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SATURDAY, JAN 28, 2017  |  273 comments
Pope Francis: ‘Liberation Theology Was Good for Latin America’

In a controversial interview, Pope Francis has publicly defended Liberation Theology, calling it a “positive thing” in Latin America.

In his lengthy interview last week with the leftist Spanish daily El País, the Pope said that “Liberation Theology was a good thing for Latin America,” but also recognized that it had “deviations” that needed to be corrected.

The part of Liberation Theology that “opted for a Marxist analysis of reality was condemned by the Vatican,” Francis said.

“Cardinal Ratzinger issued two instructions when he was Prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith,” he continued. “One very clear one about the Marxist analysis of reality, and the second picked up positive aspects.” ...


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News Item2/15/17 12:38 PM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
B. McCausland wrote:
God's will for all existing things is perfect, complete and in total harmony with all that pertains to His character.
Nothing defiled enters or takes place in his abode because He is pure and his ways are perfect, say without a trace of equivocation, untruth, malice, or guile.
In this way we are to partake of what He is, not being at odds with anything because of the presence of sin.
See the point made when he said, "I in them and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one"
If Christ lives in us there will prevail his perfect character, and harmony without any disunion between us and him as it was the case of the Father with him.
Contrast this statement:"Nothing defiled enters or takes place in his abode "

She talks about following the perfect will of God if Christ be in you. If she believes that drinking alcohol in and of itself is sinful she also says nothing defiled enters into the kingdom of God.

This statement to me looks very much like legalism she contrasts her actions with what it is to be defiled or not. Christ's blood is the only thing that makes me clean.

Ponder this statement;"If Christ lives in us there will prevail his perfect character, and harmony without any disunion between us and him"

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News Item2/5/17 6:13 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Brother John,
I usually don't waste time reading such but I did since you asked and it was short.
Scripture filled.... yes. But really John, we all know most anyone can string together proof-texts to justify a pre-conceived outcome.
No problem that our souls have been quickened unto life, are 'In Christ' and will never die again. But our mortal bodies? Christ died once in the flesh to never die again. Yet your and my mortal bodies will die one day because????????? they are yet 'In Adam'.
1 Cor 15:52 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
"shall all be made alive" is future tense, John. At the resurrection which is the subject of the chapter.
Brother, I wouldn't consider it a waste of time to read the writings of other men. After all, I read all your writings, don't I? And I don't consider that a waste of time.

"most anyone can string together proof-texts to justify a pre-conceived outcome."

Sure. You, me, anyone can do that. But it is also possible, and most likely, that anyone studying the word of God to any great extent is going to get a general flavour of any particular doctrine, and string together texts to show it.

Turning in, God bless.

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News Item2/5/17 6:00 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
Lurker wrote:
Brother John,
I usually don't waste time reading such but I did since you asked and it was short.
Scripture filled.... yes. But really John, we all know most anyone can string together proof-texts to justify a pre-conceived outcome.
No problem that our souls have been quickened unto life, are 'In Christ' and will never die again. But our mortal bodies? Christ died once in the flesh to never die again. Yet your and my mortal bodies will die because????????? They are yet 'In Adam'.
ORRRRR

John UK is a new creature like a pigman hybrid, and all his tissues and organs will regenerate and he will live forever.

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News Item2/5/17 5:53 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
No problem bro.
Here is a great little scripture filled article on the subject In Adam v In Christ. See what you think.
http://www.perfectingofthesaints.com/in-adam-vs-in-christ/
Brother John,

I usually don't waste time reading such but I did since you asked and it was short.

Scripture filled.... yes. But really John, we all know most anyone can string together proof-texts to justify a pre-conceived outcome.

No problem that our souls have been quickened unto life, are 'In Christ' and will never die again. But our mortal bodies? Christ died once in the flesh to never die again. Yet your and my mortal bodies will die one day because????????? they are yet 'In Adam'.

1 Cor 15:52 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

"shall all be made alive" is future tense, John. At the resurrection which is the subject of the chapter.

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News Item2/5/17 3:33 PM
James Thomas  Find all comments by James Thomas
Kev wrote:
I was just wondering about this statement above.
When it says "that we may be made perfect" what is it talking about there?
Kev,
I noticed your question and wondering if you have found the biblical definition of "be made perfect" yet in your search?

Could not help but think of these verses when I read your post.

Amo 3:7
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Jhn 6:45
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God.

Jhn 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth..

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News Item2/5/17 3:29 PM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
pennelope wrote:
seeing as the book of Galatians is a warning against Judaizing the church, your concern may be even more on target than you thought.

Well, you'll are going to great lengths and stretching the fabric of scripture to make what point, seriously, that you lot are holier than though because you all obey the Law.
Wow. Jewish law mongering?
Sorry for speaking up to god's elite!
You'll never creep your law back into it while I have breath left in me to expose it.
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News Item2/5/17 2:30 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
John,
1) Both. They are all figures of what animates our bodies/flesh.
2) Sorry, I don't John. But Paul does offer quite a bit:
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Body and soul are each subject to a different covenant.....
My apologies to you and BMcC. It wasn't my intent to interfere in your discussion.
No problem bro.

