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FRONT PAGE  |  3/22/2019
THURSDAY, MAR 9, 2017  |  98 comments  |  1 commentary
‘Quoting King James Bible abusive and criminal’, court hears

A public prosecutor told a judge that quoting the King James Bible in modern British society must be considered “abusive” and “criminal”, it has emerged.

Ian Jackson made the remarks at Bristol Magistrates’ Court during a four-day trial involving two Christian street preachers.

Jackson is also reported to have said believing that Christ is the only way to God “cannot be a truth”.


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News Item3/26/17 6:57 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
Ignominious Emirakan wrote:
the most accurate Bible in our own language (In English, it is the KJV)
1. Ancient Hebrew, as a language,only existed in the Scriptures. Before the Scriptures...Ancient Hebrew just did not exist. For a 1,000 years Hebrew was the only written language God used to communicate with until the Aramaic language resulted from a mix of the Hebrew with the Persian with Hebrew LOSING its picture-language character which unfaithful scribes being the culprit. So about 150 B.C. God altered the primary language to Greek.

2.Paul wrote to Rome in Greek...not in their tongue Latin.

Hidden away in Constantinople were Greek manuscripts for a thousand years until 1450 which would be the ones which William Tyndale would translate the NT. Yes he used others but his comments of "The Greek tongue agreeth more with the English than with the Latin. And the properties of the Hebrew tongue agreeth a thousand times more than with the Latin."

3. As Ancient Hebrew was not a language, neither was English in the form which Tyndale would begin with to translate God's Word(Zeph 3:9).Tyndale sought to shape English to best express the picture language character Ancient Hebrew has and once again God's Word was in a picture language.

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News Item3/26/17 2:11 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
James Thomas wrote:
I would be curious of what evidence has lead you to arrive at your conclusion that the KJV is the most accurate translation?
We respectfully disagree with John UK, James, and I would suggest you read [URL=http://web.archive.org/web/20071012194730/faith.propadeutic.com/conclusions.html]]]Comparing Bible Translations--Conclusions[/URL] and I would also suggest that you see John MacArthur's [URL=http://articles.ochristian.com/article2148.shtml]]]The Biblical Position on the King James Version Controversy[/URL].

If you have at least a comparative Bible with the KJV to translate it into English, that would be fine of course also. Why there aren't more helps out for the KJV as there are for Shakespeare's plays to make them comprehensible to the modern reader is a shame that isn't explained adequately.

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News Item3/26/17 1:52 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
James Thomas wrote:
I haven't Bro. I did try the site. That's Interesting.
I hope you are doing well. God's blessing to you.
I am doing well bro thank you. It was the Trinitarian Bible Society which helped me to a balanced understanding of the accuracy of the KJV compared to the other versions. They have plenty of articles on the subject.

Tomorrow I am going to order some hymnbooks from them. They are called "The Psalms of David in Metre".

Every blessing to you also.

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News Item3/26/17 1:35 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
John UK wrote:
Saint James,
Did you ever hear of a website which is closed down on the Lord's Day? Try this one before Monday:-
http://www.tbsbibles.org/
I haven't Bro. I did try the site. That's Interesting.

I hope you are doing well. God's blessing to you.

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News Item3/26/17 1:29 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
James Thomas to I.E. wrote:
I would be curious of what evidence has lead you to arrive at your conclusion that the KJV is the most accurate translation?
Saint James,

Did you ever hear of a website which is closed down on the Lord's Day? Try this one before Monday:-

http://www.tbsbibles.org/

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News Item3/26/17 11:28 AM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
Ignominious Emirakan wrote:
God expects us to find the most accurate Bible in our own language (In English, it is the King James Bible)
I would be curious of what evidence has lead you to arrive at your conclusion that the KJV is the most accurate translation?
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News Item3/26/17 9:44 AM
A wise Doctor's prescription  Find all comments by A wise Doctor's prescription
'James White says...

Doug Kutilek says..

Jim Lincoln blah, blah ...'

Yet in 1961 Martyn Lloyd Jones got it right "What we must do is to educate the masses of the people up to the Bible, not bring the Bible down to their level."

