Viral sermon hints at God's hidden purpose for Trump
A movement is sweeping quietly across evangelical Christian America, sparked by a minister asking a simple question: “Would you have voted for Cyrus the Great?”
His sermon – “I Am the Only God There Is!” – derives from Isaiah 45:22, which reads: “Look unto me and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God and there is no one else.”
Reading from Isaiah, Chapters 44 and 45, Thomas evokes the historical Cyrus the Great, who ruled Persia from 559 to 530 B.C. Cyrus was renowned for defeating the Babylonian Empire and liberating the Jews from Babylonian captivity, re-establishing the city of Jerusalem and issuing a decree that...
NeedHim wrote: With all due respect towards you John Y, it's nothing personal. You are drinking the cool aid of the deception of Rome, the Roman Catholic Jesus needs help, to save & justify sinners, that isn't the Biblical Christ.
Once upon a time the doctrine of the Papal Antichrist was preached faithfully across this land and people understood. Go into the assemblies today and the men that preach are all akin to circus sideshow acts..each outdoing the next in a contortionist act... turning upside down and every which way to avoid the truth and pretend the scripture in no way ever could or would point to Rome. It is disgusting... these foul the waters with their feet. Woe unto them.
Here's a link to the sermon this article speaks of:[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=101716947391]]]http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1017..[/URL] Please judge the man's message for yourselves. Thanks!
Mike wrote: It isn't America needs repenting; it's the Church in America. The Lord calls *his* people to to turn from *their* wicked ways. We can't expect unbelievers to do this. Now we need ask, what has the Church done, or not done, that has allowed the garbage to ferment and grow? Consider this in light of how much influence the Church once had in this non-Christian nation. Then ask what should we, the Church, right now, be doing to seek God's mercy and regain his blessing?
NeedHim wrote: With all due respect towards you John Y, it's nothing personal. You are drinking the cool aid of the deception of Rome, the Roman Catholic Jesus needs help, to save & justify sinners, that isn't the Biblical Christ. May the Lord remove your spiritual blinders away, that brings-forth, salvation through the love of sound doctrines amen. The Catholic Church teaches transubstantiation, that the bread and wine are transformed literally into the body and blood of Jesus. Thus in the mass, the priest calls Jesus down from heaven, and in the breaking of the bread Jesus is re-sacrificed. The mass is meritorious, as one of the seven sacraments, and it is a “true and proper sacrifice.” Here again is the council of Trent: If any one saith that in the Mass a true and proper sacrifice is not offered to God; or, that to be offered is nothing else but that Christ is given us to eat; let him be anathema.”
It is insane to state the RCC believes in and worships a false jesus. The Apostles and Nicene Creeds state "We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God". Does that sound like a false jesus? That is the biblical and historical Jesus the RCC believes in and worships. Luther did not believe the RCC worships a false jesus.
ladybug wrote: MikeNY, You really aren't serious here are you - "Do we not speak for God when we assume he's done with us?" Not sure what your point is, especially in reference to what John Y. stated. If someone states Trump is under God's mandate to be president, wouldn't you expect that to be backed by scripture? As for women not being allowed to vote, I agree with that.
Ladybug, sorry for not being clear. I was not at all responding to anything JY said, but to this:
"We dare not assume to speak for God when what we say is nothing more than our opinion.If you can't back this with scripture, then repent and stop posting this nonsense."
There is no doubt many here state or think God is done with us. We can't know that. It is assumption, speaking for God, or opinion. Historically, awakenings came at the times when things are at their lowest and darkest. I would think this is such a time. Now what is it brought about awakening?
connor wrote: Thanks Frank for the e-mail, I'm not feeling good so I kinda just glossed over it for now but I'll go back and read it, but I agree with your point with man and lady being one and the application concerning voting. So you would say that single women could vote right?
My thoughts were simply to show God's original design for men/women and how foreign that design is from the current cultures. Most would say I was guilty of some type of Misogyny.
At this point, I think it is impossible to reverse, so my thoughts were mostly philosophical and really have no present day practical application; except to make us ponder.
I asked my wife one time if she would give up her vote to eliminate all of the liberal agendas and she "simply looked at me and didn't answer".
Your question is a good one about single women and I will say I haven't thought that through yet.
But, let me say again, my thoughts were mostly philosophical and have no practical application today.
Ladybug,
Thanks for your encouraging comment and I'm glad my email blessed you!
(TMC) About women not getting the vote: I wish the father and husband's role as family representitive in the public sphere would have been preserved. For a woman to be a "Suffragette" would seem to clearly indicate non-submission and disagreement with their father or husband's representation of them. Thanks to Feminists "success" (and men's caving) in the early 1900's, the votes of Christian family men are drowned in a sea of votes from single mothers looking to the state as their provider and protector. Nowadays, the best way for a wife or daughter to strengthen the impact of their husband/ father's vote is to vote the same way he does, thus giving his voice more weight.
The statement 'God voting for Cyrus' is an excessive anthropomorphism that intrudes badly the sovereignty of God. God does all things according to his purpose, because he works all things after the counsel of his own will, (Eph 1:11), which is far beyond what we are able to do or decide as mere limited humans. To align our puny voting dilemmas with the eternal working knowledge of his will may be over simplifying. Neo Calvinist logistics often derive too 'smart' conclusions by such reasoning.
Let's give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar by faith in the One who is not taken aback by what man is going to do in the end. At the same time let's not play God as if everything depended on us, knowing we pertain to a kingdom by which righteousness reigns.
