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FRIDAY, JAN 6, 2017  |  143 comments
Liberal churches are dying. But conservative churches are thriving.
Mainline Protestant churches are in trouble: A 2015 report by the Pew Research Center found that these congregations, once a mainstay of American religion, are now shrinking by about 1 million members annually. Fewer members not only means fewer souls saved, a frightening thought for some clergy members, but also less income for churches, further ensuring their decline.

Faced with this troubling development, clergy members have made various efforts to revive church attendance. It was almost 20 years ago that John Shelby Spong, a U.S. bishop in the Episcopalian Church, published his book “Why Christianity Must Change or Die.” It was presented as an antidote to the crisis of decline in mainline churches. Spong, a theological liberal, said congregations would grow if they abandoned their literal interpretation of the Bible and transformed along with changing times. ...


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News Item1/14/17 5:56 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
John UK wrote:
Thanks Penny, it's good that at least one appreciated the article. I was greatly blessed by it, as most people have sufferings and hurts, and sometimes even bitternesses (which adversely affect the spiritual life).
indeed.
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News Item1/14/17 5:34 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
penned wrote:
"There is a way of remembering grief—that is not wrong, that is not a mark of unsubmission, and that brings rich blessing to our hearts and lives. There is a humanizing and fertilizing influence in sorrow rightly accepted, and "the memory of things precious, keeps warm the heart that once enfolded them." Recollections of losses, if sweetened by faith, hope and love—are blessings to the lives they overshadow."
beautiful and thanks for the reminder, some will reach heaven's gates sooner than others, and only the Lord knows this.
Thanks Penny, it's good that at least one appreciated the article. I was greatly blessed by it, as most people have sufferings and hurts, and sometimes even bitternesses (which adversely affect the spiritual life).
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News Item1/14/17 5:02 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
John UK wrote:
J R Miller - 1888
Anyone who has suffered trials etc. would benefit from reading this article.
"There is a way of remembering grief—that is not wrong, that is not a mark of unsubmission, and that brings rich blessing to our hearts and lives. There is a humanizing and fertilizing influence in sorrow rightly accepted, and "the memory of things precious, keeps warm the heart that once enfolded them." Recollections of losses, if sweetened by faith, hope and love—are blessings to the lives they overshadow."

beautiful and thanks for the reminder, some will reach heaven's gates sooner than others, and only the Lord knows this.

thank you Dave for your kind words towards the sisters here.

BM, thank you for your concern that we listen carefully to what is being said, I will take this to heart.

and no name, will be glad when you pick a name to join us.

Good day to the brethren.

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News Item1/14/17 3:32 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Thank-you brother Frank for your kind and truthful comment concerning our dear sister ladybug.
I heartly agree.
Some folks think their. 'spiritual gift' is giving unsolicited advise and just generally being a busybody.
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News Item1/14/17 3:27 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
So you are saying sister Ladybug is immature and unfulfilled?
Sure Frank. Every Christian is immature until they be matured by the Lord, through his word and by experience. For example, you are far more mature than most here. That itself doesn't mean you are always right though. However, a young Christian is rarely mature. There are plenty on here who are immature, nothing wrong with that, we are all works in progress.

And if you want to confront any of my posts, that is fine, as you have just done. I have my opinions, and I reserve the right to express them, in true and genuine hopes of edifying someone, rather than hurting them.

And yes, I do believe that Sister B has much maturity. If you spent a few weeks with her, I am sure you would come to the same conclusions. Nothing wrong with being more mature than someone else; it is all the Lord's work and we should praise his name for it.

Anyhow Frank, I love you as a brother in the Lord, redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, part of the body of Christ, and hopefully my neighbour in the heavenly mansion. We shall both be there soon, so please bear with my faults and get used to the idea of having me as your brother in Christ.

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News Item1/14/17 3:24 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
Frank,

Thank you for your response. I had responded to 'JohnUK', but removed that response. We both know he has some kind of disdain towards my and sister MS. He has dragged me through the mud before and falsely accused, and he never repented of that.
His siding with 'BM' is strange, it could be due to a haughty spirit, something they've both displayed on these threads. Both have been corrected by others, and both have refused that correction. Instead, they turn it around to an attack on any who dare attempt to correct.
Like you, I don't consider 'BM' to be a 'mother' in the faith at all. She is filled with pride and arrogance and seeks to belittle and badger - most all here have taken note of that. The same has happened with 'JohnUK'. I have read some of his posts where he brags about his doings, even though the bible tells us not to let the right hand know what the left is doing. I don't normally address anything he says, for obvious reasons. But, he took a 'stab' at me when he stated "While convinced of doing God's service, one may end in the heinous practice of deriding, or bitterly hating His children with obfuscated rage, due to misguided perceptions as Paul did before his conversion.Sadly very true."
BM was attempting to 'correct' me & he agreed.....

