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WEDNESDAY, OCT 12, 2016  |  78 comments  |  2 commentaries
Only Two Prominent Evangelicals Break with Trump

Many evangelical leaders are choosing to stand by Donald Trump even after a video of Trump was released in which the presidential candidate talks about groping and kissing women.

James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family and one of Trump’s religious advisors, said the comments were “deplorable,” but he chooses Trump over Hillary Clinton.

“I also find Hillary Clinton’s support of partial birth abortion criminal and her opinion of evangelicals to be bigoted,” he said. “There really is only one difference between the two. Mr. Trump promises to support religious liberty and the dignity of the unborn. Mrs. Clinton promises she will not.”

Robert Jeffress, senior pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas also said the comments were “lewd,” but not enough “to make me vote for Hillary Clinton.” ...


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News Item10/15/16 12:08 PM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
(TMC)
While I sincerely hope that the allegations are false, some of this mess is Trump’s own fault. His bragging about walking in on women, what he felt he could get away with, the ways he has reffered to women, and praising and hanging out with a child molestor, all help make those alleged behaviors believeable.

I’m noticing an interesting trend in both MSM titles and private comments. The Dems are refferring to Clinton’s alleged victims as “accusers” and Trump’s alleged victims just as “victims”. The exact inverse is being done by Republicans. If it never went to trial, then the only fair thing on both sides is to view it as just an allegation, not a fact.

Christian compromises in the Church, Political, and Private spheres have brought us to this point.
It’s a sorry mess all the way around.

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News Item10/14/16 11:04 PM
connor | Ca  Find all comments by connor
Ignominious, I don't think Hilary will be the "communist dictator" I do think that she will make some laws that will make our lives harder, but it will give us wisdom to prepare for rough times ahead.

I think Hillary will make the laws, plus it gives time for there to be an increasing issue, ISIS, that will attack during Hilary Clinton's term (in the USA), the true communist dictator will promise peace, prosperity, relief from trouble, bigger police control to handle the criminals and ISIS, to protect the people.

Thus creating more jobs, then said communist will will, have all the laws what Hilary made, and have the power to do lot's of damage.

My theory, but it's clearly hypothetical.

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News Item10/14/16 6:52 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
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News Item10/14/16 6:49 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Now  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
connor wrote:
I can only hope that God spares us a few more years of freedom to evangelize, if Hilary gets elected, I cannot help but to think that whoever comes after her, will reign as a communist dictator.
After?
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News Item10/14/16 6:39 PM
connor | Ca  Find all comments by connor
I can only hope that God spares us a few more years of freedom to evangelize, if Hilary gets elected, I cannot help but to think that whoever comes after her, will reign as a communist dictator.
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News Item10/14/16 9:30 AM
pennelope  Find all comments by pennelope
the news stories against trump are blatantly false last few days "he was a perfect gentleman" and the rape victims of bill are fearful for their lives. the church better wake up, this candidate has most votes of any republican candidate ever, still filling stadiums multiple times a day, with sound, courageous speeches.

he has used his own money, not funded by the bankers who created TPP, open borders, take down of west.

lets not forget what was done to scalia.

this election matters, and that is why the globalists mean to demoralize the evangelicals who they see as easily manipulated.

RNC spent:
2008/McCain $53 million

2012/Romney $42 million

2016/Trump $.3mill pre-candidate, $0 million after candidate

this is outrageous! going against their own candidate! unprecedented!

McCain helped create ISIS, freedom fighters, Romney ran on globalist agenda.

Trump runs on returning American sovereignty. He has challenged the system and Christians should be praying for his protection instead of lazily believing fables.

the world awaits americans getting a back bone again.

Nov 8 is America's brexit.

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News Item10/14/16 8:22 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
GSMontana wrote:
The one ray of hope is that Trump is evidence that the American people have had enough of the corruption in Washington, whether or not he'll be able to fix any of that is debatable, but people are willing to take a chance with him. The problem is that even if Trump is elected, we might get a short respite from the liberal madness of the last eight years, but in long run he'll only slow down the inevitable. Each generation is more dumb and morally bankrupt than the last. Progressives control the education system, media, entertainment industry, ect, insuring legions of dumbed down liberal sycophants for years to come. Parents invest little time in their kids to offset this overdose of liberal propaganda if they dont believe it themselves. Whats this country gonna look like when millennials are running the show? It aint gonna be pretty. Unless the Lord has mercy on this country and blesses this nation with spiritual awakening, I don't see things getting better in the long run.
Amen, GS. But we need remember there is no inevitability. Every awakening begins with prayer, and previous awakenings came when the nation was at low and spiritually dark times. The Lord isn't waiting for atheists to turn from their wicked ways.
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News Item10/14/16 7:09 AM
Nik | Australia  Contact via emailFind all comments by Nik
To the brethren in the U.S of A,
Donald or Hellary, um Hitlery, um Hillary,
It may not matter ,one is old and the other is old and sick, neither may see out their term if elected, look to their running mates, you may just have a man with a bible in his hands sitting in the Oval Office sooner than later...
Vote Mike Pence!!!
Proverbs1:5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:=Donald
Proverbs 1:25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:= Hellary
At least with Donald there is hope that the word of God can still guide him,
Praise the Lord
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News Item10/14/16 12:13 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
What a shame, it takes a secular source to point out the hypocrisy of some evangelicals!

Rich Lowry wrote:
Lanny Davis must be dizzy from the déjà vu.

Davis was a famously stalwart defender of Bill Clinton during the scandals of the 1990s. Little did he know that the excuses and rationalizations made for Clinton then would be repurposed by some of Clinton's harshest and most moralistic critics for a Republican presidential nominee.