'I present the following from Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones not to condemn new translations, but to share this eminent Reformed pastor’s thoughts on the subject before the present era of Bible translations.
He did prove to be correct on this subject. The modern Bible era has not produced a more Biblically literate Christian. Indeed, studies show Christians are even more ignorant of the Bible today than they were in 1961 when Dr. Lloyd-Jones made these comments. The problem of Biblical illiteracy among English speaking Christians has never really been due to the King James Version.'

see article

https://www.theauthorizedversion.com/dr-martyn-lloyd-jones-and-the-authorized-king-james-version/

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News Item3/14/17 8:49 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Wordsolid  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Moses wrote:
..Preservation .,Daniel

Modern Bibles( in Any language )
Vs for example
German Luther's or Geneva(English)
-see if you'd cut out
Mat 17:21;Mat18:11;Mat 23:14
Mk7:16;Mk9:44;
Mk9:46 ;Mk11:26
Mk15:28;Lk17:36
Lk23:17;Jn5:4
Act8:37 ;Act15:34
Act24:7;Acts 28:29
Rm16:24;1 John 5:7

Excised from many corrupt works vs the Geneva Bible- a preserved Bible that is a great work.
Some other Bibles DO include these verses that are in my German Luther's Bible
I thus feel fine when I use
a Geneva Bible(English)& or a German Luther's Bible-my copy is in the old Gothic font for both, but that was how I learned to read German-
a font change, or updated German spelling from Luther is not a strike against Preservation.
So if your Chinese Bible has these verses- u have a text that is not corrupt. Or if a Swahili Bible translates the account of the fiery furnace as a vision of "the Son of the gods", as one pastor on SA noted- the congregation may start looking for a version that matches the Geneva English. Dan3:25b
".., and the form of the fourth is like the son of God. "
The African congregation looked for a decent translation when this fault was noticed.

Preservation worldwide till the end
Rev 6:9- the word endures.

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News Item3/14/17 4:39 PM
Moses | Los Angeles  Find all comments by Moses
Numerics overrated wrote:
In case you didn't know. Inspiration and preservation are not the same. Also the Bible is in several other languages than English. God did not inspire the translators of the KJV. We would have an accurate English version if the KJV had never been published
Both Inspiration and Preservation are the work of God: and he does according to his will and no one can question what he is doing or what he does: Daniel 4:35.

So, obviously the modernist’s dainty little box is too tiny for God’s majestic work of preservation and inspiration

Finally....., modern bible only believers will never ever going to have a perfect bible in their very own hands.

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News Item3/14/17 9:09 AM
Numerics overrated  Find all comments by Numerics overrated
In case you didn't know. Inspiration and preservation are not the same. Also the Bible is in several other languages than English. God did not inspire the translators of the KJV. We would have an accurate English version if the KJV had never been published
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News Item3/14/17 8:45 AM
Ignominious Emirakan | Actuary  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
tinysa.com/sermon/59151540109
Dr Vaugh had analogy of throwing out a microscope by a tribal chief when he saw all the critters in water. " don't toss out baby with tub"
Books I have-read & like-
1.Bible Numerics- Oswald T. Allis
2.The Bible Itself a Miracle- John C Banks
3.Number in Scripture- Bullinger(his # concepts go into more speculative associations
4.Biblical Numerology - John J Davis (Baker Book House)
5. The Numerical Structure of
scripture - R.W. Grant
6. Many Infallible Proofs- Dr Henry M Morris(1974)- in which Dr Whitcomb& Dr Charles Ryrie are noted as cautionary about taking the # designs TOO seriously.
7.Panin's papers(Vaugh ref link)
Part of apologetics can be titles intentionally provocative to reply to pagan "numerology"- showing a Design with the Creator's plan in the Bible as reply to those devoted to esoteric hidden things. Above books all make a point that the Bible is clear- and that "spooky gnostic concepts " are not the point of God's mystery. His mystery is revealed in Christ Jesus.

Henry M. Morris, Ph.D. 1996. Should Creationists Abandon The King James Version?. Acts & Facts. 25 (6).

http://www.icr.org/article/should-creationists-abandon-king-james-version/

A good short overview of preservation principle practically propounded.