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News Item1/14/17 3:10 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Sister Ladybug, if you were to hearken to Sister B's admonitions and wise counsel (as coming from a "mother" in the faith), you would sooner begin to mature as a Christian.
You see, although you responded to my post, you could not even bear to mention my name, which shows me just what you think of me. Now, I still love you, which shows you in plain language what I think of you. I will always love you, no matter how immature I think you are. Indeed, I ought to be more mature than you, having had longer on the road. And I can assure you that Sister B is more mature than either of us, and I would have been happy to have had her as a mother, she would have saved me from much distress and waywardness.
So you are saying sister Ladybug is immature and unfulfilled? I consider her to be kind and loving with much discernment. Now why is it that you and I would differ on this? Could it be that she often confronts some of your posts and BM doesn’t? I understand the need for posters to have folks that support and encourage them, but that should never interfere with the truth presented. BM has never said anything that would make me think that she was a “mother” in the faith or someone who had elevated wisdom.
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News Item1/14/17 2:12 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dave wrote:
Well while you're throwing love around oldmate, G'day, love ya old boy!
Brother, lots of love to you, and hope that the past doesn't have any hold on you, marching forwards in the will of God to love, obey and serve him, despite failings, of which I have many. I got this from a recent grace gem, from which website is a plethora of good instruction from men of God of the past.

J R Miller - 1888

Anyone who has suffered trials etc. would benefit from reading this article.

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News Item1/14/17 1:11 PM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
Well while you're throwing love around oldmate, G'day, love ya old boy!
I believe we must all take stock daily, and remember the warnings in Galatians, and Jude.
Legalistic apostasy at one end and she'll be right, today's watered down version of the gospel at the other.
Just my thoughts. PS I must say I find you ladies in the middle of that scale, rightly dividing the word and respect what you all have to say, the all being the truth loving beloved, not the obvious peanut rcc idiot of course.
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News Item1/14/17 12:08 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Sister Ladybug, if you were to hearken to Sister B's admonitions and wise counsel (as coming from a "mother" in the faith), you would sooner begin to mature as a Christian.

You see, although you responded to my post, you could not even bear to mention my name, which shows me just what you think of me. Now, I still love you, which shows you in plain language what I think of you. I will always love you, no matter how immature I think you are. Indeed, I ought to be more mature than you, having had longer on the road. And I can assure you that Sister B is more mature than either of us, and I would have been happy to have had her as a mother, she would have saved me from much distress and waywardness.

Now every blessing to you, and if you wish to respond, please do so in a loving and gracious way, or I will have to keep telling you I love you, as I do all of God's dear blood-bought children, with all their faults and failings. For if God has clearly shown his eternal and electing love to them, it behoves me to respect him and his choice of his bride, as also because we shall all be spending eternity in each other's company. Now is the time to begin loving, by the power of the Holy Ghost who indwells us.

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News Item1/14/17 11:48 AM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
Sadly very true - coddling the one who is guilty of the very thing she continually accuses others of is not wise. 'BM' comes on these threads and attempts to put forth her legalistic form of religion, then tears apart any and all who attempt to correct her. She dismantles them, falsely accuses, and attempts to drive them into a corner.

How is it her pride and arrogance go unchecked? She is above reproach and if you dare point out her haughtiness, she always turns it right back on you. Some here call her a 'sister' - based on what? What kind of fruit does she display that warrants this?
Whether she be Christ's or not is not readily evident. Her continual display of haughtiness should cause many to be troubled in their spirit.

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News Item1/14/17 11:38 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
B. McCausland wrote:
While convinced of doing God's service, one may end in the heinous practice of deriding, or bitterly hating His children with obfuscated rage, due to misguided perceptions as Paul did before his conversion.
Sadly very true.

When the Spirit is grieved or quenched, it is very difficult for an unfilled believer to behave according to the dictates of Christ. Of course, for the unregenerate it is impossible.

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News Item1/14/17 11:25 AM
read through all the comments  Find all comments by read through all the comments
B. McCausland wrote:
Wherever you are, both contributions will be accountable for much.
You don't think God judges pride and arrogance? It is vilification if the what is said is not true. It is not just what you have posted here that demonstrates your lack of humility. You have been advised about your pridefulness by at least 10 different posters. You don't think you are accountable for such?