"My kingdom is not of this world: if (it) were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews" Jh 18:36
"I appoint unto you a kingdom, ... That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel" Luk 22:29-30
"... receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace ... with reverence and godly fear .. the removing of ... things that are shaken ... that those things which cannot be shaken may remain" Hb 12:27-28
"All the nations before Him are as nothing; and are counted unto as less than nothing, and vanity." Isaiah 40:17. What we see as big problems facing our country and the world are very small in comparison to God. Just step back and ponder that verse. We serve a Great God!
I read your thoughts on women not voting via e-mail exchange and they were most excellent. I only hope others will ask you for your thoughts and you will make it available to them thru e-mail as well. I agree wholeheartedly with all you stated and was enlightened on the subject by what you wrote.
Thank you for sharing and blessing me with your writings!
connor wrote: Why shouldn't be allowed to vote? Sincere question open for anyone who believes it, I'm open to hear you. Also, this is open for everyone, what is the difference between attacking someone, like, "They are attacking Trump because of his views." And state the truth about someone, "Hilary supports murder."
Yes, Hillary does support murder and just about every other abomination that scripture condemns. And just think, if women hadn't been given the right to vote, Hillary would not even be standing in front of us much less destroying our culture.
You really aren't serious here are you - "Do we not speak for God when we assume he's done with us?" Not sure what your point is, especially in reference to what John Y. stated.
If someone states Trump is under God's mandate to be president, wouldn't you expect that to be backed by scripture?
As for women not being allowed to vote, I agree with that.
Mike wrote: It isn't America needs repenting; it's the Church in America. The Lord calls *his* people to to turn from *their* wicked ways. We can't expect unbelievers to do this. Now we need ask, what has the Church done, or not done, that has allowed the garbage to ferment and grow? Consider this in light of how much influence the Church once had in this non-Christian nation. Then ask what should we, the Church, right now, be doing to seek God's mercy and regain his blessing?
We should give the Burden for America- a load of guilt for abandoned truth that surpasses other nations warned by God of coming judgement for their nation if fruits of repentance are not seen
The burden of Nineveh Nah1:1 The burden of Babylon Is13:1 The burden of Moab Is15:1 The burden of Damascus 17:1 The burden of Egypt 19:1 The burden of Tyre 23:1
burden:Rev 18 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues
I hate to bring up the obvious. Maybe its easy for me, because in my BIBLICAL Church only men in good standing can vote.
If this were a Biblical election as the Reformers encouraged, Hillary couldn't be a candidate and only men could vote. Even the most liberal election scholar would concede Trump would win if only men could vote.
I only bring this up because so many women on this thread are attacking Trump
What on earth is happening to the good folks in South Carolina? Wasn't this Sinclair Ferguson's congregation at one time? Or am I just having a bad dream?
With all due respect towards you John Y, it's nothing personal. You are drinking the cool aid of the deception of Rome, the Roman Catholic Jesus needs help, to save & justify sinners, that isn't the Biblical Christ. May the Lord remove your spiritual blinders away, that brings-forth, salvation through the love of sound doctrines amen.
The Catholic Church teaches transubstantiation, that the bread and wine are transformed literally into the body and blood of Jesus. Thus in the mass, the priest calls Jesus down from heaven, and in the breaking of the bread Jesus is re-sacrificed. The mass is meritorious, as one of the seven sacraments, and it is a “true and proper sacrifice.” Here again is the council of Trent:
If any one saith that in the Mass a true and proper sacrifice is not offered to God; or, that to be offered is nothing else but that Christ is given us to eat; let him be anathema.”
S.Taylor wrote: The real question to ask is this, what has this nation done to regain God's blessing and approval? I do think there is a strong likelihood that God has turned this nation over to an even lower level of depravity. She is not yet ready to repent.
Ignominious Emirakan wrote: --- but it seems that we are close to a good spanking from the LORD as a proud nation - either way God is not done with us - if we do not repent and return God will use Emiraka as a "byword")
It isn't America needs repenting; it's the Church in America. The Lord calls *his* people to to turn from *their* wicked ways. We can't expect unbelievers to do this. Now we need ask, what has the Church done, or not done, that has allowed the garbage to ferment and grow? Consider this in light of how much influence the Church once had in this non-Christian nation. Then ask what should we, the Church, right now, be doing to seek God's mercy and regain his blessing?
Mike wrote: Do we not speak for God when we assume he's done with us?
From Geneva Bible link to Romans 1 here on SA- "1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
(o) By the "judgment of God" he means that which the philosophers called the "law of nature", and the lawyers themselves termed the "law of nations". (p) Are companions and partakers with them in their wickedness, and beside that, commend those who do wrong" -
The law of Nature's God thus informing the founders' view that Romans 1 applies to nations. An "American View" being that God may give up on a NATION made up of evil men. ( my previous .84% of righteous people being aligned with hope that we may pray that judgement be held back - a point in agreement with your hope - but it seems that we are close to a good spanking from the LORD as a proud nation - either way God is not done with us - if we do not repent and return God will use Emiraka as a "byword")
And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee. Dt28:37
a "good example" -- of what NOT to do. God's use for U.S.?
They won't let trump win. I think both make sick, but I can't see the establishment allowing trump in, unless it is the will of God. Although I don't see judgement lifting, I believe real judgment is coming. That'll give em something to talk about. Hooroo
The real question to ask is this, what has this nation done to regain God's blessing and approval? I do think there is a strong likelihood that God has turned this nation over to an even lower level of depravity. She is not yet ready to repent.
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