Judge bans high school from performing live Nativity scene
An Indiana public high school will not be allowed to portray a Nativity scene with live performers as part of the 2015 Christmas Spectacular, a federal judge ruled Wednesday.
U.S. District Judge Jon E. Deguilio granted a preliminary injunction in a federal lawsuit against Concord Community Schools, writing in the order that the show "conveys a message of endorsement of religion, or that a particular religious belief is favored or preferred."
"Accordingly, the court finds that the plaintiffs are likely to succeed on the merits on their claim that the inclusion of the living Nativity scene in the show, as currently proposed, violates the Establishment Clause," the judge wrote....
Mike wrote: Funny how what is mostly heard when something like that comes up is how we shouldn't be on board with so-called Catholic ideas. The rest is put into the don't-worry-about-it-God-is-in-control basket.
well I do appreciate your tenor around here and your concern for the realities we all face. here's praying you and your family enjoy the holiday season.
B. McCausland wrote: There is no harm in presenting the detracting side of a particular with the aim of stirring up better understanding in others. We should aim for â€˜the unity of faith in the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christâ€™ Ep 4:13 and for this principle only, it can be expected that "beloved, we are persuaded better things of you" Heb 6:9
I agree wholeheartedly. Though I have found that some believers have an elitist attitude and superiority complex regarding the celebration of Christmas, Easter and other side issues that they themselves find unacceptable. I find such condescending attitudes to others grieving most especially because I sometimes detect such an attitude in my own heart. May God give us the wisdom needed to refrain from needless frivolities yet at the same time understand that some others, including some godly, Christlike believers may never agree with us on the issue.
Christian wrote: it doesn't bother me if other believers choose to keep it in some way or other. I don't measure a persons walk with God based on what they do and don't celebrate.
Fine friend, there is no harm in what one personally approves of at times. Yet choices in life come rated, according to value, in a scale of the passable, the good and the best, being the best the enemy of the good.
Nothing tangible per se will make us better, or worse (1Co 8:8) Yet, there are situations on which a difference for the best is attached. See 1Co 7:9 - 1Co 7:38 - Luk 17:2 - 1Pe 3:17
We may opt for the season after balancing 'relative illsâ€™ against 'minor goodsâ€™ However, 'personal freedom' is often confused with situational ethics to make up for unwelcome resolves.
Nevertheless, in the spirit of 1Cor 12:31 to prompt for better plains of practice and orthodoxy is always conducive to a sober mind and living. There is no harm in presenting the detracting side of a particular with the aim of stirring up better understanding in others.
We should aim for â€˜the unity of faith in the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christâ€™ Ep 4:13 and for this principle only, it can be expected that "beloved, we are persuaded better things of you" Heb 6:9
I don't celebrate Christmas. I hate the commercialism of the whole holiday. However, it doesn't bother me if other believers choose to keep it in some way or other. I don't measure a persons walk with God based on what they do and don't celebrate. If we are to be consistent then we would need to quit wearing wedding rings, eating cake and celebrating birthdays, to name just a few modern practises originating in paganism.
Let each one be convinced in his own heart about the matter. God bless.
Lynda wrote: Christmas Man's traditions .. a powerful grip ... to give them up. It wasn't something I found easy to come out of it. It is so ingrained ..
Yes, the intellectual break with the custom is not as hard as the emotional break up.
Yet, having a church taken with self all year through, it is easy to explain the lack of Christian support at this particular time of the year for any wishing to make a break through.
The 'sanitation' of Christmas is the norm among evangelicals, which contributes to its perpetuation. Biblical separation in the Christmas context is poorly practiced, feebly understood and systematically ignored.
Sadly, the average evangelical pulpit during the Christmas season resorts/retreats into theological/devotional elaborations on the incarnation of Christ instead of instructing the church about the historical evidence, the pernicious ills, and its materialistic disadvantages, with the unnecessary burdens, stressful/superfluous costs and trivial thinking.
