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FRONT PAGE  |  8/23/2019
MONDAY, MAR 28, 2016  |  149 comments
Top 5 Church Denominations That Use KJV Bible the Most

Researchers at a Christian college in Virginia have found that the King James Version of the Bible is the most frequently used translation among five denominations in the United States.

Bluefield College released ts findings earlier this month, noting that the KJV Bible was most used by Baptists, Pentecostals, Episcopalians, Presbyterians and Mormons.

"The King James Bible remains in use amongst a number of denominations, despite being published more than 400 years ago, in 1611. Additionally, we found that the most searched-for Bible passages include Romans 12:2, Joshua 1:9, and Philippians 4:6," stated Lawrence.

"The graphics we provided highlight which denominations are using which versions of the Bible. Our research did not investigate why certain versions are more popular than others." ...


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Preservation  Find all comments by Preservation
Worth a read:

Critical Text Onlyism: A New Doctrine

Can We Trust the Reformers?

http://confessionalbibliology.com/2015/12/11/critical-text-onlyism-a-new-doctrine/

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Dave | oz  Find all comments by Dave
C H Bixdale wrote:
You underestimate the power of God.
God does not need our help to save.
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
As you can see built into Jesus promise is the fact that HE will save those who are drawn by His Father.
Remember:-
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
And you know nothing of my knowledge.
Jonah , tried to do his own thing, balam's donkey, even Abraham with Hagar.
When reading people's comments and posts sometimes it's advantageous to have heard people's thoughts on other matters of scripture, as it is very easy to assume much about others, and sometimes these assumptions are completely wrong, Lord bless, :-)
Who said God needs my help in my salvation?
If you think that I may have any inclination that anyone had any thing to do with their salvation, then sorry for giving that impression.
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News Item4/8/16 3:29 PM
C H Bixdale  Find all comments by C H Bixdale
Dave wrote:
If God is drawing you, I suggest you go seeking.
You underestimate the power of God.
God does not need our help to save.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

As you can see built into Jesus promise is the fact that HE will save those who are drawn by His Father.

Remember:-
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

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News Item4/7/16 5:44 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Conspiracy Behind the New Bible Translations
Sorry that Wallace portrays a mixture of valid and non valid concepts about the conspiracy he suggests.

1. Certainly Satan's aim is "to cause division among believers" but to reckon the critical text issue as a small petty issue is an understatement

2. Sorry that some engage in adding non accurate notions to the topic in question in order to pile up derision.
For instance, "to uphold as the only Holy Bible a translation"
Please, when unrighteousness prevails, some, for conscience sake, are drove to the point to have to opt out of a particular because of the dishonesty involved.
"When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice:
when the wicked bears rule, the people mourn" Pr 29:2

This is tackling the problem by the wrong end. The culprits are the fraudulent handlers of the Word, not the objectors to such practice, because the later "have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully" 2Co 4:1-2

3. To assume that the KJV "makes the gospel seem antiquated and difficult to understand" is not accurate doctrine if one believes what Christ taught:
"All that the Father gives me shall come to me" Jh 6:37

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News Item4/7/16 5:20 PM
Dave | oz  Find all comments by Dave
C H Bixdale wrote:
Nobody "seeks" God. That's Roman Catholic fallacy.
God is first cause:
God calls HIS Elect.
Man in his natural state hates God and certainly does not choose Him. He is dead in sin. Dead people do not do anything becajimsuse they are dead which is why the Bible uses that analogy.
WCF/10: "All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, he is pleased, in his appointed and accepted time, effectually to call,a by his Word and Spirit,b out of that state of sin and death, in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ;c enlightening their minds, spiritually and savingly, to understand the things of God;d taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them an heart of flesh;e renewing their wills, and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good,f and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ;g yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.h
a Rom 8:30 11:7 Eph 1:10-11 b 2Cor 3:3, 6 2Thes 2:13-14 c Rom 8:2 Eph 2:1-5 2Tim 1:9-10 d Acts 26:18 1Cor 2:10 12 Eph 1:17-18 e Ezek 36:26 f Deut 30:6 Ezek 11:19 36:27 Phil 2:13 g John 6:44-45; Eph 1:19 h John 6:37
If God is drawing you, I suggest you go seeking.
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News Item4/7/16 10:09 AM
C H Bixdale  Find all comments by C H Bixdale
Justin Ty Me wrote:
If one is seeking God, God will be found. If you want to find flaws, look inward.
Nobody "seeks" God. That's Roman Catholic fallacy.

