Mary Tyler Moore, Sweetheart of American Television, Dies at 80
Mary Tyler Moore, whose roles as a perky housewife on The Dick Van Dyke Show in the 1960s and as a spunky, single working woman in her eponymous ’70s sitcom made her America’s sweetheart, has died, her rep Mara Buxbaum confirmed to The Hollywood Reporter. She was 80.
"Today, beloved icon, Mary Tyler Moore, passed away at the age of 80 in the company of friends and her loving husband of over 33 years, Dr. S. Robert Levine," Buxbaum said in a statement.
Moore played opposite her TV persona and received an Oscar nomination for her performance as an icy mother struggling to connect with her son in Robert Redford’s best-picture winner Ordinary People (1980)....
Wayne wrote: .. a visit from a theatre group ... Whitefield had the printer publish ‘Mr Laws excellent treaty The Absolute Unlawfulness of the Stage Entertainment’
Thank you
Of late a preacher brought up the observation that the reason why nowadays there is so much open carelessness, disobedience, indifference, opinionated self-assertion, and contempt against godly practice among believers, is due to the fact that many have their senses highly trained to respond mainly to fleshly appeals, among these being the constant use of sensual music, or instant/ fleshly entertainment.
He reckoned that a constant exposure to such stimuli diminishes the capacity to respond to things of specific/exclusive spiritual appeal as genuine preaching, logical teaching or spiritual discernment.
He believed that by the pursuing of such activities either in private or in corporate worship, the intellect is highly conditioned to accept only what it 'feels good' rather than what it *ought to be*, giving place to negligible spiritual advancement which comes characterized by endless, none-substantiated objections to the biblical evidence presented. In other words, the individual is conditioned to judge that what it does not feel good, it must not be right.
B. McCausland wrote: These views Spurgeon and Ryle held, if applied thoroughly nowadays regarding Hollywood's film entertaining industry, would substantially change the life-styles, customs, practice, and outlook of many a 'Christian'
The godly lifestyle of the men God greatly used- God's real instruments on fire ...
George Whitefield: ‘During the time of my being at school, I was very fond of reading plays, and have kept from school for days together to prepare myself for acting them. My master seeing how mine and my schoolfellows’ vein ran, composed something of this kind for us himself, and caused me to dress myself in girls’ clothes, which I had often done, to act a part before the corporation. The remembrance of this has often covered me with confusion of face, and I hope will do so, even to the end of my life’.
‘God enabled me to give a public repentance as to seeing and acting plays’ … ‘I wrestled with God to put in me a way to manifest the abhorrence of my former Sin and Folly.’ Hearing of a visit from a theatre group to town Whitefield had the printer publish ‘Mr Laws excellent treaty The Absolute Unlawfulness of the Stage Entertainment’ and God was pleased to give it His blessing.
Now what's with this Holy moly, that could be comatose as a replacement for a swear word, remember like was told by a supposed Aussie that crikey means Christ, because wiki says so.lol
Holy Moly wrote: Ouch! and Ouch again!! ... attacking ..
Very sorry that this is all you had to contribute *towards edification* about the ongoing conversation, and that to bring in your spite you had to resort to the cover of anonymity.
See, "... he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God." John 3:21
"Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification" Rom 15:2
Things needed to be stated as they were and had been, which you confuse as an 'attack'. Please, fairness is a virtue, but malice and idle busybodies belong to the works of the flesh, 1Ti 5:13 b, & 1Pe 4:15
B. McCausland wrote: 1. This might be on your part Just following valid dialogue and logic from my part. It is regretful that you find it hard to follow it, however. Nevertheless, nobody should entertain any kind of doubts, when guessing what Spurgeon's topic was about when saying: "A step to degeneration ... If our church members fall into the habit of frequenting the theatre, we shall soon have them going much further in the direction of vice, and they will lose all relish for the ways of God. If theatre-going became general among professing Christians, it would be the death of piety." 2. Perhaps this has been the case, due to being in the same wave-length of thought with people you have discussed points of your interest. Take care
Ouch! and Ouch again!!
Seems like attacking is the normal form of defense for this one.
