Hospitalized rapper Kanye West said to be in spiritual crisis
"He feels like he‚Äôs under spiritual attack, and has been for a while," the source told People.
"Sometimes, darkness creeps in, and Kanye wrestles against it. He talks about that a lot. It‚Äôs exhausting, and it takes everything he‚Äôs got. He‚Äôs just so tired now; he‚Äôs very low energy and feels like there‚Äôs a grieving in his spirit. It‚Äôs very hard to explain, but something has happened recently, where he‚Äôs not the ‚ÄėYe that everyone knows," the source added.
Well, he's alright now, apparently Donald Troop laid hands on him. [URL=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/kanye-west-donald-trump-meeting-what-did-they-talk-about-a7473306.html]]]Kanye West‚Äôs meeting with Donald Trump: A long time coming[/URL].
If it doesn't agree with sacred scripture, then I am bound to oppose it because it opposes God, I don't think I have any power to influence a natural man because of his depravity.
Since then we are told to let our speech be always with grace and edify believers in Christ, it matters not what if we are on Facebook, Twitter, or whatever, our speech aught to minister grace to the hearers, and glorify God, be wholesome words, building up.
connor wrote: "This is how people treat it, therefore it's okay"
No, Connor, rather "this is how people treat it, therefore one has to accept it" even we do not personally like it
See, we can not change people, only God can. At best we can influence their understanding or impact them with our testimony as Mt5:16 indicates,
"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven"
Notice that the verse does not promise that people will change, or be converted after observing our good works, but that they will acknowledge God in us.
You see the dog will return to his vomit, Scriptures says, and though we think this verse applies to the unregenerate, it rather speaks about our sinful nature which if not put down under subjection under the leading or enlightenment of the Spirit goes on and on in circles of self-righteousness Pr26:11-12
We can pass judgement over people, give our estimation/prognosis, or vent our assumptions about them till we are blue in the face if we want, but envy, conceit, pride, self-service, and arrogance will not be eliminated unless the Spirit of God bends self into subjection. So we do sow the seed and commend to Him the outcome. Ti 2:7-8 & Ac 20:32
Thanks for taking the time to consider it and post it here, sure has helped me think about it, but I'm afraid it doesn't help me with the prognosis, in fact I think you're just proving my point, you are saying, "This is how people treat it, therefore it's okay."
2Timothy 3:16 is great on how to instruct someone if they wrong, I don't say I always follow it, I'm not perfect but you sandwich the negative with positive, +--+ that's the sandwich.
I'm curious to what my assumptions were, I don't want unnecessary assumptions.
connor wrote: ... I've noticed ... quick to nitpick, and complain about another person, and be slothful in thanking, appreciating, being kind in speech when there is a disagreement and inactive in praying for them.
Connor, some added observation here for your consideration.
This is a news comment section in which sometimes opinions are discussed as matters do arise, but many treat this site as if it were a chat room, Twitter or Facebook page.
This explains the different contributing approaches. Some write in a journalistic style, portraying truth without personal 'attachment', or simply they share information excluding subjective involvement, while others make it a center point for gossip/ backbiting/tantalizing, or as a counseling room where personal interests are shared, passed on, and/or discussed along the pertaining comments, or as a policing quarter for 'right' doctrine. Of course you may find also all the-in-between shades to these opposite approaches.
Perhaps, this perception may aid your prognosis above
Most of us are able to google and delve into what is taking place. I've investigated this matter myself and shared some info privately with another brother here. Those who have interest in this will do as I and others have done. Using sarcasm like 'interrupting the weekly potluck' isn't necessary. It would be nice to respect others wishes and not get too graphic here. We understand how evil looks and works - let us pray for the Lord to come, let us strive in our own walk with Christ, be watchful and ready for His coming, and warn a lost and dying world to flee the wrath to come.
because he broke from the masters and began to speak the truth about corruption, spoke of pizzagate.
they will not let them escape the kabbal.
its not just the beat, its an industry based on kabbal, its satanic meant to legitimize perversions, in the case of high level figures who put child porn on walls, beheaded statue in their walkway and know artists who create images of children in s@x trade (its just progressive art??).....
other than that its only "spirit cooking"...
oh, did I interrupt the weekly potluck and get to graphic with what KW is being "spiritually monitored" for?