Such are the gymnastics that Donald Trump requires of his most loyal evangelical backers. One day, historians will puzzle over how a man representing the mores of a debased celebrity culture became not just the nominee of the Republican Party, but the candidate of the religious right.

Falwell endorsed Trump in the primaries, apparently on the counterintuitive theory that the man with the lowest character in the field who had the least genuine conviction on social-conservative issues would best serve the interests of the religious right.

excerpt from, [URL=http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/evangelicals-without-standards-214352 ]]]http://tinyurl.com/h3f3x7e (Evangelicals Without Standards)[/URL]

Good article read the rest of it : thumbsup:

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News Item10/13/16 10:40 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
GS Montana, you said "The problem is that even if Trump is elected, we might get a short respite from the liberal madness of the last eight years, but in long run he'll only slow down the inevitable. Each generation is more dumb and morally bankrupt than the last. Progressives control the education system, media, entertainment industry, etc, insuring legions of dumbed down liberal sycophants for years to come. Parents invest little time in their kids to offset this overdose of liberal propaganda if they dont believe it themselves... Unless the Lord has mercy on this country and blesses this nation with spiritual awakening, I don't see things getting better in the long run."

Excellent, amen! Why should God give America anything other than what is deserving? So many want to blame the political parties or 'complacent Christians', when in fact, the blame lies on the people of this nation. Sin is rampant in America, the family is in meltdown mode, addiction is rampant as is immoral behavior. Greed and selfishness are the rule of the day. And people think Trump or Clinton can fix this? It's spiritual folks, it isn't political. Until we {generally speaking} realize this, we will continue to spin our wheels and waste time over who is the 'better' candidate. Both are equally evil!

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News Item10/13/16 7:57 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Test  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
pennelope wrote:
God has not ordained for good men to remain silent
and evil women to rule over them,
God wants us to repent and do what is right in His eyes.
I dare say this is exactly the Clinton strategy
is to demoralize those trying to stop her reign of terror.

“Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression"
is. 58:1a
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News Item10/13/16 6:35 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike wrote:
Jim is still trying to convince himself. That's why he posts the same links over and over. And over. If he were as confident in Clinton's overwhelming election as he says, he wouldn't need to convince anyone here.
New one, Mike, [URL=http://tinyurl.com/hhwrfkr]]]http://tinyurl.com/hhwrfkr (Donald Trump Threatens to Sue The Times Over Article on Unwanted Advances)[/URL], from which,
NY Times wrote:
The Times stood by the article on Thursday. ”We stand by the story, which falls clearly into the realm of public service journalism,” Eileen Murphy, a spokeswoman for The Times, said in a statement.

David McCraw, vice president and assistant general counsel of The New York Times, followed up in a letter to Mr. Kasowitz and said that the article would not be retracted.

“The women quoted in our story spoke out on an issue of national importance - indeed, an issue that Mr. Trump himself discussed with the whole nation watching during Sunday night’s presidential debate,” Mr. McCraw wrote. “It would have been a disservice not just to our readers but to democracy itself to silence their voices.”

, Ah, but I do repeat some that are worth repeating! [URL=http://tinyurl.com/zbp5w7p]]] http://tinyurl.com/zbp5w7p
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News Item10/13/16 6:17 PM
GSMontana  Find all comments by GSMontana
The one ray of hope is that Trump is evidence that the American people have had enough of the corruption in Washington, whether or not he'll be able to fix any of that is debatable, but people are willing to take a chance with him. The problem is that even if Trump is elected, we might get a short respite from the liberal madness of the last eight years, but in long run he'll only slow down the inevitable. Each generation is more dumb and morally bankrupt than the last. Progressives control the education system, media, entertainment industry, ect, insuring legions of dumbed down liberal sycophants for years to come. Parents invest little time in their kids to offset this overdose of liberal propaganda if they dont believe it themselves. Whats this country gonna look like when millennials are running the show? It aint gonna be pretty. Unless the Lord has mercy on this country and blesses this nation with spiritual awakening, I don't see things getting better in the long run.
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News Item10/13/16 5:57 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Ditto
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News Item10/13/16 4:45 PM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
SteveR wrote:
Our Republic is lost if everyone thought the way you do...
If everyone thought as Brother GS, we'd be in far better shape as a country.
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News Item10/13/16 4:33 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
SteveR wrote:
imo- Jim has had a great deal of success convincing people here to not vote Trump
Jim is still trying to convince himself. That's why he posts the same links over and over. And over. If he were as confident in Clinton's overwhelming election as he says, he wouldn't need to convince anyone here.
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News Item10/13/16 3:53 PM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
(TMC)
@JY His posts violate the principles of Christian Charity, as did your post at Connor. Those are a lot more important than mere forum policy.
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News Item10/13/16 3:17 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
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News Item10/13/16 3:05 PM
Buckeyes | USA  Find all comments by Buckeyes
(2Tim 3:16) @Jim Lincoln Before I denounce your opinion that America has never been a Christian nation, would you mind defining what you would consider a Christian nation to be. Just to make this painfully clear the Hillary supporters are at least as wrong and for the same reasons. Part of applying your Christian ethics to every area of life is not voting for candidates in favour of mass murder ie. abortion.
Irony Alert: SteveR just told someone to Grow Up!!
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News Item10/13/16 3:04 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
GSMontana wrote:
SteveR wrote:
When are you going to move out of your Moms basement, get a real job and get married? You know, be fruitful and multiply. You aren't a kid anymore.
When are you going to grow up and quit insulting every one you disagree with? Here's another question: why do you stick around a forum you hate, amongst people you hate?
Just lucky I guess...btw- I have good friends who are Pastors that submit sermons here
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