Somehow or other, serving your loved ones on a schedule of your determination is "slavery" and "drudgery" - but serving an ungrateful, grouchy boss, and working around his schedule is "freedom"!
Reminds me of the old Soviet decree: "By virtue of the present decree no woman can any longer be considered as private property and all women become property of the nation... Any man who wishes to make use of a nationalized woman must hold a certificate... All who refuse to recognize the present decree and to cooperate with authorities shall be declared enemies of the people, anti-anarchists, and shall suffer the consequences."
MS wrote: Kev, I too agree with your remark this article belongs on a secular tabloid news feed, not on this site.
This is actually a figure that I think should be discussed on this board. MTM had not only a huge influence on young Christian women, but the way our work and social culture looks today
Kev wrote: 1. .. we are having a communication break down 2. I know that I haven't had this with other people
1. This might be on your part Just following valid dialogue and logic from my part. It is regretful that you find it hard to follow it, however.
Nevertheless, nobody should entertain any kind of doubts, when guessing what Spurgeon's topic was about when saying:
"A step to degeneration ... If our church members fall into the habit of frequenting the theatre, we shall soon have them going much further in the direction of vice, and they will lose all relish for the ways of God. If theatre-going became general among professing Christians, it would be the death of piety."
2. Perhaps this has been the case, due to being in the same wave-length of thought with people you have discussed points of your interest.
BMI'll tell you one thing that is a fact about our conversation and that is that we are having a communication break down. I know that I haven't had this with other people.
Kev wrote: 1. Your comment was broke ... To me this section can be read as a stand alone statement 2. Piety has nothing to do with entertainment 3. You were talking about Hollywood 4. Not defensive showing you it was off topic and a quote "rabbit trail' 5. The topic was Spurgeon quote on godliness
1. Please this was your subjective inference; however you should defer to my explanations about the matter
2. Please, you might like to reconsider this misleading fallacy
3. Yes, and Hollywood has become a main source of entertainment nowadays, as in Spurgeon's day was the theater,... There is no problem in my connection
4. Explanations have been already provided showing how the term was used and what for. It is for you to accept this, instead of insisting on a rabbit trail
5. No The topic was the criteria that should characterize our choice of entertainment. See Ryle: "The Christian must abstain from all amusements and recreations which are inseparably connected with sin .. connected with gambling, betting, drunkenness, and fornication"
Spurgeon: "It must be a strange school for virtue which attracts the harlot and the debauchee ... if it is best appreciated by the irreligious and worldly .. the habit of frequenting the theatre"
B. McCausland wrote: 1. If paragraphs contain separate issues normally come divided by a dash and a space. My personal practice is to space paragraphs to provide open white space for the eye in order to facilitate reading 2. Entertainment belongs to day-to-day general practice, hence the term used in my comment. Your inference is flawed 3. Neo-calvinism is not a denomination, but a tendency tainting different denominations in different measures, and in this sense was mentioned, not as a personal connotation necessarily. 4. You are in a defensive to something that was not aimed to be personal.
1.Your comment was broke so this statement was on its own: "Regretfully, many today 'revering' with high esteem Spurgeon and Ryle's writings, chose to overlook their practical day-to-day positions regarding piety and practical godliness." Piety has nothing to do with entertainment.
To me this section can be read as a stand alone statement.
2. You were talking about Hollywood.
3. I know
4. Not defensive showing you it was off topic and a quote "rabbit trail' The topic was Spurgeon quote on godliness.
I agree MS I have no interest on what's going on with 'americas sweetheart' it's sad she died but many people died yesterday.
Kev wrote: 1. last part of this comment was broken down into another paragraph leading one to believe it was of another topic 2. The use of the words 'day-to-day position' 3. I am not a neo-Calvinist and this could easily be considered a rabbit trail. 4. I don't drink or smoke ... I don't listen to ANY secular music and I don't watch many things that my flesh would like to due to content so your Neo-Calvinist remark, to me seems like a 'rabbit trail'.
1. If paragraphs contain separate issues normally come divided by a dash and a space. My personal practice is to space paragraphs to provide open white space for the eye in order to facilitate reading
2. Entertainment belongs to every day-to-day general practice, hence the term used in my comment. Your inference is flawed
3. Neo-calvinism is not a denomination, but a tendency tainting different denominations in different measures, and in this sense was mentioned, not as a personal connotation necessarily.