God is first cause:
God calls HIS Elect.
Man in his natural state hates God and certainly does not choose Him. He is dead in sin. Dead people do not do anything because they are dead which is why the Bible uses that analogy.

WCF/10: "All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, he is pleased, in his appointed and accepted time, effectually to call,a by his Word and Spirit,b out of that state of sin and death, in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ;c enlightening their minds, spiritually and savingly, to understand the things of God;d taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them an heart of flesh;e renewing their wills, and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good,f and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ;g yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.h

a Rom 8:30 11:7 Eph 1:10-11 b 2Cor 3:3, 6 2Thes 2:13-14 c Rom 8:2 Eph 2:1-5 2Tim 1:9-10 d Acts 26:18 1Cor 2:10 12 Eph 1:17-18 e Ezek 36:26 f Deut 30:6 Ezek 11:19 36:27 Phil 2:13 g John 6:44-45; Eph 1:19 h John 6:37

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News Item4/7/16 9:13 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The devil makes them do it, Mike
Dr. Daniel Wallace wrote:
So, is there a conspiracy today? My answer may surprise the reader: yes, I believe there is. But the conspiracy has not produced these modern translations. Rather, I believe that there is a conspiracy to cause division among believers, to deflect our focus from the gospel to petty issues, to elevate an anti-intellectual spirit that does not honor the mind which God has created, and to uphold as the only Holy Bible a translation that, as lucid as it was in its day, four hundred years later makes the gospel seem antiquated and difficult to understand. It takes little thought to see who is behind such a conspiracy.
excerpt from, [URL=https://bible.org/article/conspiracy-behind-new-bible-translations]]] Conspiracy Behind the New Bible Translations [/URL]
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News Item4/7/16 7:11 AM
traveler  Find all comments by traveler
Mike wrote:
(1) Is the Holy Spirit unable to do so? Or (2) is the Spirit limited to certain English words written in a certain way?
(1) He is God Mike. But tell me does the Holy Spirit care what sinners do with the Word of God?
*Does the Holy Spirit use the Roman Catholic Bible? For Example the Vulgate is where they got their heresies such as Maryolatry penance and transubstantiation. Jerome translated errors which constructed the RCC heresies.
*Does the Holy Spirit use the JW's bible new world translations which reflects their convictions?

(2) If we poor dumb mortals start discussing the "limitations" of God the Holy Spirit, I don't think we will get very far. However to use the term in a positive fashion: The Holy Spirit is "limited" to correct doctrines and words which teach the true Bible doctrines. History records that the Church was built up by the Lord teaching the truth according to His satisfaction by the KJV in these recent centuries. Nowhere in the revelation by grace do we find that modern versions in modern vernacular are essential to replace the KJV in the form which it has revealed the Word and doctrines of God. Using heretics such as Westcott/Hort would not seem to be a logical work of the Holy Spirit.

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News Item4/7/16 6:55 AM
The truth is in there | Scripture  Find all comments by The truth is in there
Those who scream the loudest about “Bible Believers" are trying to cover up their unbelief in the word of God. “The truth of the matter” is those power-mad apostates cannot stand God’s authority. They want to steal it from you, and they will say anything toward that end. They might even call you a “kjonlyist” in the hopes you will be intimidated into believing them instead of God’s authority, the Holy Bible. That is “the truth of the matter”; the rest is just “tripe&chitlins.”
The thing which infuriates them about “Bible Believers” is the dirty dogs never back down with “good, godly, recognized” scholars. Occasionally, Spurgeon and Torrey did; But that blankety-blank “bible believer " takes a position John Bunyan took back in 1680, and they stuck with it. When they said what Spurgeon and Torrey said when they exalted the King James Holy Bible as God’s perfect word, they stuck with it and never slipped once.
“Oh! The ungodly heretics! How could they do this to us?!” Easy: We believe the Book, and have no more respect for its critics than we do for Hitlery. The truth of the matter” is the Christian educators, along with their faculties and staffs, had been making a living—they were "professionals" off a Book they DID NOT BELIEVE, though professing to be wise.
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News Item4/7/16 6:10 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Dean Burgon: Father of the KJV-Only Movement
The practice of creating myths/fables out of real issues is common.
Burgon stood for righteousness. Yet, his enemies translated/converted his actions into a cult-like frenzy, and perpetuated it as the so-called 'KJV-Only Movement'. Quite sad.
Throughout history godly men have been misrepresented, abused, and neutralized, if not obliterated, by scam and pernicious design.