In consequence, Christian maturity and growth is impaired, the witness becomes tinted by the lack of biblical identity/distinctiveness, and Christian integrity suffers. Worse, we pass on to the next generation an unhealthy heritage with a hedonistic focus.
Thank you Lynda for your response.Before I knew better,I used to defend this "holiday" too. And,of course,we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings by rejecting it.I don't think that we stop to consider what God thinks. It's almost like going along to get along even though we go along with its deception. I think that using this as a springboard for evangelism is effective but not when we accept it but when we reject it and then stick out like a sore thumb...then the lost ones are curious. Tradition always trumps truth for the carnal minded/weak but truth always frees the captives! Keep holding to that which is true,Lynda. To always,if you know of any churches in OH that don't go along with this "holiday",please let me know. For those that do know better,I'm guessing that it would be "bad for business" to not do the drill. At any rate,it is inescapable but,on the brighter side,can be used as an opportunity to educate those who would so have a mind to learn the truth mean while remembering but for the grace of God...
Well said and thank you for speaking up about Christmas. I'm another believer who no longer buys into the RCC Christmas lie. God always has his servants who expose the truth about things like this and the information is out there in abundance if you are after the truth. Here is one of many good teachings out there on this topic:
http://www.contendingfortruth.com/?p=1072. It's called "X-Mas: The Biggest Pagan Holiday/Holyday of the Year."
From my experience however, unfortunately it doesn't matter how much evidence you give folks. Man's traditions have a powerful grip on people and they don't want to give them up. It wasn't something I found easy to come out of it. It is so ingrained in most of us since birth. But God is looking for people to worship Him in spirit and in truth and He does help those earnestly looking for truth and will set them free.
s c wrote: always, what do you mean by "...follow her correct thinking on the topic?" Follow the church's correct thinking? If I were you,I would be more concerned with whether or not it lines up with the Bible. There are many,probably most,churches that mean well and are ignorant because they have been conditioned to follow tradition. The Bible states that we are to remember Him in the Lord's Supper. This time of the year and the ever changing "e" date are the two times of the year in which many Christians "become RC" for a day. Even if they don't actually have a mass,they will demand that Christ be joined with "mass". Why? Just because the RCC determined it to be so. Unless someone can argue its origins, and that the word and celebration is biblical,their good intentions are in vain and they are simply putting tradition over truth. ...much like the RCs
so you won't answer the question as to whether or not your church that you attend adheres to your view of Christm*s, or whether they preach against the RCC created holiday from the pulpit? Maybe I assumed too much and you don't attend a church regularly for whatever reasons you choose.
always, what do you mean by "...follow her correct thinking on the topic?" Follow the church's correct thinking? If I were you,I would be more concerned with whether or not it lines up with the Bible. There are many,probably most,churches that mean well and are ignorant because they have been conditioned to follow tradition. The Bible states that we are to remember Him in the Lord's Supper. This time of the year and the ever changing "e" date are the two times of the year in which many Christians "become RC" for a day. Even if they don't actually have a mass,they will demand that Christ be joined with "mass". Why? Just because the RCC determined it to be so. Unless someone can argue its origins, and that the word and celebration is biblical,their good intentions are in vain and they are simply putting tradition over truth. ...much like the RCs
sc, I don't understand why you can without a Scriptural command disregard the 4th Commandment. It became a great joy for me after conversion to assemble each Lord's day and prepare my heart and home for the day set aside for the worship of God, by God. You cannot deny the binding obligation of any other commandment, why the 4th? There was a man in my church who came under conviction regarding the 6 days of labor mentioned in the command. He confessed he had not labored at his employ as unto the Lord. You see the command does not negate our duty the other six days to God neither justify our forgetfulness of what belongs to God one whole day of 7. All are to glorify God in respective duties commanded.