...have to agree with B.Mc,I haven't seen any nitpicking either just sound observations based on Scripture. Many of us were probably passionate about a few things when we first came to faith which we have since laid to rest.
connor wrote: B.McCausland, I've noticed a certain thing, that people are quick to nitpick, and complain about another person, and be slothful in thanking, appreciating, being kind in speech when there is a disagreement and inactive in praying for them.
Connor, your assumptions seem outsized considering all that is going on in these sites, or what one reads often about in the ongoing threads.
May it be suggested that it is wise to distinguish between 'nitpicking' and people sharing Scriptural light about confused matters. Please, may we remind ourselves that it might be helpful to use fairness, or equity in assessing also.
Scriptures are set to correct, reprove and guide, and those adhering to them, with patience may use their understanding about truth to steer away error or wayward trails, following the advise of the verse below.
"Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men" 1Th 5:14
B.McCausland, I've noticed a certain thing, that people are quick to nitpick, and complain about another person, and be slothful in thanking, appreciating, being kind in speech when there is a disagreement and inactive in praying for them.
Pastor Jon wrote: ... what you're writing to me has nothing to do with the points I made. Please interact with my theological statements rather than ranting aminlessly about something I'm not talking about. We're not even interacting at all, you continue to completely miss my whole point. So I'll leave it at, that. God bless
Jon, what it is discussed here is a genre of music that cannot be sustained as valid according to the light we know in Christ. Connor, and myself have pointed out some of the objections using the lyrics yourself posted, while others have shared substantial insights about the matter in this same thread. It is beyond our power if you are taking the issue outside this purpose.
Rap is unsustainable by essence as epitomizes a philosophy contrary to Christian ethos. Besides, it totally violates decent music principle and connotation.
If you cannot take such criticism it might be that your personal involvement is at question.
"For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things." I John 3
Connor Presently, light reveals all things. John 3:19-21
However in the end, "Every man's work ... shall be revealed by fire ... (to) try every man's work of what sort it is" 1Co 3:13
Sorry Jon, that last comment was kinda in the works when you posted your comment, forgive me for that brother, I will just close with this, I don't question your salvation, obviously you are passionate about your music, I like your satire, I've seen it in other threads and it puts a smile on my face every time, God bless you brother.
I think anyone who thinks that Pastor Jon is not saved or thinks he's doing something seriously wrong and doesn't pray for him certainly needs to examine themselves, if you're just going to nitpick and not take action, you need to repent, hypocrites nitpick and don't help.
Pastor Jon, thanks for answering the question, I do feel that it is kinda fearful the way you put it though, but before I go any further I'm not interested in a debate, I know some people have an attitude, "I'm going to beat this guy" I'm not going to do that, I want to try to reason with you.
I just thought it would be good just to set that forth. Now I your reply was a little troublesome because how I read it was, "Yes it's possible but if so God has not given us tools to discern what is the wrong genre." Since Satan is the enemy of the redeemed and that old serpent and deceiver, I believe that he would invest time in producing a improper genre of worship, and that there would be a way to discern that.
Now, to speak the truth, and I'm not looking to offend you, but that song is blasphemous, "Chilled with no one else" what does that mean? Does God chill with the saved and angels and diss Satan, his host and the unsaved?
" And we can only guess the conversation" I'm not sure there was much debate, Jesus wasn't surprised. And the last part sounds fertility typish, how did we go from God to breeding cows?
