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Bachmann, Dobson to advise Trump on faith
Two firebrands in the community of evangelical Christians, former Rep. Michele Bachmann and Family Talk radio founder James Dobson, have been included in a special faith advisory panel announced Tuesday by presumptive GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump.

Trump’s campaign said the board will provide advisory support on issues important to evangelical Christians and other people of faith.

The board also will lead “a much larger Faith and Cultural Advisory Committee” that will be announced later this month, the campaign said.

The campaign said the appointments are an expression of Trump’s desire to have access to wise counsel, not necessarily an endorsement of Trump by the individual Christian leaders. ...


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News Item6/23/16 8:50 PM
James Thomas | Florida  Find all comments by James Thomas
Chris G P and Mourner

What covenant did God literally break here?

Zechariah 11:10-14 (KJV)
10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.

When was it broken?

11 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the LORD.

Here is a clue. Where else do we hear of silver?

12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.

Another covenant broken...

Zechariah 11:14 (KJV)
14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

A question for any literalist...In John 3:4 Is Nicodemus attempting to understand literally?
Does not Jesus correct him?

Romans 7:14 law is spiritual...

1 Cor. 2:13 not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

1 Cor. 3:1 spiritual meat, drink...

Romans 7:1-3 a literal demonstration we can see...... to describe in 7:4-6 a spiritual reality we cannot see.

Where does the bible say to interpret literally?

God's Blessings to all His saints!

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News Item6/23/16 7:16 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Mourner wrote:
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Gen 32:24-30 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the
day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the
hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day
breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. And he said unto him, What is thy
name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a
prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. And Jacob asked him, and
said,Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name?
And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to
face, and my life is preserved.
Isa 44:5-6 One shall say, I am the LORD'S; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and
another shall subscribe with his hand unto the LORD, and surname himself by the name of Israel.
Thus saith the LORD the King of I
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News Item6/23/16 6:20 PM
Wayfarer Pilgrim | Lubbock,tx  Find all comments by Wayfarer Pilgrim
Connor, I'm an only old child of an even older mother, but I'll claim you as the brother I never had👍🏼. I was raised fundamental baptist ( in the way back machine of 1960) before someone snuck in the SBC and transformed us to that "intentionally appealing to all and quit that doctrine talk while your at it" Praise God for independent fundamental baptist churches. I will make note of the college groups you noted and tune in. God bless and have a great Sunday. Till then,
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News Item6/23/16 5:48 PM
Mourner  Find all comments by Mourner
Observer wrote:
..did God change his mind? If so, can you provide the scriptures that tell us this?
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Gen 32:24-30 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the
day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the
hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day
breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. And he said unto him, What is thy
name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a
prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. And Jacob asked him, and
said,Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name?
And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to
face, and my life is preserved.
Isa 44:5-6 One shall say, I am the LORD'S; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and
another shall subscribe with his hand unto the LORD, and surname himself by the name of Israel.
Thus saith the LORD the King of I
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News Item6/23/16 3:21 PM
Kev | San Diego  Find all comments by Kev
Hey MS I haven't heard those two I'm glad I asked I'm gonna check them out right now. I also like that style of preaching, where they teach everybody is a nobody and Jesus is everything.
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News Item6/23/16 3:18 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
@Kev-
I too enjoy listening to the gospel preachers that you named.
Have also been listening to Ken Wimer and David Simpson both found here on SA.
I love hearing the gospel of sovereign grace, Christ exhalted, and us worms laid low in the dust.
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News Item6/23/16 3:09 PM
Kev | San Diego  Find all comments by Kev
Observer and mourner good afternoon. What do you think about the points I have written below about my understanding from reading Hebrews? I always like talking to other brothers in Christ about scripture.
Ms I also enjoy Don Fortner, Frank hall, Bill Parker and Jim Byrd to name a few newer pastors I enjoy. Wonder if you have any suggestions seeing your taste in sovereign grace pastors.
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News Item6/23/16 3:02 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks Observer and MS. You too. Hi Mourner.
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News Item6/23/16 2:55 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
One of my all time favourite sermons:

Are You A Jew?
Don Fortner
720141340332
7/20/14.

Might be helpful to some.

Warm Christian greetings to all.

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News Item6/23/16 2:37 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Mourner wrote:
Isa 52:13-15
Rom 11:28-36
Good morning saints. May you all know the Lord's presence today.

Mourner, nice bit of eisegesis (viz. reading into the text something that ain't there) there to get the nation of Israel into Romans 11. This is very easy to prove, since the entire argument starts at chapter 9 v 6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

(This was already stated in Rom 2 28,29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.)

Tell me, did God change his mind? If so, can you provide the scriptures that tell us this?

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News Item6/23/16 1:14 PM
Mourner  Find all comments by Mourner
Observer wrote:
Where do we read that he purchased/gave himself in any manner for the nation of Israel?
Isa 52:13-15 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very
high. As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form
more than the sons of men: So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at
him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall
they consider.