Here is a quote from you

May we remind ourselves that an open forum relies on freedom of speech.To uphold a position along one's conscience and understanding is a perfect right....Any topic may rise divers positions of understanding which when viewed and shared can bring better perspective. This should not be resented or spoken against.

now compare that to this statement to ladybug

Sorry, your post might have some value but it is out of track regarding the matter discussed

Time for some self-examination.

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News Item1/14/17 11:05 AM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
"Wherever you are, both contributions will be accountable for much.
While convinced of doing God's service, one may end in the heinous practice of deriding, or bitterly hating His children with obfuscated rage, due to misguided perceptions as Paul did before his conversion."-

It's advisable that you heed your own words and admonitions. Obviously, many on these boards see your haughtiness, too bad you can't. Unchecked sin is dangerous, even more so if God leaves you in it.

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News Item1/14/17 5:24 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
ladybug wrote:
... 'read through all the comments' is not me
I do, however, agree ...
Wherever you are, both contributions will be accountable for much.

While convinced of doing God's service, one may end in the heinous practice of deriding, or bitterly hating His children with obfuscated rage, due to misguided perceptions as Paul did before his conversion.

"... the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel,
and the men of Judah his pleasant plant:
and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression;
for righteousness, but behold a cry" Is 5:7

God's children partake of His righteousness (Is 54:17) and any engaged in hating any of them, as your posts transpire, may run into a serious predicament because,

"... they that hate the righteous shall be desolate" Ps 34:21

There is a difference between sensible admonition, fair debate, and discriminatory vilification, which adds nothing towards edification, but accomplishes personal 'self-satisfaction' only (Cf. Ac 5:39)

Please, be mindful and sober with your rants, in case you may be found speaking against judgement

"(for) .. every idle word that men shall speak,
they shall give account .. in the day of judgment"

Mt 12:36 &5:22

Love acts in kindness 1Jo 3:17, Js 1:20

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News Item1/13/17 8:52 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
pennned wrote:
dear sister, I'd caution you on letting no name to cause trouble. When she is ready, she'll pick a moniker and interact on equal footing with others. Lord bless you.
Thank you
Truly, as exposed last year here, some individuals entertain 'alter egos', acting with dual/multiple deceiving personalities/monikers that are often used in reviling mode under the cover of anonymity, towards topics of personal dislike.
However, such posts become quite identifiable by the writing style, predictable trends of thought, vocabulary, topical idiosyncrasy and deriding jargon.
Also they are predictably partial, as to what they decide to object to.
My personal concern about this phenomena is the lack of Christian character such practice reveals.

Nevertheless, it is my general belief that topics could be better assimilated or understood if posts were read and judged without default prejudice, at the expense of personal edification.

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News Item1/13/17 3:49 PM
Dave | Oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
pennelope wrote:
Hi no name, its interesting that you appeal to me personally as if you kind of know me in a way, but I cannot return that grace to you due to name changes. I consider Kev, BMc and Ladybug to be fellow believers, so I might agree or disagree at times and that is ok with me. BMc makes a point of taking the time to read through posts carefully, and similiarly like an older woman might sit down with a younger and teach her how to dress modestly and with dignity I find this to be a refreshing and positive trait. Not trying to insult anyone here.
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News Item1/13/17 12:19 PM
pennelope  Find all comments by pennelope
read through all the comments wrote:
Who is causing trouble or as she said attacking or insulting? Show my statements to be untrue. When Kev, who she admits was congenial in his posts to her, points out that he didn't like the fact she thought he was going off on rabbit trails, did she take back her back handed insult? Read her 10:09 AM post and notice her view of other posters. She demonstrated the truth that about which she was confronted.
Hi no name, its interesting that you appeal to me personally as if you kind of know me in a way, but I cannot return that grace to you due to name changes. I consider Kev, BMc and Ladybug to be fellow believers, so I might agree or disagree at times and that is ok with me. BMc makes a point of taking the time to read through posts carefully, and similiarly like an older woman might sit down with a younger and teach her how to dress modestly and with dignity I find this to be a refreshing and positive trait. Not trying to insult anyone here.
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News Item1/13/17 11:54 AM
read through all the comments  Find all comments by read through all the comments
pennned wrote:
dear sister, I'd caution you on letting no name to cause trouble. When she is ready, she'll pick a moniker and interact on equal footing with others. Lord bless you.
Who is causing trouble or as she said attacking or insulting? Show my statements to be untrue. When Kev, who she admits was congenial in his posts to her, points out that he didn't like the fact she thought he was going off on rabbit trails, did she take back her back handed insult? Read her 10:09 AM post and notice her view of other posters. She demonstrated the truth that about which she was confronted.
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News Item1/13/17 10:37 AM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
To set the record straight, 'read through all the comments' is not me.

I do, however, agree with the truth they present.

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