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News Item3/14/17 6:50 AM
Moses | Los Angeles  Find all comments by Moses
numerics overrated wrote:
This has nothing to do with the mind of God, it is an attempt to put the mind of man, you, back into reality and truth.
The Reality and Truth are these that God did not delegate the task of preserving His word to man. He said He will keep it and preserve it Psalm 12:6-7

He uses holy men as his instruments but the preservation of his words is the work of the holy infinite mind of God and thus he declares that His Way is far higher than the frailty finite mind of man. Remember the task of preserving God's word, so important, belongs to God

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News Item3/14/17 5:23 AM
numerics overrated  Find all comments by numerics overrated
Moses wrote:
Oh,... man's desire to put the infinite mind of God in his dainty little box

Isaiah 55:8-11
This has nothing to do with the mind of God, it is an attempt to put the mind of man, you, back into reality and truth.
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News Item3/14/17 12:52 AM
Moses | Los Angeles  Find all comments by Moses
numerics overrated wrote:
To Moses, may I suggest the following research for your edification
Verbal plenary inspiration
https://carm.org/what-is-verbal-plenary-inspiration-of-the-bible
The Canon of Scripture
https://www.gotquestions.org/canon-of-Scripture.html
They had restrictions given them by King James not the Holy Spirit
http://www.kjvonly.org/other/kj_instructs.htm
KJV preface, they did not believe they were inspired
http://www.kjvbibles.com/kjpreface.htm
Marginal references in original KJV show alternate words which would not be needed if they only choose words God inspired them to choose
http://www.bible.ca/kjv-1611-version-margin-notes-judges-19-2.jpg
Oh,... man's desire to put the infinite mind of God in his dainty little box

Isaiah 55:8-11
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News Item3/13/17 8:04 PM
TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic  Find all comments by TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic
LET'S ALL TAKE THE KJV OVER THE DEVIL'S HIVs NASBs NIVs &
ETC. !

"THIS (KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE) BOOK OF THE LAW SHALL NOT DEPART OUT OF THY MOUTH; BUT THOU SHALT MEDITATE THEREIN DAY AND NIGHT, THAT THOU MAYEST OBSERVE TO DO ACCORDING TO ALL THAT IS WRITTEN THEREIN: FOR THEN THOU SHALT MAKE THY WAY PROSPEROUS, AND THEN THOU SHALT HAVE GOOD SUCCESS."-JOSHUA 1:8

"ALL (KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE) SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, AND IS PROFITABLE FOR DOCTRINE, FOR REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION, FOR INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS:"-2 TIMOTHY 3:16

"FOR THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: AND THESE THREE ARE ONE."-1 JOHN 5:7

"BUT UNTO THE SON HE SAITH, THY THRONE, O GOD, IS FOR EVER AND EVER; A SCEPTRE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THE SCEPTRE OF THY KINGDOM."-HEBREWS 1:8

"AND WITHOUT CONTROVERSY GREAT IS THE MYSTERY OF GODLINESS: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, JUSTIFIED IN THE SPIRIT, SEEN OF ANGELS, PREACHED UNTO THE GENTILES, BELIEVED ON IN THE WORLD, RECEIVED UP INTO
GLORY."-1 TIMOTHY 3:16

"AND WE KNOW THAT THE SON OF GOD IS COME, AND HATH GIVEN US AN UNDERSTANDING, THAT WE MAY KNOW HIM THAT IS TRUE, AND WE ARE IN HIM THAT IS TRUE, EVEN IN HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, THIS (JESUS CHRIST) IS THE TRUE GOD AND
ETERNAL LIFE."-1 JOHN 4:20

