Christians Urged to Pull Children From Public Schools
The warning was clear: Christian parents should pull their children out of public schools, now, to protect them from spiritual damage, extreme indoctrination, and other serious problems. Pastors and churches should work to encourage that â€śexodus,â€ť helping and encouraging families to put their kids in homeschools or private Christian schools as quickly as possible. The alternative will be the continued decline of the church in America and an acceleration of the nation's decline. That was the explosive message of an evangelical ministry leader speaking as a guest this week on one of America's top Christian radio programs.
Dr. James Dobson, one of the nation's most influential Christian leaders and a former public-school teacher, hosted the discussion on his national radio program focusing on the spiritual danger of allowing children to sit in secular or even anti-God public schools for over a...
I want to say that some people get saved with a lot of debt and can't homeschool or do private school. Some mom's end up being saved single or a husband dumps them making it impossible to homeschool or do private school. I think fellow believers should step in and help financially. Public school is dangerous. It has changed since I attended. Can't put your kids in. If u can help out a believer in this area do it. It may cost you a vacation or something else. If you do it to the least of these then you did it to Christ.
and I know families where both parents work and not making it and many who don't have kids cuz can't afford, so I do not judge people harshly on this matter. the church has lost most of the working class already for these reasons.
Joe Bob wrote: .. most if not all the homeschool mothers .. left a career in order to stay home because they felt it was the right thing to do. In other words the new cars, boats, vacations, etc were worth the sacrifice to follow their convictions. What is interesting to those of us who have gone this route is to listen to our fellow christian public school families who have all the newest trappings of the world but say they can't afford to do anything but go the public school route. They are not fooling us and are most certainly not fooling the LORD
Yes, it is a matter of values and prioritization, that comes down to the issue of serving two 'masters': "for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon" 'Mammon' can represent un-sanctified self-centered interests driven by "the treasure a person trusts in" _
Adriel Any child reared within a humanist or secularized frame of mind, will show 'gaps' in his/her value system which will undermine in their perception the uttermost importance of heavenly things. This is why the proverb states that a child's soul can be delivered from the pitfalls of destruction by proper correction. Pr 23:14 May cont
B. McCausland wrote: Especially when mothers stay at home. In the rather socialistic Western context, some men's salaries might not exceed the provision of the mere minimums life entails. Seeing the state has taken as the 'provider' in most works of charity, the church could take in to support families in such predicament. After all, evangelizing the world should come second to discipling our own. Only a suggestion "if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith"
Yes, most if not all the homeschool mothers in our area left a career in order to stay home because they felt it was the right thing to do. In other words the new cars, boats, vacations, etc were worth the sacrifice to follow their convictions. What is interesting to those of us who have gone this route is to listen to our fellow christian public school families who have all the newest trappings of the world but say they can't afford to do anything but go the public school route. They are not fooling us and are most certainly not fooling the LORD.
Joe Bob wrote: .. the christian homeschool families are normally closer to the poverty line then the public school families.
Especially when mothers stay at home. In the rather socialistic Western context, some men's salaries might not exceed the provision of the mere minimums life entails. Seeing the state has taken as the 'provider' in most works of charity, the church could take in to support families in such predicament. After all, evangelizing the world should come second to discipling our own.
Only a suggestion
"if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he has denied the faith"
(TMC) @Adriel: Youâ€™re creating straw men. Itâ€™s been clearly stated that education (either Public or Homeschool) does not effect election. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps single and low income Homeschooling families Trust God for BOTH their Childrenâ€™s Salvation AND their Finances?
@US: Excellent post!
@Joe Bob: Totally agree! Personaly, I donâ€™t know a single homeschool family that is â€śwealthyâ€ť by the worldâ€™s standards!
Having been in the homeschool world for 22 years it has been so ironic to see who does and does not homeschool. Who claims financial woes and who does not. In other words, in our community the christian homeschool families are normally closer to the poverty line then the public school families.
Adriel wrote: 1. ... home schooling does not guarantee salvation 2. .. circumstances .. prevent homeschooling, for example. poverty and lack of education and ability to teach 3. However some people live in a perfect world.
Adriel, just trying to help with some small observations about the matter:
1. Neither the preaching of the Word guarantees a 100 hold response. See, the parable of the sower shows that one 1 in 4 will believe. Would this mean we should not preach? We sow in faith, but God brings the outcome
2. Where there is a will there is a way: but this not in the sense humanism holds it, but because God honours faith. E.g. Moses' parents kept him 'by faith' for three months, till God was pleased to intervene. "By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment"
God has promised that he would honour those that honour him. "for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed" and these words were addressed to a failing father
3. We all live in an imperfect world to fulfill a perfect will God has for each one of us. -
US Your rationale in the last post was excellent. Thanks
Hi US, I hope you have been doing good. Good points. We're expected to use our common sense in daily life, and do the best we can to protect ourselves and children. Reminds me of some extreme Charismatic groups in the south who gather to allow themselves to be bitten by poisonous snakes, or some familys who, instead of seeking medical attention for a gravely ill or injured child, insist on prayer only, instead of the healing knowledge God has provided. We can't jump off a cliff and pray on the way down to be saved, or allow a child to be exposed to whatever and expect God to sort it out, etc. We have to use our common sense and do our best to protect, etc., in this ever increasingly wicked world
Adriel, I was wondering when you would finally notice!