Here is a great little scripture filled article on the subject In Adam v In Christ. See what you think.

http://www.perfectingofthesaints.com/in-adam-vs-in-christ/

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News Item2/5/17 2:06 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
B. McCausland wrote:
See previous post
Take care
Thanks for understanding and I agree.
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News Item2/5/17 1:52 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Lurker wrote:
apologies
See previous post
Take care
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News Item2/5/17 1:43 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
1) Bro, what is this "heart"? Is it the mind, or is it the soul?

2) To be honest, I've never thought of my soul being in Christ and my body being in Adam. Do you have an article I could read about that?

John,

1) Both. They are all figures of what animates our bodies/flesh.

2) Sorry, I don't John. But Paul does offer quite a bit:

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Body and soul are each subject to a different covenant.....

My apologies to you and BMcC. It wasn't my intent to interfere in your discussion.

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News Item2/5/17 1:36 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
John UK wrote:
Every blessing to you too.
Thanks.
Your interaction has been useful.

Addendum
Sorry that the words in 2/4/17 4:22 PM
"we are separated 'to be made fit' for glory as it were" have represented a difficulty.
You may wish to ponder the post for clarity, again, however, it does not worry me if we cannot see the same in all, especially when we only see in part as the Scriptures say.
Perhaps it is better to leave the conversation here, in case we destroy the good of it.
Regards in Christ

_

No problem, Lurker. Any thing presented in the right spirit and unto edification is welcome.
Take care

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News Item2/5/17 1:31 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
B. McCausland wrote:
Fine, take care, it does not matter
Every blessing
Every blessing to you too.
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News Item2/5/17 1:20 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
John UK wrote:
I'm sorry but your words confuse me.
Fine, take care, it does not matter
Every blessing
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News Item2/5/17 1:18 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
B. McCausland wrote:
Please, see previous post
Sanctification is to set apart and ready for a purpose or a task. In our case of course the issues of sin need to be sorted for us to be ready or 'fit' for the task, not in Christ's case. This is the only difference.
We tend to play foul with words to confusion. The context in which a word is used defines if its meaning is inclusive, exclusive, explicit, or generic. In this case the words and their meaning were distracted by association to imply a thing out of context.
I'm sorry but your words confuse me.
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News Item2/5/17 1:10 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
John UK wrote:
One of the problems of your bringing Christ's sanctification into this, is that he was perfect and sinless
Please, see previous post
Sanctification is to set apart and ready for a purpose or a task. In our case of course the issues of sin need to be sorted for us to be ready or 'fit' for the task, not in Christ's case. This is the only difference.

We tend to play foul with words to confusion. The context in which a word is used defines if its meaning is inclusive, exclusive, explicit, or generic. In this case of the sentence including the word 'fit', the words and their meaning were distracted/deviated by association to imply a thing out of the context in which it was given.

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News Item2/5/17 1:03 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Didn't God promise a new heart of flesh?
Ezek 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
But there is no promise of a new body until the resurrection.
Phl 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1 Cor 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Bro, what is this "heart"? Is it the mind, or is it the soul?

To be honest, I've never thought of my soul being in Christ and my body being in Adam. Do you have an article I could read about that?

Sister B
One of the problems of your bringing Christ's sanctification into this, is that he was perfect and sinless. How do we shape up? Are we conformed to the image of God's Son? My answer is no, how about you?

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News Item2/5/17 12:54 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
John UK wrote:
Once again, I must say that it is already done. God "hath made us meet".
My point is that at the moment of justification, we are declared just (and therefore meet) and are ready for heaven, even if we should die just a moment later
Yes, the transaction is done, but those he leaves here is that no longer should live unto themselves according the old lusts of the flesh, but to please him that saved them.
2Cor5:15
"he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again"
or
"That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God" 1Pe 4:2
_

Please, observe that my original statement said,

"we are separated 'to be made fit' for glory as it were"

The connotation here is the same as when it says that the Father sanctified, separated, the Son to fulfill his special task of being sent into the world. See, John 10:36
"Say ye of him, whom the Father has sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemes"
Separate is to be set apart and ready for a task

Pity that often we are prompt to take words in a fixed meaning out of their proper context in which they were spoken.

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News Item2/5/17 12:50 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
Lurker wrote:
Didn't God promise a new heart of flesh?
Ezek 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
But there is no promise of a new body until the resurrection.
1 Cor 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Yet another day of Lurkers jealousy of John UKs perfection. John UK not only stopped aging and is sinless, he sneezes out manna
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News Item2/5/17 12:45 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Hi Lurker,
I'm not sure about that, brother.
2 Corinthians 5:17
(17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Are you saying that the soul is a new creature "in Christ"?
Didn't God promise a new heart of flesh?

Ezek 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

But there is no promise of a new body until the resurrection.

Phl 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

1 Cor 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

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News Item2/5/17 12:41 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Hey John,
"Once again, I must say that it is already done. God "hath made us meet"."
Not presuming to butt in but you are overlooking our mortal corruptible bodies which, being in Adam, must die and be resurrected on the last day to incorruption and immortality....... glorified. What you quoted above speaks of our souls into which has been imputed the mind of Christ. Indeed, our souls are "In Christ", and He in us, from the moment of regeneration (justification) but our mortal bodies remain "In Adam" and that is the subject of our daily, lifelong mortification because as Paul confirms; In our flesh dwells no good thing and we are tasked with the need to die in the flesh daily as did Paul.
Hi Lurker,

I'm not sure about that, brother.

2 Corinthians 5:17
(17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Are you saying that the soul is a new creature "in Christ"?

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