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News Item3/13/17 7:20 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Polypedal  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Youth in Asia wrote:
answer
Gave u an entire book (free- with excellent illustrations) - from the China side of Terra Firma. summary of main point
-don't be "duped" by counterfeits. A range of
maturity ,
wisdom,
study
etc all come before calling brethren out as being in sin.
Similar to discussions on looking at #s in scripture.
I think it wise, mature, & studious to examine potential fakes.
My German, Spanish, French , Finnish, & Russian bibles are chosen by inclusion of , for example, the end of the Lord's Prayer.
Kingdom-Power-Glory
A fake that cuts that part out merits rejection on my bookshelf as Jesuitical.
Study Koo's entire book - let me know what u think- he says:
"Chinese, Tamil, Korean Bibles ?
We are glad over the fact that the Bible is translated into so many languages. The Westminster Confession itself says that the Scriptures “are to be translated into the vulgar language of every nation.” However, we must ensure that the translation used must be as faithful and accurate as possible. "

btw-
Supernatural Biblical Numerical structure - Pastor Vaughn SA Sermon below-his intro warning to not confuse apologetics use of Design with "Numerology"

tinysa.com/sermon/59151540109

Study - be unashamed workman

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News Item3/12/17 6:53 PM
Youth in Asia | Asia  Find all comments by Youth in Asia
You quoted me Ignominious, then you are obligated to answer this question: I don't read the 1611 KJV bible, do you think I am in sin? If yes, then I have been willfully living in sin for a long time, should I be worried that I am not saved, because I live a life of sin against the KJV bible?
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News Item3/12/17 11:31 AM
Ignominious Emirakan | EastWest  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Youth in Asia wrote:
books
Accuracy in Translations
“We have the Words of God in English, or in Spanish, or in Italian, or in Portuguese, or in Russian, etc. This is true only in accurate translations like the King James Bible in the English language.
“God gave us His Words by a process of inspiration which will never again be repeated. God wants His Inspired Words of Hebrew/ Aramaic and Greek to be accurately translated into all the languages of the world (Rom 16:26, Acts 2:11). God expects us to find the most accurate Bible in our own language (In English, it is the King James Bible), and then read it, study it, preach from it, memorize it, live by it, and practice it the rest of our lives!” (Ibid).
One way of looking at the relationship between the original text and translation text of the Scriptures is that the former is a product of direct inspiration while the latter, if it is an accurate and faithful translation of the original, shares its inspiration only in the derivative sense.
For further study, read Edward F Hills, Believing Bible Study (Des Moines IA: The Christian Research Press, 1977), 1-53.
-
Kept Pure in all Ages"
http://www.febc.edu.sg/assets/pdfs/febc_press/Kept%20Pure%20In%20All%20Ages.pdf

Book-
Chinese-Korean

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News Item3/12/17 9:55 AM
numerics overrated  Find all comments by numerics overrated
Moses wrote:
How in the world did you know that the Lord God Almighty did not inspire those holy men of God KJV translators? Did God confided to you that He did not inspire them?
To Moses, may I suggest the following research for your edification

Verbal plenary inspiration

https://carm.org/what-is-verbal-plenary-inspiration-of-the-bible

The Canon of Scripture

https://www.gotquestions.org/canon-of-Scripture.html

They had restrictions given them by King James not the Holy Spirit

http://www.kjvonly.org/other/kj_instructs.htm

KJV preface, they did not believe they were inspired

http://www.kjvbibles.com/kjpreface.htm

Marginal references in original KJV show alternate words which would not be needed if they only choose words God inspired them to choose

http://www.bible.ca/kjv-1611-version-margin-notes-judges-19-2.jpg

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News Item3/11/17 5:40 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Sidebar  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Dr Morris on the Bible-

http://www.icr.org/article/should-creationists-abandon-king-james-version/

this day when many Christians have started using one of the modern English translations of the Bible, abandoning the King James Version, it may be well to review a few of the reasons why many creationists still prefer the latter.

The King James Translators

One reason is that all the fifty or more translators who developed the King James Bible were godly men who believed implicitly in the inerrancy and full authority of Scripture and in the literal historicity of Genesis, with its record of six-day Creation and the worldwide Flood. This has not been true of many who have worked on the modern versions.
--

Which New Translation?

This is not a new question. There have been over 120 English translations of the complete Bible published since the King James, as well as over 200 New Testaments. Even if one really feels that he ought to switch to a modern translation, how can he decide which, if any, is really the inspired word of God? I personally have perused in some depth at least 20 of them.

Is God The Author Of Confusion?
"official" version vs Westcott& Hort(Evilutionists) bad fruit
..
Dr Morris is right- still the common man's favorite- & SA's official Bible-

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