Country Boy
Yes!! THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!!!!
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News Item5/23/17 8:11 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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1) So, most people in the Union thought what they did was treason,
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Sorry Jim, it should be obvious that treason cannot be defined by the uninformed, then or now.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
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2) Must have been some copperhead Republicans ancestors of the present GOP.
What I remember they wanted business as usual to return to the South so they could make their bucks as well.
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Sorry Jim, the Copperheads were northern Democrats.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
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3} Robert E. Lee was probably the least objectionable of the traitors --still-- to the U.S.A.
Sorry Jim, see point #1
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News Item5/23/17 5:08 PM
kjg | Amerika  Find all comments by kjg
The president, to whom I am referring, is Abraham Lincoln the necromancer.
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News Item5/23/17 4:40 PM
kjg | Amerika  Find all comments by kjg
I would rather have Lee, a man of Christian faith, on my side rather than a president who participated in Mary Todd's seances.
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News Item5/23/17 4:17 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The mayor of New Orleans made a great statement and of course it was fine that thse statues were taken down, So, most people in the Union thought what they did was treason,
History Channel wrote:
Imprisoned for two years at Fort Monroe, Virginia, Davis was indicted for treason, but was never tried–the federal government feared that Davis would be able prove to a jury that the Southern secession of 1860 to 1861 was legal. Varina worked determinedly to secure his freedom, and in May 1867 Jefferson Davis was released on bail, with several wealthy Northerners helping him pay for his freedom.
--[URL=http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/jefferson-davis-captured]]]Jefferson Davis captured[/URL]

Must have been some copperhead Republicans ancestors of the present GOP.

What I remember they wanted business as usual to return to the South so they could make their bucks as well.

A good article about Jeff Davis, [URL=http://tinyurl.com/kujcotp]]]http://tinyurl.com/kujcotp (Jefferson Davis: The Confederacy’s first, worst and only president)[/URL]

Robert E. Lee was probably the least objectionable of the traitors --still-- to the U.S.A.

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News Item5/23/17 11:14 AM
kjg | Amerika  Find all comments by kjg
No charges of treason against Lee.

"More than a hundred years later, in 1970, an archivist at the National Archives discovered Lee's Amnesty Oath among State Department records (reported in Prologue, Winter 1970). Apparently Secretary of State William H. Seward had given Lee's application to a friend as a souvenir, and the State Department had pigeonholed the oath.

In 1975, Lee's full rights of citizenship were posthumously restored by a joint congressional resolution effective June 13, 1865.

At the August 5, 1975, signing ceremony, President Gerald R. Ford acknowledged the discovery of Lee's Oath of Allegiance in the National Archives and remarked: "e;General Lee's character has been an example to succeeding generations, making the restoration of his citizenship an event in which every American can take pride."

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News Item5/23/17 10:20 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Msy I remind you, Mike,
New Orleans removes monument to Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee)[/URL].
I would also note, Lee probably freed his slaves because he knew his plantation would be in jeopardy when a war started. It was, It was turned into Arlington National Cemetery. It should be pointed out, Gen. Grant protected General Lee's wife in Richmond by posting a sentry at her door.
So, Union generals were as chivalrous as any rebel ones.
Nice shuffle, but irrelevant to the issue of treason. Keep dancing, Jim.
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News Item5/23/17 10:07 AM
pennelope  Find all comments by pennelope
cultural Marxists erase history so that there is no identity among the people.

the civil war was more than they are telling in the approved history books and the results are still playing out.

but as long as we don't call what is happening "slavery" we can tear down the old monuments and call ourselves progressives.

a strong people will remember their history with eyes wide open, the good, the bad, and the ugly

but cultural Marxists aim to cut the roots from the young so that they can be molded into their new agendas.

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News Item5/23/17 9:23 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Msy I remind you, Mike,
Janell Ross wrote:
Mayor Mitch Landrieu marked the historic moment with a rousing speech that sought to end nearly two years of heated debate in the city over what the monuments said about its past.

“They are not just innocent remembrances of a benign history. These monuments celebrate a fictional, sanitized Confederacy ignoring the death, ignoring the enslavement, ignoring the terror that it actually stood for,” Landrieu said, adding that Lee and the Confederate army fought against the United States. “They may have been warriors, but in this cause they were not patriots.”

--[URL=http://tinyurl.com/ltlwhep]]]http://tinyurl.com/ltlwhep (‘They were not patriots’: New Orleans removes monument to Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee)[/URL].

I would also note, Lee probably freed his slaves because he knew his plantation would be in jeopardy when a war started. It was, It was turned into Arlington National Cemetery. It should be pointed out, Gen. Grant protected General Lee's wife in Richmond by posting a sentry at her door.

So, Union generals were as chivalrous as any rebel ones.

