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FRONT PAGE  |  2/17/2020
MONDAY, SEP 19, 2016  |  116 comments
Ray Comfort Says Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses 'Offer Nothing' to a Dying Person
Evangelist Ray Comfort has claimed that Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses would not be able to offer anything to a dying person, because they believe salvation to Heaven has to be earned.

The outspoken evangelical, who recently released his "The Atheist delusion" documentary arguing for the existence of God, responded on Facebook to a comment that accused him of having a lack of compassion for offering advice on how to minister to a woman on her deathbed, even though she might not have wanted it.

The comment also asked him if he would be just as understanding if a Mormon or Jehovah's Witness came to the hospital bed of one of his loved ones and shared their views on salvation. ...


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News Item9/26/18 7:29 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Leyland Cecco wrote:
Three people who were arrested naked by Canadian police after kidnapping their neighbours and crashing their car into another vehicle were Jehovah’s Witnesses who believed that they were escaping the end of the world, according to court documents....
excerpt from, "Demons and armageddon: details emerge in naked kidnapping case"

[ https://tinyurl.com/y7v2npyz ]

Even if they use God's right name, Yahweh, instead of Jehovah, God wouldn't have listened to them

I don't know anything about Roy Comfort, but he is right about,
https://tinyurl.com/yangu2j7 (Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses)

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News Item10/30/16 2:29 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
In case of Jehovah Witnesses that might be part of the problem even in the physical death of a person. [URL=http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/quebec-coroner-investigating-death-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-following-c-section]]] Quebec coroner investigating death of Jehovah’s Witness who died following C-section [/URL] .
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News Item9/26/16 5:02 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
s c wrote:
Good comment,Christopher and a sobering thought.
There are many who,on that day,will have to hear "Depart from Me,I never knew you".
Many are really deceived.
Another thought to consider is how far off are we from obeying God?
Culture and traditions often make compromise less obvious. They seem harmless enough,don't they?
Consider how freakish or "legalistic" one is thought to be if they reject "holy days",for example.
How many churches follow a liturgical calendar? These things are "golden calves" given straight from the devil's puppet- (the RCC). No one would deny that the "holiday" in the 12th month was given by them...still
...not condemning Christians to Hell because they fall prey to these traditions,just making a point in regards to compromise or making Scripture fit to ones whims.
Quite agree SC. Many folks in the UK have not even considered these specific things, and the majority will not consider them, even when confronted with them. The tradition of which you speak has a powerful hold over men, which to my mind makes it more than just an opinion; rather it is a spiritual power which binds men up and refuses to let them go. Besides it is easier to go with the flow and not rock the boat.
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News Item9/25/16 4:10 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks SC.
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News Item9/24/16 1:03 PM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
Good comment,Christopher and a sobering thought.
There are many who,on that day,will have to hear "Depart from Me,I never knew you".
Many are really deceived.
Another thought to consider is how far off are we from obeying God?
Culture and traditions often make compromise less obvious. They seem harmless enough,don't they?
Consider how freakish or "legalistic" one is thought to be if they reject "holy days",for example.
How many churches follow a liturgical calendar? These things are "golden calves" given straight from the devil's puppet- (the RCC). No one would deny that the "holiday" in the 12th month was given by them...still
...not condemning Christians to Hell because they fall prey to these traditions,just making a point in regards to compromise or making Scripture fit to ones whims.
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News Item9/24/16 8:36 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
SC Wrote:
"...There is a pattern here,however.
One who picks and chooses that which is "biblical" may also be confused over that which is expressly written other places."

Hi SC, I feel like the word, "confusion" isn't even a remote part of the equation any longer. I think it's simply about believing what one chooses to, accurate or not, biblical or not, because it's all about comprimising truth to fit neatly around what makes one comfortable. I think it's about working hard to justify where one knows they're in the wrong, deep down, but the twisting and bending, the pretending, additions and omissions to justify faulty positions give one a sense of relief and comfort.
We can't hide from, or fool God though. The question is simple, really...are we being obediant to the Word that He's made crystal clear to us, or have we chosen to do things our own way because our way is more comfortable?

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News Item9/23/16 4:38 PM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
Maybe going straight to Luther's Book of Concord,large catechism,sacrament of the altar,particularly after (10) on will help.
They're off but it's there.

Obviously,J Y can learn something from them and ditch his lame attempts to educate us.

There is a pattern here,however.
One who picks and chooses that which is "biblical" may also be confused over that which is expressly written other places.

