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FRONT PAGE  |  4/21/2019
SATURDAY, FEB 11, 2017  |  264 comments
Maybe moderate drinking isn’t so good for you after all

Thousands of studies spanning multiple decades show that alcohol use is linked with more than 200 health conditions and is responsible for 6% of deaths worldwide. Scientists are still looking for a plausible mechanism that would allow alcohol – a carcinogen and a key predictor of sickness and early death – to have a health-protective effect.

Researchers are also increasingly concerned about the validity of previous claims on the health benefits of moderate drinking. Reviews of studies supporting a relationship between alcohol and health show many grouped “sick quitters” (previous drinkers who stopped due to poor health) with those who have never regularly drunk alcohol. The presence of these sick ex-drinkers in analyses makes the health of non-drinkers seem much poorer than that of moderate drinkers.

Many studies also failed to account for differences between moderate drinkers and other groups ...


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News Item2/17/17 8:18 PM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
Seek first the kingdom of god and his righteousness, and these things will be added to you.
Matt. 6:33.
Just to reinforce your statement kev,
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News Item2/16/17 11:48 PM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
Good comment UPS. SC, It would make no sense if someone accused you of being a drunk and you said "I come eating and drinking". The topic was alcohol. Christ never denied drinking rather said he did but denied being a drunk. It is rather clear if you let scripture mean what it says and not try to impose ones beliefs onto scripture.
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News Item2/16/17 11:33 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
sc, you should reconsider who has the inaccurate assumptions and presumptions. You are ignoring the context and comparison that was made.

Our Lord made the John the Baptist comparison the key, if it had no significance He wouldn't have stated it.

John came neither eating or drinking.

Did John not eat or drink? Obviously he did both. He ate an usual fat free diet and did not drink wine or strong drink but he drank something or he would not have lived. His diet and drink meant he could not have been gluttonous or drunk. So, they said he had a devil.

Our Lord stated in contrast to John He came both eating and drinking. He stated that they accused Him of extremes in both. Gluttony for eating and being an alcoholic for drinking. The accusation of gluttony was meaningless on John but they used it falsely on our Lord because it was a possibility if He abused it.

John drank no wine or strong drink, so drunkenness accusation was meaningless on him, but they used it falsely on our Lord because it was a possibility if He abused it.

It's the same crowd, if they didn't accuse John because of his habits, they also would have not accused the Lord if His habits were the same as John. Because they were different the contrast is noted.

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News Item2/16/17 8:45 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
This has been a very interesting conversation though, and I appreciate everyone's input to see where everyone's at with this.
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News Item2/16/17 6:59 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks Kev, and believe me, if I felt there was any issue or the answers to the topic questionable and vague, I would completely avoid it to be on the safe side. My mind is completely open on any topic which can be discussed rationally and biblically, so I'm not trying to make excuses for alcohol, by any stretch. I just haven't been convinced in the slightest on this one that drinking a glass of wine is a sin and frowned on by Christ.
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News Item2/16/17 6:47 PM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks Kev. I don't believe drinking is a good thing, and should be avoided by anyone who can't fully control their intake, etc., but for those who can and like to have a glass of wine with dinner, we'll, I just don't see the biblical issue.
Exactly and this has been the talking point for pretty much everyone. Yet through vain philosophy and flowery words others have been trying to push their opinion on others, telling them how to walk in the spirit and so on. We are to do all we do by faith being led by the Spirit anything off this narrow path is sin and one man's path is not another's and we have no right above scripture to judge what is clean or unclean for someone else.

I see an unbiblical agenda or someone I feel is in sin I'm gonna tell them straight out for their own good and others.

I think drinking is wise to stay away from especially for weaker Christians such as myself this is my opinion but I would not try to push this on others as biblical truth or some greater spiritual path.

Good comment Brother

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News Item2/16/17 6:34 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks Kev. I don't believe drinking is a good thing, and should be avoided by anyone who can't fully control their intake, etc., but for those who can and like to have a glass of wine with dinner, we'll, I just don't see the biblical issue.
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News Item2/16/17 6:21 PM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
Christopher000 wrote:
Having a drink, a glass of wine, or whatever, isn't a sin, and nobody can prove it, biblically. In fact, just the opposite can be proven...Then, to get it the rest of the way down the throat, a plunger is used as somebody stands on your face, and screams, "Sinner! Sinner! Sinner!"
I don't get it because things seem pretty clear and straightforward. Is it a sin to drink a glass of fermented wine, consuming in extreme moderation moderation? The answer is all that matters (to me anyway).
Romans 14

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

As they hold others to made up sin they fall into real sin themselves. I offered to apologize if they could simply state "moderate alcohol use is not sinful and our righteousness and merit comes from Jesus Christ alone" it seems anyone who can't make this simple statement is hiding their true feelings.

