Luke 2 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed. (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them,...
Bonoba, true, there is no sin in a liturgical calendar where there is shared celebration in the events of the scripture. as they are brought together, the events of the scriptures are passed down to the next generation. anyone who could read the scriptures I've been reading and the hymns I've been singing and not hear the entire gospel message in it, are not hearing.
I tend to line by line teaching, but it is a blessing to worship with the "universal" (that is the called out remnant of believers on earth) at a shared time.
individualism may have a part here. also I've heard some of the accusations now on the internet, and they are malformed arguments.
let's remember that RCC perverts all mass.
yes, the Messianic prophecies are a joy, are they not? and you can see them when reading verse by verse, but what a blessing to occasionally sit down and read the Messianic scriptures with the 4 gospels. We are called out individually but are in a historic faith with a Messiah that broke into real history.
Interesting your cousin celebrates his birthday in the summer.
How many advent sermons could be preached that might save the darkened souls who visit with us?
pennned wrote: blessed time to study and celebrate with the brethren. in one accord, to corporately declare our fellowship, to the authentic and real event in history of the coming of the Messiah, born of a virgin, in the line of David, who fled from Herod and came out of Egypt to "make a holy nation" that would have the law "written on their hearts
Dec 25 date is based on Easter's March 25th as Christ's conception date. Silly - BUT
Reading prophecies [URL=http://accordingtothescriptures.org/prophecy/353prophecies.html]]]in this artfully laid our 353 Messianic prophecies[/URL] I was reminded of the atheist who looked at one prophecy and scoffed "this is a weak point" - "sure, not a strong point by itself: but you put 353 strings together in a braided rope, and try to break that " replied the disciple.
The 12/25 birthday is an arbitrary guess.. But.,, Like today( our 40th Wedding anniversary ) a celebration of birthdays and anniversaries is not mandated in scripture , yet it is fitting to recall.
My cousin was born Dec 25 so his birthday is celebrated June 25 to avoid problems.
A Happy Birthday cake for The Lord Jesus Christ , as Kevin Swanson's SA 12/25 show advocates, can be a focus on Biblical truth.
Thankyou Lord father the gift of the birth of your son, but the true salvation message is fulfilled in Jesus,his death on the cross as a once and for all sacrifice for our sins and his resurrection and transfigeration to prepare a home in his fathers mansion for us to live eternal lives. If it were not so , he (jesus) wouldn't say it was.amen One must question are we observing pagan based traditions and henceforth being idolatrous by creating a God we think is conformed too our life style,rather than conforming our life style, too the truth and righteousness of God and his word? God bless guys.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: discussing the Incarnation not the secular holiday. ... I was only commenting ... on what the SA people put up, which was found in the Scriptures, not the vain imaginations of sinful men, which you do well to condemn.
Thank you for your explanations.
Sadly, many take to the theme of the Incarnation to 'explain' (justify) the secular holiday in a kind of 'middle way' approach, approximating what it could be seen as the 'sanitation' of the season. However, it is always honourable and healthy to stand by one's conscience void of offence or pretense. Phl 1:10
Forgive if these may seem bold statements, which are presented not to cause any personal offence, but to help define positions. May you be blessed in all you approve and rejoice in all your welldoing before the Lord. Take care
Unprofitable Servant wrote: I am not sure why there are some who think a celebration of the entrance of our great Savior into this sin darkened world is something to be ignored.
glad to see you are doing well, was wondering.... it is a blessed time to study and celebrate with the brethren. in one accord, to corporately declare our fellowship, to the authentic and real event in history of the coming of the Messiah, born of a virgin, in the line of David, who fled from Herod and came out of Egypt to "make a holy nation" that would have the law "written on their hearts".
that's my run on sentence for the night. Good night to all.
This is off-topic; here is a sermon for those who may be interested, dealing with all that is vanity, Ecc. 1:2, from Ralph Erskine - http://www.pbministries.org/Theology/R%20Erskine/Sermons/sermon_7.htm
ladybug wrote: Carl, Thank you for the update, I will continue to lift your wife to our Lord. US - congrats on your recent move to the Smokies, I visited that area years ago. It is a very pretty part of the country, I would not mind living there myself! I am fond of the mountains as well as the ocean. I visited Seattle years ago and fell in love with the water, I also visited Frank's neck of the woods - Florida and loved the ocean. My favorite vacation ever was Jamaica - that was breathtaking! MikeNY - keeping you in prayer as well....
Thanks ladybug for your kindness and warm wishes.
Found what she referred to about Mike NY, and will also, by the grace of God, keep you and family in my prayers. One thing for sure that is blessing is that He is able to do exceedingly above all that we could ask or think. God bless.
Carl, Thank you for the update, I will continue to lift your wife to our Lord.
