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SUNDAY, DEC 4, 2016  |  13 comments
Gatlinburg churches, residents survey fire damage
As some residents of Gatlinburg, Tenn., return to their fire-ravaged city, churches and other charities are gearing up to help.

Wildfires in eastern Tennessee destroyed nearly 18,000 acres and 700 homes and businesses and killed at least 13 people. The fires began last Wednesday along Chimney Tops Trail, a popular hiker destination in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park.

Officials believe the blaze was “human-caused” and are investigating the case. The steep cliffs and ridges of Chimney Tops made firefighters’ jobs difficult. On Monday, high winds pushed the fires across drought-ridden terrain, sparking new wildfires miles away. Flames swept through the resort town of Gatlinburg and neighboring Pigeon Forge on Tuesday.

Officials called for evacuation, but not before it was too late for many residents and vacationers alike. Some of the dead have been identified, while others remain missing. ...


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News Item12/4/16 8:04 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Ostrich farm  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Mike wrote:
evidence so far
operatives in the U.S., sources within Cal Fire, a state firefighting agency, confirmed that some California fires in 2011 were linked to terrorists. Also in 2012, Russia's security chief, Aleksandr Bortnikov warned, "al Qaeda was complicit in recent forest fires in Europe" as part of the terrorists' strategy of waging economic warfare by "a thousand cuts."

Those of us who live in the beautiful State of Colorado can't afford to take a head-in-the-sand approach. Looking the other way and hoping terrorists don't really intend to attack with fire isn't a strategy for survival. And, like it or not, we're on the front lines of "Fire Wars"

As Scott Stewart, the vice president of analysis for STRATFOR said last March: "I...take umbrage at those who snicker at the thought of grassroots jihadists lighting fires. ...I believe that fire is an under-appreciated threat. Many people do not realize how deadly a weapon it can be, even though starting fires does not require sophisticated terrorist tradecraft."

..,,reading Moslems arson plans, includes NOT taking credit for attacks so as to continue sabotage,
[URL=http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/german-saboteurs-executed-in-washington]]]WWII analogy.[/URL]

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News Item12/4/16 7:21 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Ignominious Emirakan wrote:
Means
Motive
OPPORTUNITY??
Patient Pirates lurk...
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[URL=https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-TerroristFireWeapon.pdf]]]Terrorists can wait for right conditions[/URL]
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The only evidence so far seems to be, the possibility they could set fires, because they may have have shown interest. Now if they do so, and they want false god allah to get credit, they might have to both claim, and give evidence for it. So far it seems quiet, which doesn't do much for their hopeless cause, though all the speculation no doubt could give ideas. As long as speculation is afoot, perhaps there are those with means, motive, and opportunity to come up with a plan to "protect" remaining forests not under central control? Terrorists are not nice, whether foreign or domestic.
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News Item12/4/16 5:40 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Preying  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Mike wrote:
It would be interesting to see how terrorist arsonists came up with high temps, low humidity, and drought just to make sure their efforts were successful.
Means
Motive
OPPORTUNITY??
Patient Pirates lurk...
--
[URL=https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-TerroristFireWeapon.pdf]]]Terrorists can wait for right conditions[/URL]

Cites old edition of al-Qa‘ida in the Arabian Peninsula’s (AQAP’s) English-language Inspire magazine provides instructions for and advocates setting fires in the United States to destroy forests and buildings and cause mass casualties, economic damage, and fear.
-equipment and materials needed to use fire as a weapon are common and easily obtainable, making preoperational activities difficult to detect and plot disruption and apprehension challenging for law enforcement. A large- scale fire, as we have seen in recent years, also has the potential to strain homeland security and public safety resources during response and recovery efforts.
-Terrorists intent on using fire as a weapon may choose to target locations in proximity to populated areas or infrastructure to maximum damage and casualties.
they may wait for "allah" to set it up
& check
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/fire_wx/fwdy2.html

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News Item12/4/16 5:23 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Ignominious Emirakan wrote:
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[URL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/11/17/fire-wars-past-and-future-terrorist-attacks-on-american-forests-warrant-priority-attention/#739f275f2058]]]Forbes on Fire Wars-2013 warning[/URL]
Fire Wars: Past And Future Terrorist Attacks On American Forests Warrant Priority Attention
It would be interesting to see how terrorist arsonists came up with high temps, low humidity, and drought just to make sure their efforts were successful.
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News Item12/4/16 5:06 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Our church is helping 10 families that lost everything and supplying baskets with necessities for others and donating to the first responders. We are hoping to use this as a means of getting the gospel out to those in need. Please pray for those who are suffering due to this devastation. Thanks.
Luke 6:31
And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise
Galatians 6:10
Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.
Bro US, it is most heartening that your church is so active in this regard. God bless the ongoing work, and the associated evangelism.
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News Item12/4/16 1:17 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Commatose  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
SteveR wrote:
I was recently I Maui. They are concerned at the increase in arson, up 84% just this year. I'm beginning to fear the fire bug is cutting across faiths, nations or even the need of a motive and perhaps demon based.
The fire in Oakland took place during Krampusfest. Krampusfest is central European festival to Krampus, a demon that steals children and sets fires. The warehouse was not only demon art filled but known as the bohemian art place. Bohemia is a place where Krampus is glorified
Burning Man devil worship is a big event in the U.S.