Realistically 86-90% of the evangelical world today has to repent of falling short of contending for the faith as it were regarding the matter of the corruption/correction of the biblical text by the modern critics.
With all the many shades of pretexts, excuses, ameliorations, and permissiveness of modern version users, and with the measure of ignorance of some today imitating Burgon's stand, the issue remains vastly misrepresented, and curtailed of true exposure for what really it is: a religious scam in disguise.

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News Item4/7/16 4:30 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Truth is in there wrote:
since 1880 there has been a .. conspiracy to take the Christian’s authority from him and invest it in Christian scholarship
Thanks
____

J Linlcoln

1. The NT writers, anchored on Antioch orthodoxy (Ac 13), continually warn against on going false apostles, false doctrines, vain babblings, fables, false science, and heresies, stemmed mostly from North Africa. For instance, the epistles of John aim to defend the deity of Christ against the early Arianism from North Africa

2. During the 2nd &3rd centuries these two schools of thought continued: Antioch with the Syriac Text (TR) and the North African agnosticism with the Alexandrian text

3. North Africa's copysts mangled Scripture text to suit their fancies

4. The heresies of Phylos, Agnosticism and Platonic influences from North Africa can be traced in early Fathers as Eusebius, Origen, and Jerome

5. Dean Burgon opposed Westcot & Hort undermining the RT from Antioch, by they using manuscripts from the Alexandrian school of thought.
He simply fitted into the NT ethos described in 2Ti 3:

"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived ...
But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of"

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News Item4/7/16 1:22 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
[URL=http://dbts.edu/blog/beginning-of-kjv-only-movement/]]]Beginning of KJV-Only Movement[/URL], [URL=http://dbts.edu/blog/dean-burgon-father-of-the-kjv-only-movement/]]]Dean Burgon: Father of the KJV-Only Movement[/URL], [URL=http://dbts.edu/blog/dean-burgon-and-the-revised-version/]]]Dean Burgon and the Revised Version[/URL], [URL=http://dbts.edu/blog/the-kjv-only-movement-comes-to-america/]]]The KJV-Only Movement Comes to America[/URL], and [URL=http://dbts.edu/blog/the-modern-kjv-only-movement/]]]The Modern KJV-Only Movement[/URL]

Oh, by the way,"How did WH dethrone the Textus Receptus and the Greek MSS that stood behind it? They accomplished their task with three arguments: (1) The Byzantine text (i.e., the group of Greek MSS behind the Textus Receptus) was not quoted by any church father before AD 325, while the Alexandrian text was amply represented before that period. (2) The Byzantine text was shown to depend on two earlier traditions, the Alexandrian and Western, in several places. The early editors of the Byzantine text combined (or conflated) the wording of the Alexandrian and Western traditions on occasion, while nowhere could it be shown that the Alexandrian combined West and Byzantine readings..."[URL=http://tinyurl.com/lu4zk32]]]Conspiracies![/URL

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Dave | oz  Find all comments by Dave
Justin Ty Me wrote

I repeat. If one is seeking God, God will be found. If you want to find flaws, look inward.
There is enough in all of these versions to discover the God of this supernatural revelation bound within. God will not allow his word to become void.
BTW. I know some churches who are NOT IN THE TOP 5 that don't use the KJV only. However, I prefer the KJV.