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News Item9/23/16 3:53 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Communion is simply obeying what the Lord said to do and giving thanks and remembrance for His sacrifice on the cross...
Bro Frank, what do you think about this?

Communion = Fellowship

Holy Communion = Holy Fellowship

Fellowship = Being with someone, either spiritually or physically

Now what does this mean, in light of that?

The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
(1 Corinthians 10:16 KJV)

John Yurich, thanks for your answer. See if you have an answer to the above question.

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News Item9/23/16 3:34 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Frank, When the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion states the true body and blood of Jesus it does not mean the physical body and blood of Jesus like the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion. The Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion means that Jesus is present spiritually in, with and under the bread and wine but the bread and wine remain bread and wine and are not transformed into the physical body and blood of Jesus. The Lutheran ministers do not claim to be able to bring Jesus down from Heaven and become transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus. The Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion is thus scriptural.
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News Item9/23/16 3:13 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
The below was taken from the Missouri Lutheran Synod. My understanding is there are nuances as to what Lutherans believe, so some may in fact state it is only the spiritual aspect of the body and blood of Christ, but the below is from the most conservative element of Lutheranism.

Q: In Communion, do we commune with the sacrificed body and blood of Jesus, or the resurrected body and blood of Jesus?

A: The answer to your question is that we receive in, with, and under the bread and wine the true body and blood of Christ shed on the cross, Jesus Christ Who is now risen and ascended and sits at the right hand of God the Father. He is the same Christ, and when he gave us the Sacrament, as the Lutheran Confessions affirm, "he was speaking of his true, essential body, which he gave into death for us, and of his true, essential blood, which was poured out for us on the tree of the cross for the forgiveness of sins" (Formula of Concord, Solid Declaration VII, 49).

I also read where the Lutherans require magic words of the Priests to conform the bread and wine into whatever they say it is. They are more mystical and RC than biblical.

Communion is simply obeying what the Lord said to do and giving thanks and remembrance for His sacrifice on the cross; His flesh and blood

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News Item9/23/16 2:17 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
John UK wrote:
John I wonder if you can explain what this Lutheran doctrine means, that the Lord Jesus Christ is...
1. ...present in the bread and wine
2. ...with the bread and wine
3. ...under the bread and wine
Thank you.
It means that Jesus is present spiritually in, with and under the bread and wine but the bread and wine remain bread and wine and are not transformed into the physical body and blood of Jesus. The Lutheran ministers don't claim to be able to bring Jesus down from Heaven to physically become the bread and wine.
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News Item9/23/16 1:39 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John Yurich USA wrote:
The Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion does not state that the bread and wine are the actual body and blood of Jesus. It states that Jesus is present in, with and under the bread and wine.....
John I wonder if you can explain what this Lutheran doctrine means, that the Lord Jesus Christ is...

1. ...present in the bread and wine
2. ...with the bread and wine
3. ...under the bread and wine

Thank you.

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News Item9/23/16 1:21 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
s c wrote:
When I cited the info from "their own",J Y, I pasted,which is permissible,from the MO Lutheran synod's website.
If you want to convince them that what is on their own website is false,by all means,go for it.
Luther didn't want people to call themselves "Lutherans" either...that didn't work out to well either ,did it?
The Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion does not state that the bread and wine are the actual body and blood of Jesus. It states that Jesus is present in, with and under the bread and wine but the bread and wine remain bread and wine and are not transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus like the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion states. The Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion is 100 percent different from the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion. The Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion is scriptural. I was told by a Lutheran woman on a discussion forum that Lutherans don't like their doctrine of Holy Communion to be referred to as Consubstantiation because she stated the Lutherans don't have a name for their doctrine of Holy Communion.
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News Item9/23/16 1:09 PM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
When I cited the info from "their own",J Y, I pasted,which is permissible,from the MO Lutheran synod's website.
If you want to convince them that what is on their own website is false,by all means,go for it.
Luther didn't want people to call themselves "Lutherans" either...that didn't work out to well either ,did it?
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News Item9/23/16 11:48 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
s c wrote:
From their own : What does the Lutheran church believe about the Lord’s Supper?
The Lutheran church believes, teaches and confesses that the Lord’s Supper is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus
Christ,under the bread and wine,given to us Christians to eat and to drink.We hold that the bread and the wine in the
Supper are the true body and blood of Christ and that these are given and received into the mouths of all who commune. Those who believe the promise: “Given and shed for you for
the forgiveness of sins,”receive forgiveness of sins,life and salvation.
This promise, along with the bodily eating and drinking, is the main thing in the Sacrament. Consubstantiation is essentially,not too different than transubstantiation. It is more elusive, however. Maybe your Aunt just rejected the "Lutheran/RC" doctrines when she converted. Not trying to disrespect her. I know how the Lutheran church likes to do a sort of oral gymnastics with doctrine. Maybe she's just misled.
The Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion does not state the bread and wine are the actual body and blood of Jesus. Therefore it is totally different and scriptural. Lutherans don't like their doctrine of Holy Communion to be referred to as Consubstantiation.
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News Item9/22/16 5:20 PM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
From their own : What does the Lutheran church believe about
the Lord’s Supper?