Guys, this is really pointless, I don't want to be rude but what you're writing to me has nothing to do with the points I made. Please interact with my theological statements rather than ranting aminlessly about something I'm not talking about. We're not even interacting at all, you continue to completely miss my whole point. So I'll leave it at, that. God bless
Pastor Jon wrote: ... to sing with *grace* in our hearts unto the Lord
... I can obey that singing a rap song
The gospel is the proclamation of biblical facts without guile.
However, rap lyrics tend to include raw language that lead into 1. distasteful innuendo as in ‚ÄúChilled with no one else‚ÄĚ, ‚Äúfilled within Himself‚ÄĚ 2. inappropriate connotations as ‚Äúborn ‚Ä¶ with *breeding* cows‚ÄĚ 3. obscene expressions as ‚ÄúGod passed through His own creature's uterus‚ÄĚ 4. hilarious statements as ‚Äúan Omnipotent God was crying as a baby?‚ÄĚ
Rap lyrics are self-centred, endeared in rebellion because the writer‚Äôs main purpose is to ‚Äėdo-it-my-own-way‚Äô while pursuing unconventional expressions regardless of sensibilities, which inevitably decline into an irreverent mode.
Such predicament makes doubtful to affirm that one can sing such lyrics 'with *grace* in our hearts unto the Lord', because the setting is totally contradictory to the definition of biblical grace.
BTW, the lyrics also include questionable inferences: ‚Äėthere was Satan‚Äô, ‚Äėfire angels‚Äô, ‚ÄėTriangle of Love‚Äô, ‚Äėraun‚Äô
Our speech is meant to be with salt, meaning pure. ‚ÄúLet your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt‚ÄĚ Col 4:6 ‚ÄúSound speech, that cannot be condemned;‚ÄĚ Ti 2:8
Pastor Jon wrote: 1. questioning my salvation because of my view of Christian rap music
2. God uses more vulgar language that you realize, .. prostitution, castrations, ... dirty menstral rags, ...
1. Jon, this is biblical, we read in Scriptures the exhortation to examine ourselves if we are in the faith (2Co 13:5) It is a healthy practice to examine the fruit in our lives, to see if there are tokens of the grace of God in us. Personal views about questionable issues are accurate indicators of the measure of work of the Spirit in us, who by his presence and conviction, sanctifies our taste, opinions, customs and preferences.
2. Certainly God realistically handles all human perversions in the narratives, but veils them with discretion from obscenity, which thing seems lacking in lines 5, 13,14 &20 of the lyrics you presented for instance. However, such are not the real issues about vulgarity, because God brings reality without staining the minds of the readers, but stirring them towards the realization of the gravity of sin.
E.g. Have you noticed how God defines the intimacy between a man and his wife? See Gen 4:1 "Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived .. " How different to the lingo used in our present day to describe the same!
Pastor Jon wrote: Thanks for questioning my salvation because of my view of Christian rap music, that's sober judgment brother. I hate to break it to you but God uses more vulgar language that you realize, how many references to prostitution, castrations, and our good works being nothing more than dirty menstral rags, and we could go on and on. We don't need to apologize for God's choice of words, his alone are perfect, but to say he never uses what you would define as "inoffensive thought". How you ever read past Leviticus? Any of the prophets? Maybe once you read the prophets you might retract that statement brother
you got the gender of B McCausland wrong and your response has nothing to do with what she is trying to say.
Thanks for questioning my salvation because of my view of Christian rap music, that's sober judgment brother.
I hate to break it to you but God uses more vulgar language that you realize, how many references to prostitution, castrations, and our good works being nothing more than dirty menstral rags, and we could go on and on. We don't need to apologize for God's choice of words, his alone are perfect, but to say he never uses what you would define as "inoffensive thought". How you ever read past Leviticus? Any of the prophets? Maybe once you read the prophets you might retract that statement brother
How does the view rap wrote: Rap music has long had a reputation of being a form of music that represents violence, sexual exploitation and excess. The hip-hop/rap genre, despite having garnered a reputation of violence and misogyny...
was supposed to be how does the World view rap. Sad to see Christians defend that which the world says is base.