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News Item5/22/17 6:44 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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I have mixed feelings about Bob Lee, he still was a traitor to his country.
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Revisionists can't remember this was nation of States. Legally it still is. You apparently don't know the constitutional definition, which is the only definition of treason, either.(Article 3, Section 3) It fits Abe better than Lee, because Abe levied war against the States, referred to in the Cons. as "them," not "it." Words mean things.
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News Item5/22/17 4:53 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | BeLeePlea  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Adriel wrote:
I am no fan of statues of anybody but this latest removal of Confederate statues is a memorial itself of political correctness. The reason why people such as Lee were remembered in this way is because of their courage and fortitude in the Civil War. These memorials were erected by people who commemorated courage - NOT the so called racism which modern ideology accuses them of. This is actually an insult both to the military personnel and to the historic peoples of America.

The religion of Lee -

tinysa.com/sermon/1221613375510

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Undoubtedly General Robert E. Lee
was one of the
greatest and godliest men that has ever lived.
This message demonstrates his
Christian character in every avenue of his life.
His application of the Word of God to money,
compassion,
justice, and
every day life is exemplary in every aspect.
May God be pleased to raise up men like unto him

tinysa.com/sermon/11250214330

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Those confused over Lee's Allegience to his State will be challenged over their Allegience to the 1 world government vs the "outdated"US-
A "treason"to beastly World government vs anachronistic Allegience to nationalism will mirror Lee's opponents.
Lee was a failed early " Brexiter"

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News Item5/22/17 4:15 PM
kjg | Amerika  Find all comments by kjg
Adriel,
👍. Thumb's up
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News Item5/22/17 4:13 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
All these particular statues were monuments to racism, and treachery! You can read the links in this article,
Mississippi state Rep. Karl Olive wrote:
The destruction of these monuments, erected in the loving memory of our family and fellow Southern Americans, is both heinous and horrific. If the, and I use this term extremely loosely, “leadership” of Louisiana wishes to, in a Nazi-ish fashion, burn books or destroy historical monuments of OUR HISTORY, they should be LYNCHED! Let it be known, I will do all in my power to prevent this from happening in our State.
--[URL=http://tinyurl.com/m76hkqt]]]http://tinyurl.com/m76hkqt (Lawmaker apologizes after saying leaders ‘should be LYNCHED’ for removing Confederate statues)[/URL].

I have mixed feelings about Bob Lee, he still was a traitor to his country.

Mike, I thought people like the article about Gen. Butler, he certainly had his good and bad points, just Andrew Jackson has had his, I hope they leave his statue up, not only because of the Battle of New Orleans, but he was a Unionist who stopped the South Carolina when they tried to revolt about 30 years before the Civil War, so he was a hero for that reason.

Anyway, read all about Butler and not bits and pieces about him. :thumbs

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News Item5/22/17 3:13 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
I am no fan of statues of anybody but this latest removal of Confederate statues is a memorial itself of political correctness. The reason why people such as Lee were remembered in this way is because of their courage and fortitude in the Civil War. These memorials were erected by people who commemorated courage - NOT the so called racism which modern ideology accuses them of. This is actually an insult both to the military personnel and to the historic peoples of America.
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News Item5/22/17 12:16 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
I am a supporter of confederate monuments. And I am stating that as one who resides north of the Mason-Dixon Line and one who is not racist.
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News Item5/22/17 7:58 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
You know what they should have done in New Orleans was put up a statue to [URL= https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/the-beast-in-the-big-easy/?_r=0]]] http://tinyurl.com/m3ot7cu (General Benjamin Butler)[/URL] and also to Admiral Farragut. Certainly better replacements for the statues of Lee and Beauregard.
From your link:
"But Butler’s biggest challenge came the following spring, with the occupation of New Orleans. Though the city was a mishmash of races, languages and cultures, it bore a sharp anti-Union sentiment, particularly against the occupying forces.
A week before Butler arrived, a New Orleanian named William Mumford led a group of men in taking down the American flag from the Mint building and ripping it to shreds. Butler quickly took draconian measures to subdue the people. He charged Mumford with treason for tearing up the flag, and a hastily convened military court convicted him and sentenced him to death."

Quite the hero you have there Jim. A murderer clueless about the Constitutional definition of treason. (like many in Washington today, btw)

Appointed to be a general, no wonder his Napoleon-like behavior came out.

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News Item5/22/17 7:45 AM
kjg | Amerika  Find all comments by kjg
Jim,

Robert E Lee was an honorable man who disliked slavery and freed his slaves at the start of the war. Whereas, Grant kept his slaves throughout the war. Lee was respected by Union and Confederate veterans.

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News Item5/22/17 7:07 AM
ken | Tenn  Find all comments by ken
Jim Lincoln wrote:
You know what they should have done in New Orleans was put up a statue to [URL= https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/the-beast-in-the-big-easy/?_r=0]]] http://tinyurl.com/m3ot7cu (General Benjamin Butler)[/URL] and also to Admiral Farragut. Certainly better replacements for the statues of Lee and Beauregard.
How is it that you want to replace statues of Christian men with those of thieves and worse?
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News Item5/22/17 1:44 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
You know what they should have done in New Orleans was put up a statue to [URL= https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/the-beast-in-the-big-easy/?_r=0]]] http://tinyurl.com/m3ot7cu (General Benjamin Butler)[/URL] and also to Admiral Farragut. Certainly better replacements for the statues of Lee and Beauregard.
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