spot on brother.
These debates have Satan gaining a foothold, as it leads us into unwarranted quarrel and detracts from the word of God .
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News Item4/6/16 6:23 PM
Truth is in there | Scripture  Find all comments by Truth is in there
Biblion wrote:
"It is true...
Good post
What is the “truth of the matter”? “The truth of the matter” is that since 1880 there has been at work in America an educational conspiracy to take the Christian’s authority from him and invest it in Christian scholarship. The movement among Christians educators has been to rob you of your authority and bring you into subjection to men who want dominion over your faith so they can “lord it over” a Book they hate to use but have to in order to get control over the Body of Christ. “The truth of the matter” is they agreed “with one consent” to steal your Bible from you and replace it with the opinions of educated apostates; they all joined together for that purpose.
With the advent of the Westcott and Hort text (1880), the educated crowd among the Conservatives and Fundamentalists fell into “lockstep.” When an educated believer among them was confronted with SCHOLARSHIP, he denied his “birthright” and pretended he didn’t believe what he had been preaching-he preached, “Let us turn in the Scripture,” without ever thinking about what 2 Tim 3:16 acually said-it is the Scripture that “is given by inspiration of God”-these slowbellies say publicly,"This IS the word"
&look at Bible Belivers askance .
Hirelings
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Biblion  Find all comments by Biblion
"It is true that several thousand mss have been discovered since 1611. This is the major factor that has been used to justify to the church at large the need for a major revision of the King James. It seems logical that if a vast amount of data not available to the King James translators has been brought to life - these new materials must be considered. This especially seems reasonable as some of these mss were dated between 350-380 A.D. whereas Erasmus' five mss were from the 10th to 15th centuries. Admittedly this rhetoric seems very compelling. However, of the several thousand manuscripts discovered since 1611, the great majority (90-95%) agree with the Greek text of those five mss which Erasmus used. Nevertheless, the new translations are rife with footnotes informing the reader that "the oldest, the best manuscripts read such and such" as opposed to the King James. But is it not devastating to realize that what has been kept from the church at large is the fact that the vast majority (c.90-95%) of these more recent finds read the same as the Traditional Text which underlies the Reformers Bibles and the King James translation?" (F.N.Jones from 'Which Version is the Bible')
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Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
traveler wrote:
---
BTW Does the Holy Spirit use the Westcott/Hort NASB?
Is the Holy Spirit unable to do so? Or is the Spirit limited to certain English words written in a certain way?
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News Item4/6/16 4:19 PM
Justin Ty Me | AZ  Find all comments by Justin Ty Me
CORRECTIOIN:

I stated the following: I know some churches who are NOT IN THE TOP 5 that don't use the KJV only. However, I prefer the KJV.

I meant to say They use the KJV, but are not in the "TOP" 5 of any denomination. Actually, the do not adhere to this thing about denominations. AND they teach sound doctrine. Their teaching changes you focus. Others will see Christ.

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traveler  Find all comments by traveler
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Just a mo, you gave a reason why the bombastic gobbledygook of the KJV should be abandoned and at least this hoary Elizabethan language be laid to rest an good contemporary should be used.
Jim;
You just made me think of a question for you. Have you ever experienced the Holy Spirit revealing Scripture to you and teaching truth in the doctrines?

Not everybody who reads A Bible is Christian or becomes Christian.

God elects - Man cannot since he cannot discern the Bible on his own.
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1Cor 2:14 (KJV)

BTW Does the Holy Spirit use the Westcott/Hort NASB?

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News Item4/6/16 2:38 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Just a mo, you gave a reason why the bombastic gobbledygook of the KJV should be abandoned and at least this hoary Elizabethan language be laid to rest an good contemporary should be used.

1 Corinthians 14:7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? 8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? 9 So likewise you, except you utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for you shall speak into the air.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be to him that speaks a barbarian, and he that speaks shall be a barbarian to me. ---Amer. KJV

I believe those are the passages that the KJV translators used to support their reasons for their new translation into a more contemporary language.

Remember the [URL=http://www.kjvonly.org/robert/joyner_were_the_early_fundamentalist_pr.html]]]What is the historic Christian position on Bible translations[/URL] from which, "Some KJV Only people disclaim inspiration for the KJV translators, but they say the KJV is God's perfectly preserved Word. That is the same thing as inspiration. It takes inspiration..."

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just a mo  Find all comments by just a mo
Justin Ty Me wrote:
I repeat. If one is seeking God, God will be found. If you want to find flaws, look inward.
There is enough in all of these versions to discover the God of this supernatural revelation bound within. God will not allow his word to become void.
Oh Dear.
I see the Roman Catholic Arminian do it yourself salvationists are getting in on the act too.

Apparently all you have to do is quote "seek God" - And He will come and save you. (an obedient god) Pope Francis will just love that religious presumption. Human effort is such fun!!

Try and remember that God is still Sovereign even in these apostate days.
Oh and all humans are totally depraved.

Human effort is one of the flaws we perceive in the modern version debates. Westcott and Hort did it all by human ideology. Like the modern Liberals they did not like the King James Version of the Word of God, either.

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