Rom 11:28-36 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the
election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without
repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their
unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain
mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth
of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his
ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Or who hath first given to him, and it shall

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News Item6/23/16 12:46 PM
Kev | San Diego  Find all comments by Kev
On the topic of the covenants.
Here is a Bible study notes as they pertain to this subject I did this morning. If you read Hebrew 7-9 this is my thoughts about the passages. I would enjoy any corrections for any mistakes I have made. If people want a Bible study commentary that I did.
Heb 7:22 Jesus the better covenant. 7:27 No need for a physical place/temple 8:1-2 Our new temple is in Jesus and he in us, at the right hand of the Father. 8:5 Old covenant was but a picture of Christ. 8:8-9 New covenant will replace old. 8:10 God's people are now Israel. 8:11 His people ( Israel )know him( know Christ) 8:13 makes old covenant void by a new better one. 9:1 First covenant a physical place. 9:11 Christ the more perfect "tent" (place) 9:23 Christ the new tent was cleansed by sacrifice like the "Meeting place of the Lord" ( this was a picture again of Christ and the new covenant to come) 9:24 our new Holy Place is in Jesus and him in us.
Hope this makes things clearer for all if I need correction please help me, for I did this to better understand myself this topic.
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News Item6/23/16 9:21 AM
Wayfarer Pilgrim | Lubbock,tx  Find all comments by Wayfarer Pilgrim
Thank you Connor, ccm has destroyed church music , so any crumb of a hymn , I go all out. Yes, I so Irish I have four names.
I Will give it a try, and while we're at it do you mind enlightening me a a list of musicians or assembles you'd recommend.
I'm southern baptist with a smattering church of Christ family members. Music is a dismal state in baptist churches. The idea that choirs and congregational singing surrendered to praise team flaunting and well, you know where that leads , is a distraction,
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News Item6/23/16 7:19 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Observer wrote:
Let's add:
Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Col.3.10 put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Romans 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved (It was never all Israel, but the spiritual Israel within the physical Israel who were Abraham's seed according to promise)
Galatians 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Galatians 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
As Penned wisely summed it up - Its about GRACE not RACE!
Clear as a bell bro. I enjoyed reading these texts again.
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News Item6/22/16 7:16 PM
Wayfarer Pilgrim | Lubbock,tx  Find all comments by Wayfarer Pilgrim
Matt Papa rocks Connor, just listened to the song you recommended, very much a modern hymn and oh how we need hymns from heaven, both from past greats and from lads and lasses on earth walking about👍🏼
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News Item6/22/16 6:36 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Connor wrote:
Amen John, and we all need spiritual nourishment everyday, both food and drink, our food is the word of God and our drink is prayer which refreshes the soul, we must rely on the righteousness of Christ to be able to live in the world.
John have you ever heard of the song, "Come behold the wondrous mystery" it's a good song, since you were mentioning songs the other day, thought I'd let you know about the song. God bless.
I'd not heard of it Connor, but it sure looks a great song, if this is the third verse:

Verse 3
Come behold the wondrous mystery
Christ the Lord upon the tree
In the stead of ruined sinners
Hangs the Lamb in victory
See the price of our redemption
See the Father’s plan unfold
Bringing many sons to glory
Grace unmeasured, love untold

Amen and Amen

I love the line "Bringing many sons to glory" from Hebrews 2:10

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News Item6/22/16 6:23 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

There is no indications after this in the NT that it was ever going to revert to the nation of Israel. And this is precisely what was foreseen by the OT prophets:

Romans 9

25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

This meant inclusion of the gentiles and hence

Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, ***who hath made both one***, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us [viz. Jew and Gentile]

That wall is never to be erected again, contrary to the beliefs of some.

Acts 20:28 ... feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it

Where do we read that he purchased/gave himself in any manner for the nation of Israel?

Christ is the head of the church, the spiritual Israel. NOT of the physical descendants of Abraham.

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News Item6/22/16 6:03 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
pennelope wrote:
Chris, if we read about heaven and think of it as spiritual, is that spiritualizing it? I could just as easily say you are "Carnalizing" the scriptures, reading carnal interpretations, ignoring the greater spiritual reality. Are we not given the Holy Spirit? What makes physical things superior to spiritual realities, except in the mind of Scofield modernist? Is it allegory to read that Jesus is the Manna, that He is my spiritual nourishment? ....
I'm feasting on manna from heaven
And that's why I'm happy tonight

Just so folks know, I am not collecting up some flakes off the ground in the morning which came from heaven by God's hand.

Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
(John 6:49-51 KJV)

So, Penny, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!

Amen and God bless.....

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News Item6/22/16 5:15 PM
Dave | oz  Find all comments by Dave
I set you aside,argh internet no
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Dave | oz  Find all comments by Dave
I set you aside
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