Probably one should talk to some homeschooling parents, to see what it takes, and see [URL=http://www.home-school.com/groups/]]]http://www.home-school.com/groups (Homeschool World: Homeschool Organizations and Support Groups)[/URL]
However, if you're already going to a conservative church you probably sitting next to you in the pew, so it should be easy to ask.
---As a general rule---
Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.---ESV
Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary wrote: Proverbs 22:6:
Â Â Â 6. Trainâ€”initiate, or early instruct. Â Â Â the wayâ€”literally, "his way," that selected for him in which he should go; for early training secures habitual walking in it.
Should be a part of universal home schooling of every child!
Seems to me there are a few folks around here who cannot trust God?? BTW Can I just point out (In the fervent hope that my terrible views will not be deleted again) - that home schooling does not guarantee salvation. There are various circumstances which prevent homeschooling, for example. poverty and lack of education and ability to teach. However some people live in a perfect world.
(TMC) @Penny and Anne: Thanks! @Adriel: Education does not determine oneâ€™s â€śelectnessâ€ť. Neither does gang-banging. Should we send our kids to hang out alone with gangsters? Public school wonâ€™t keep them from getting saved- but it will very likely saddle them with a lot of scars, baggage, and regrets if they do get saved. Going into ALL the world, includes your home! Discipling is based on relationships- paratrooper style evangelism is not what we see Paul practising in the NT, where he would spend years establishing churches. â€śAs the Junior High Turnsâ€ť is not a healthy enviroment for building lasting relationships. Take your kids with you as you build relationships with the broken world, and you will be discipling both them AND the world, instead of either/or.
Mike wrote: Your final statement kind of diminishes those that led up to it. Those that led up to it are "What, me worry?" The final is "Go and make disciples"
This is a smart observation. Quite often unbalanced practice follows 'fixed doctrinal positions' or out-on-a-limb outlooks After all, we know in part: say what it has been revealed to us does not include perfectly 'the how' of God working all things. Ecc 11:5 "As thou know not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou know not the works of God who makes all" _
Sorry, Adriel, that my previous response to yours was a rushed one. God works in us to perform and to will his perfect pleasure, which includes the training of our children by passing to them a *biblical* world view, not a humanistic one.
"For it is God which works in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure"
One keeps tender plants in a green house in order to build them up as sturdy specimens before they are exposed to the rough elements
Adriel wrote: God placed His servants the elect in this fallen world. We are *all* sinners and totally depraved unworthy of salvation. God on many occasions has placed His Elect in the "hands" of unbelieving parents - Do you consider that to be an error of God? YET God saves all His elect - Guaranteed. Why then are you worried about the worlds education system? You appear to be implying that it can defeat God's purpose for His Elect!!! We are surrounded by sinners who serve Satan and will be going to hell. What effect can they have upon GOD's ELECTION??? Does education have anything to do with God's election and HIS power to save. Does education have anything adverse to do with the resurrected crucified Christ? Many Many Christians are saved by God in adult life - not childhood. Thus THEIR education has zero effect upon their election. Christians of all ages are sent to witness to a fallen and reprobate world - You can't do that if you hide at home.
Your final statement kind of diminishes those that led up to it. Those that led up to it are "What, me worry?" The final is "Go and make disciples"
Dt6:7-Gill notes"Verse 7. And thou shall teach them diligently unto thy children,"Care and diligence are to be used, and pains taken, to instruct children, as soon as they are capable, in the knowledge of God, and of his commandments; that they are to love him, fear him, serve, and worship him; this is to bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, Eph 6:4, it may be rendered "thou shalt whet or sharpen them" , the words or commandments; it is expressive of diligence and industry in teaching, by frequent repetition of things, by inculcating them continually into their minds, endeavouring to imprint them there, that they may be sharp, ready, and expert in them: "and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house;" at the time of meals, or at leisure hours, or even when employed in any business in the house which will admit of it; every opportunity should be taken to instil the knowledge of divine things into their tender minds: "and when thou walkest by the way;" in a journey,and any of his children with him; or for diversion, in the garden, field, or vineyard; occasion may be taken on sight of any of the works of creation to lead into a discourse concerning God, his nature, perfections, and works,and the obligations his creatures lie under to love.."