..,in Japan, arson was a major cause of fires in Edo, the shogunate spent considerable effort in cracking down on arsonists. A new government position, hitsuke tōzoku aratame (火付盗賊改?, literally "arsonist/thief corrector"), was introduced.
Chōnin were given rewards for capturing arsonists.
Arson was made a felony and punished with burning at the stake as a warning to the public.
-/--
A culture with paper walls takes arson seriously.

And , considers building better walls.
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"For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her."Zech2:5

A "firewall" of fire !

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News Item12/4/16 1:12 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
These people need our compassion not our condemnation. Some of lost loved ones, many have lost their homes and all their belongings, some business have already said they aren't going to reopen after their buildings had burned to the ground. This is one of largest tourist areas in the United States, so the lasting effects could effect many who live and make their livings there which would more than likely include some dear brothers and sisters in the Lord. The out pouring of help has been phenomenal. Our church is helping 10 families that lost everything and supplying baskets with necessities for others and donating to the first responders. We are hoping to use this as a means of getting the gospel out to those in need. Please pray for those who are suffering due to this devastation. Thanks.

Luke 6:31

And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise

Galatians 6:10

Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.

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News Item12/4/16 11:50 AM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
Ignominious Emirakan wrote:
There are valid reasons to link numerous deadly wildfires in Europe and the American West to actions of international arsonists. Such occurrences warrant great concern, not only because they cause devastating destruction to life, property and natural ecosystems, but also because these crimes are difficult to prevent and trace to offenders.
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I was recently I Maui. They are concerned at the increase in arson, up 84% just this year. I'm beginning to fear the fire bug is cutting across faiths, nations or even the need of a motive and perhaps demon based.
The fire in Oakland took place during Krampusfest. Krampusfest is central European festival to Krampus, a demon that steals children and sets fires. The warehouse was not only demon art filled but known as the bohemian art place. Bohemia is a place where Krampus is glorified
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News Item12/4/16 10:55 AM
Ignominious Emirakan | Behind  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
There are valid reasons to link numerous deadly wildfires in Europe and the American West to actions of international arsonists. Such occurrences warrant great concern, not only because they cause devastating destruction to life, property and natural ecosystems, but also because these crimes are difficult to prevent and trace to offenders.
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Expert testimony warned 4 yrs ago
"There is considerable evidence of intent. As mentioned in my presentation on July 9, 2012, as part of an American Center for Democracy “Briefing to Congress” when Navy SEALS killed Osama bin Laden in 2011, they captured a treasure trove of material that provided unprecedented insight into al Qaeda plans. Those plans included a detailed campaign for starting fires throughout the American West.

May 2nd, 2012, ABC News story "Al Qaeda Magazine Calls for Firebomb Campaign in U.S." referred to "Inspire” magazine on al Qaeda websites, calling for jihadists to start huge fires with timed explosives planted in U.S. forests. articles included detailed instructions for constructing remote-controlled "ember bombs"
3,31, 2012, the Department of Homeland Security released "TERRORIST INTEREST IN USING FIRE AS A WEAPON.”
https://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-TerroristFireWeapon.pdf

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News Item12/4/16 10:20 AM
Gay Allen | Wisconsin  Find all comments by Gay Allen
John L wrote:
Jihad comes in many forms...
moonshiners or jihad?

http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/moonshiners/

there are koranic verses against destroying trees and such during war but there are always kuffars

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News Item12/4/16 9:50 AM
Ignominious Emirakan | Straw  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
John L wrote:
Jihad comes in many forms...
Jihad in 20 forms?
North Carolina’s Nantahala National Forest, where more than 20 wildfires are all “being investigated for suspected arson,” forestry officials said.

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Logical evidence that Islamic terrorists and Jihadists may have turned to or advocated for arson fire as a general method of terror. The hashtags #FireJihad and #ForestJihad are starting to take off on Twitter. In Israel, a series of fires in recent days is considered possible terrorism.
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November 26, Israeli police detained 23 people “on suspicion of arson in connection with wildfires that swept across central and northern Israel this week,” CNN reported, saying that Israel was battling 250 different fires in just a few days and had battled over 1,500 fires. CNN said people on social media were connecting those “fires to current proposed Israeli legislation that could ban loudspeakers broadcasting the Muslim call to prayer.”
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[URL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/11/17/fire-wars-past-and-future-terrorist-attacks-on-american-forests-warrant-priority-attention/#739f275f2058]]]Forbes on Fire Wars-2013 warning[/URL]

Fire Wars: Past And Future Terrorist Attacks On American Forests Warrant Priority Attention

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News Item12/4/16 7:08 AM
John L | Oz  Find all comments by John L
Jihad comes in many forms...
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News Item12/4/16 5:00 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Sure, it's a big fire, but still nothing compared to....

[URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3X7fYgSoFM&feature=youtu.be]]]The Infernal Dungeon of Hell[/URL]

....biblically described by John Bunyan, and dramatised by Grace Gems.

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