The Lutheran church believes, teaches and confesses that
the Lord’s Supper is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus
Christ,under the bread and wine,given to us Christians to eat
and to drink.We hold that the bread and the wine in the
Supper are the true body and blood of Christ and that these are
given and received into the mouths of all who commune.
Those who believe the promise: “Given and shed for you for
the forgiveness of sins,”receive forgiveness of sins,life and salvation.
This promise, along with the bodily eating and drinking,
is the main thing in the Sacrament.

Consubstantiation is essentially,not too different than transubstantiation.
It is more elusive,however.
Maybe your Aunt just rejected the "Lutheran/RC" doctrines when she converted.
...not trying to disrespect her. I know how the Lutheran church likes to do a sort of oral gymnastics with doctrine.
Maybe she's just misled.

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News Item9/22/16 1:51 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
s c wrote:
J Y,I've witnessed it firsthand.
They love "all saints day" and are very RC in that regard. Their views on infant baptism are the same as the RCC as well
and, of course, they follow the same liturgical calendar, observing particular saints on certain dates and using the same assigned colors depending on the RCC "priests" color du jour/"season". They also relish their phony "jesus" pictures. They are supposed be reformed but,in truth,they are very much RC believing, essentially, the same of their wafer and wine "communion". Though they tend to be more elusive about it,Christ is supposedly physically present in their "jesus" wafer and they believe that they are forgiven of their sins that week by eating the wafer and drinking the wine.
The Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion is totally different than the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion. The Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion states Jesus is present in, with and under the bread and wine but is not the actual body and blood of Jesus. So stop stating "Jesus" wafer. I know more about the Lutheran Church than you do because my late Aunt converted from Catholicism to the Lutheran Church when she married a Lutheran and I studied up on the Lutheran doctrines.
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News Item9/22/16 1:37 PM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
J Y,I've witnessed it firsthand.
They love "all saints day" and are very RC in that regard.
Their views on infant baptism are the same as the RCC as well
and,of course,they follow the same liturgical calendar,observing particular saints on certain dates and using the same assigned colors depending on the RCC "priests" color du jour/"season".
They also relish their phony "jesus" pictures.
They are supposed be reformed but,in truth,they are very much RC believing, essentially, the same of their wafer and wine "communion". Though they tend to be more elusive about it,Christ is supposedly physically present in their "jesus" wafer and they believe that they are forgiven of their sins that week by eating the wafer and drinking the wine.
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News Item9/22/16 12:02 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
s c wrote:
So true,Buckeyes..."So where does it say “Play soft music and call people to an “Altar” while everyone else has their heads bowed and eyes closed”? I can’t seem to find it. Or for that matter, a specific canned prayer for sinners to pray."
The music is to set the tone. Too many times ,though, it can be a form of manipulation.
I would agree that denominations are man made but people who call themselves "Lutherans" (which Luther never wanted any way),and Presbyterians (for ex.)
do go by man made doctrine as well and are often very compromising as they embrace infant baptism,communion as a means of grace (sacrament),praying to saints ("all saint's day"),liturgical calendar (courtesy of the RCC),and now the endorsement/support of sodomy.
Some Lutherans aren't quite there with the sodomites but those who call themselves "Presbyterian",unless there is a more biblical branch,do.
I've been made aware of it in even my small town in OH.
Lutherans do not pray to the Saints. I know more about Lutheran doctrine than you do because I have studied Luther's Small and Large Catechisms and Luther did not state to pray to the Saints. There is nothing wrong with Infant Baptism as it is just a dedication of infants to Jesus.
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News Item9/22/16 7:27 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pPen1jQrlhU

In case anyone's interested. Benny Hester | When God Ran.
Prodigal son type lyrics and I always thought the song was beautiful. A song about God's love and forgiveness.

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