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News Item2/16/17 6:03 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Having a drink, a glass of wine, or whatever, isn't a sin, and nobody can prove it, biblically. In fact, just the opposite can be proven, except to those who are stuck on a verse from Proverbs or the non-alcoholic kick to make things conform to their view. This seems to be about personal decisions and views being shoved down anyone's throat who disagrees. Then, to get it the rest of the way down the throat, a plunger is used as somebody stands on your face, and screams, "Sinner! Sinner! Sinner!"
I don't get it because things seem pretty clear and straightforward. Is it a sin to drink a glass of fermented wine, consuming in extreme moderation moderation? The answer is all that matters (to me anyway).
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News Item2/16/17 2:49 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Matthew 11:18-19
(18) For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
(19) The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

SC, what do you think Jesus meant when he said, "The Son of man came eating and drinking..."

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News Item2/16/17 2:23 PM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
Kev,you presume much with Scripture.
Ex. You assume that Jesus was drinking wine just because he was seen with those who drank. Scripture only tells us that the people who were mocking Him were accusing Him of drinking and gluttony. Are you suggesting that He was gluttonous as well?
Penn,He changed water into wine. Wine which Christ creates is better than mans. Why would it have to be fermented? People who have drank much are going to drink more alcohol at the hand of the One who condemns drunkenness to the point of exempting such from inheriting the Kingdom of God?
And,our salvation does not hang on our performance but our walk matters. We are to be Holy says the Lord and why do we say that we love God yet disobey Him and flirt with the things which He detests?
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News Item2/16/17 11:50 AM
ugh  Find all comments by ugh
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News Item2/16/17 11:00 AM
penned  Find all comments by penned
B. McCausland wrote:
If Christ drank alcohol or not,
...there is no "if".

He created the earth with yeasts and lactobacteria for fermenatiation and preservation and health to counter putrification..."ye are the salt of the earth"

He chose it as the sign of the covenant and drank it as a sign of the shedding of His blood.... instructing the disciples to partake... as was the Hebrew tradition!

He created it out of water as a miracle.

this is the sign of the covenant.

not something sweet and easily had. something sour after bruising and crushing that transforms and preserves.

God has not told us to hate it.

and I am not a robot!

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News Item2/16/17 10:30 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Moderator Beta wrote:
The "Robot thing" is an attempt to cut down on the spam that was making it through. Hopefully, it will help with that.
Thanks! I am fairly computer illiterate, so I don't understand the ramifications of the robot thing, but have heard about it in the past.

If SA is doing it, then it must be for the good of the forum and I will simply deal with it. Just takes a little longer and more concentration.

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News Item2/16/17 10:17 AM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
BMC you could not simply state that all our merit is through faith in Christ could you? You turned it around towards your performance.

You have said that drinking is contrary to walking in the spirit therefore you have said it is sinful as we are to do all we do by faith.

You have said that the element of the covenant is not wine as was shown that it was wine in the fact that some got drunk off of it at the Lord's Table.

You can't admit where Jesus says he came eating and drinking that He was obviously talking about wine.

You call people names by inference.

You have made yourself judge in what is right and wrong for others to partake in.

You have displayed a prideful spirit and show non of the beatitudes.

The Bible is clear on what we should do with people teach things that are contrary to the word of God:

Romans 16:17-18

17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

It's amazing how the word of God always fits so perfect.

I deleted pretty much this:
John she has given you the answer

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News Item2/16/17 7:08 AM
kjg | Amerika  Find all comments by kjg
I meant tenacious in a positive way.
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News Item2/16/17 7:06 AM
kjg | Amerika  Find all comments by kjg
B. Mc.,

I will reread your posts. I must confess that you are one tenacious person.

Take care with all my sincerity

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News Item2/16/17 6:44 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
kjg wrote:
calling me simple-minded
Please, reconsider and reread the post.

In general, sometimes people misread posts, or do not take time to analyze the content properly, misleading or missing the real meaning, misinterpreting the intent, and drawing quick, none valid conclusions. This happens quite often, and the people taking offense after this happens, are the most adamant ever after.

If you feel a general statement applies to you, it is your choice.

Wishing you well

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News Item2/16/17 6:32 AM
kjg | Amerika  Find all comments by kjg
B. Mc.,

Thank you for calling me simple-minded. Your reasoning as always- superior.

You take care too!

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News Item2/16/17 6:18 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
kjg wrote:
a fool
How simplistic are the reasoning, comprehension, reading and thinking skills displayed here, so often.
It is really amazing that you could not see the general context to which that verse led, into the core of the post's content. Instead you took it personally ...
Quite sorry to see the way you took it, and the contempt, resentment, and sarcasm displayed
Some times one wonders if Gal 4:11 applies ...

Take care

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