US - congrats on your recent move to the Smokies, I visited that area years ago. It is a very pretty part of the country, I would not mind living there myself! I am fond of the mountains as well as the ocean. I visited Seattle years ago and fell in love with the water, I also visited Frank's neck of the woods - Florida and loved the ocean. My favorite vacation ever was Jamaica - that was breathtaking!
B. McCausland wrote: Just a general comment about reasoning skills. Please friends, the statement above is like 'playing/thinking on reverse'. The issue to be proved is why to single out the 25th in particular for a particular practice,
Thank you B McCausland for always wanting to strive for the truth.
You assertion about what I said would only be true IF I was trying to set out to prove the issue that the 25th of December was a day that should be chosen as a day to "single out" as the one to celebrate Christ's birth. I stated it could not be in my 9:25 p.m. post on 12/25. From the onset of my posts I made it clear that I was discussing the Incarnation not the secular holiday.
You even stated in a previous response to me, which I had let go at the time, "we are presently discussing the custom/timing/events the world stages" You may have been, but I was only commenting (not responding to a particular comment) on what the SA people put up, which was found in the Scriptures, not the vain imaginations of sinful men, which you do well to condemn.
Thanks to Rodney for the hymn and the info and Mike for his kind words. Carl H, will endeavor to hold your wife and family up in prayer.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Ah, a hymn by William-Booth Clibborn, "Down from his Glory" is where you gotthe lyrics,
Hymntime.com shows it to be from 1921. The tune is the same as Elvis Presley's "It's Now or Never". I suspect that the hymn used the tune before Elvis, but who knows? The tune may even predate this hymn. I guess you noticed that I didn't include the chorus, which is a very good response to the truth of the verses.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Every day should be a day to thank the Lord Jesus for His incarnation, why should we exclude December 25th because of what those who know not Christ do or don't do?
Mike wrote A simple Amen to that, US
Just a general comment about reasoning skills.
Please friends, the statement above is like 'playing/thinking on reverse'. The issue to be proved is why to single out the 25th in particular for a particular practice, not why the 25th should be excluded from thanks giving or celebrating the event, in order to affirm/justify the debating position in question. Wisdom and logic that comes from above is characterized by purity (say not by muddled/twisted or disfigured reasoning) Jas 3:17
When aiming to sound/honest conclusions, it is helpful to abide by none deviating thinking patterns.
hi people. the other day I asked for prayer for my wife. well,the op seemed to go well but she just has to rest for a week or so. shes in pain but that's expected. thank you all so much for your prayers.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: continued..... While you can say it is not commanded or commended, it certainly is not forbidden and should be done daily. Which brings up our next point, nowhere in what is put out by SermonAudio is a reference the RCC or other Christmas "celebrations." They are simply noting thanks for God so loving the world that He gave His only begotten Son. Since when do we render our worship and thanks to God based upon what the world does or does not do? Every day should be a day to thank the Lord Jesus for His incarnation, why should we exclude December 25th because of what those who know not Christ do or don't do? Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable gift!!!!!!
Rodney K. wrote: Down from His glory, ¬†¬†Ever living story, My God and Savior came, ¬†¬†And Jesus was His name. Born in a manger, ¬†¬†To His own a stranger, A Man of sorrows, tears and agony. What condescension, ¬†¬†Bringing us redemption; That in the dead of night, ¬†¬†Not one faint hope in sight, God, gracious, tender, ¬†¬†Laid aside His splendor, Stooping to woo, to win, to save my soul. Without reluctance, ¬†¬†Flesh and blood His substance He took the form of man, ¬†¬†Revealed the hidden plan. O glorious myst‚Äôry, ¬†¬†Sacrifice of Calv‚Äôry, And now I know Thou art the great ‚ÄúI AM.‚ÄĚ
It must be lyrics from an old hymn, it can't be modern, because it rhymes and got meter. Excellent.
Oh, it isn't a 7/11 either. Too many youngin's forget that good hymn may be 10% inspiration but 90% perspiration It takes work to write a good hymn. I think there might be some good modern hymns out their if the orchestration sometimes is much more sloppy than a hymn hidden beneath it might be.
Ah, a hymn by William-Booth Clibborn, "Down from his Glory" is where you gotthe lyrics,
B. McCausland wrote: ..and may we nourish each other along Ep 4:15-16 God bless Kind regards
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
I've recently been reading through 2 Chron. It is note worthy that it was the Davidic Kings that cleansed the temple after seasons of apostasy. I've been listening to a message that compared Christ's temptation in the wilderness to Israels' in the wilderness. They were tempted by hunger, by thinking their privileges as the people of God, superseded obedience to God and to their false worship (1 Cor.10:20). Christ was anointed as the (Prophet/Priest/) King of Israel at his baptism by a birth-right priest/prophet John Baptist and *he cleansed the temple* which is what the Jews expected of David's son as 2 Chron. upholds the kings that cleansed the temple as exemplary sons of David for so doing.
I was encouraged to think of all that Christ has done and is doing to fulfill Scripture until his second Advent