4. You are in a defensive to something that was not aimed to be personal. Neo-Calvinism was an added connotation/illustration exposing or proving the average evangelical way of thinking nowadays, characterized by subjective relativism in the realm of godly practice
B. McCausland wrote: These views Spurgeon and Ryle held, if applied thoroughly nowadays regarding Hollywood's film entertaining industry, would substantially change the life-styles, customs, practice, and outlook of many a 'Christian' Regretfully, many today 'revering' with high esteem Spurgeon and Ryle's writings, chose to overlook their practical day-to-day positions regarding piety and practical godliness.
3.Your last part of this comment was broken down into another paragraph originally leading one to believe it was of another topic. The use of the words 'day-to-day position' show this not to being applied to 'shows' as in the days that Spurgeon wrote 'shows' were not a day-to-day concern leading me to believe you are addressing a wider topic being 'practical godliness'. I gave you a quote from Spurgeon about 'practical godliness and you considered it off topic.
I am not a neo-Calvinist and this could easily be considered a rabbit trail.
I don't drink or smoke as it is not lawful to me as I could be mastered by these since before I was saved I had a past with them. I don't listen to ANY secular music and I don't watch many things that my flesh would like to due to content so your Neo-Calvinist remark, to me seems like a 'rabbit trail'.
Kev wrote: 1. ... some can follow a show and others will fall into idolatry when watching a show
2. I was showing ... for one person something is right and another it is wrong as Spurgeon pointed out.
3. you were the one saying we should follow Spurgeon on 'practical Godliness'
1. And some get addicted to a fictional 'reality/world' that eventually, though slowly, but surely, modifies their set of values and that of the next generation they are influencing also.
2. This approximates situational ethics to which Neo-Calvinism is drawn to quite often Truth in theory, the same as in practice, is objective not subjective.
3. This is not precise Please, you missed this: "if applied thoroughly nowadays regarding Hollywood's film entertaining industry". Both, Spurgeon and Ryle's, quotes had to do with *entertainment* and to this my comment pertained. However, of course, entertainment is part of general practical godliness. Again you were wrongly inferring, or making none valid connections, to which you seem prone to
Willy Nilly wrote: I couldn't figure out what cigar smoking in the last comment posted had to do with Mary Tyler Moore, so I will keep on topic.
I will tie it in with Mary Tyler Moore. The quote I gave wasn't about smoking cigars as it was about: "Well, dear friends, you know that some men can do to the glory of God what to other men would be sin.". Just as some can follow a show and others will fall into idolatry when watching a show. They didn't call her 'americas sweetheart' for nothing. I couldn't figure out what this article had to do with Christian news feed, more like a tabloid article.
BM you were the one saying we should follow Spurgeon on 'practical Godliness'. My point is that Spurgeon wasn't so concerned with making up rules to follow that aren't in the Bible. I don't follow Spurgeon in fact I've hardly read anything by him. I was showing you the same principal I pointed out about for one person something is right and another it is wrong as Spurgeon pointed out.
I hope this concept hasn't gone over your head. The quote was from Spurgeon on 'practical godliness' you were the one who said we should listen to Spurgeon on such manners. It's hardly a rabbit trail you just don't like what I posted.
Willy Nilly wrote: I couldn't figure out what cigar smoking in the last comment posted had to do with Mary Tyler Moore, ...
Possibly is a rather predictable rabbit trail to the previous comment, as usual.
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Kev The tendency to make of a simple mortal a Protestant 'pope' is quite remarkable in some circles today. Lamentably, the writings /opinions of some outstanding preachers, present or of the pass, are advanced as the 'infallible' rule of conduct as a whole, as if they were "thus says the Lord", instead of Scripture.
Sadly, your insertion proves quite futile as the instance of smoking does not directly pertain to the concrete concern expressed in my comment, but comes as an apparent pretext to advance an specific personal agenda of your choice. Sorry you missed the core of the point
Craig Mussulman | 7/6/2009
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