We cannot keep any of the commands perfectly, Jesus did, his righteouness is imputed to us. Without holiness no man will not see the Lord. To have one day in 7 to enjoy our rest in Christ having the ability to think on him without distraction, is a delight, if we're walking in the Spirit. Heb.12:14 Read Hebrews 4 from the Geneva Bible Notes and Matthew Henry, Resting from our own works is resting from the works of the flesh. It is in that way Christ grants us rest â€“ eternally. He who is the fulfillment of the law, imputes his perfect keeping of it to us wherein we res
I'm surprised the fine folk from PETA (no, not the people eating tasty animals) have not come down on these celebrations like a ton of bricks. I thought they objected to the craven use of animals for others' sport or pleasure.
Thank you Christopher and Mourner. Mourner,I understand Christ to be the fulfillment of the Sabbath as we rest in his works and not our own. I understand that we should not forsake the assembling of ourselves and for many that takes place on the 1st day of the week. I don't see where one must keep the sabbath in the NT and I would suggest in answer to your question- "...can you set aside every day over which Jesus is Lord in thought, word and deed, in such a public way... -no one does that perfectly any day of the week,which isn't to say that we give ourselves over to sin. We certainly desire to yield to his Spirit and to have Him Lord over our lives. And I might add that what the public needs to see in us is Him-and that's every day and not just 1 day a week nor is is it twice a year to hear us say a pet catch phrase. Even pagans say the catch phrase.It doesn't mean anything to them but they certainly have been conditioned...as have many Christians who will get very displeased with others if they don't hear the catch phrase in return.
Thanks SC and Mourner. Maybe I should have included the word, "trying"...the world is trying to commit genocide, trying to erase and destroy all things God, and even the notion of a God from the minds of the next generation. Impossible, yes, but they're pulling out all the stops in their effort and constitutional creativity. Yes, there was a whole lot that lead up to the final prize but being able to now see all those little puzzle pieces having been put into place, and their outcome is quite amazing to me. Satan worked overtime for many, many years putting it all together. A little something here, a little something there, an influence over here, a new, seemingly insignificant law passed there, and on and on with the little pieces which were the necessary parts needed to finally expose and bring his master plan to fruition.
Christopher000 wrote: ..I simply see the systematic genocide of all things God.
Impossible. Psalm 9:15-20
Atheism is not only the attempt of fallen man; For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers..Ephes 6:12-13 to discredit God and usurp His authority as Creator/Redeemer. There is also ignorance, idolatry, and profanity. A word study of profane would be helpful, it can mean to break (as break ones word) or defile (Heb.chalal used in Lev.) One can profane the Lord's Day. And yes, sc we can rejoice and be thankful every day but can you set aside every day over which Jesus is Lord in thought, word and deed, in such a public way, since we are commanded to labor six days? Isa 58:13,14 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. Jacob's heritage by faith is Abraham's see Gal.4:24-31
While you make a valid point,Christopher,we have been in gross sin for a long time,long before the escalation of sodomy and "transgenderism". I really don't think that it helps to continue to take God's name in vain by joining it with "mass". Unless one is naive about the definition of "mass" (and,it certainly couldn't mean "a group" which wouldn't make sense)one is joining the Holy with the profane. I don't think that there is liberty in such even with good intentions after receiving understanding. God doesn't take His name used in vain lightly. I think that He extends grace to those who are naive but not so sure that He does with those who know better. If the RCC had put his name with "dung",surely Christians wouldn't be using it that way even if it was en vogue to change the meaning of "dung" once a year.
Whenever these topics come up, I really don't see Christmas, or crosses, Ten Commandments, or nativity scenes in this example, but rather, putting all of those aside, I simply see the systematic genocide of all things God. I see the arrogant rise of the age of man, the age of God is dead, and the erasure of all things God from the memories of the next generation. Imagine how this generation is growing up. All they've known is an administration straight from the pit of hell, all they've heard is centered around diversity and tolerance for abominable things, and all they've seen is the rise of the sodomites, athiesm, and wicked things turned glamorous like transexualism and gender confusion that they now believe is not only not a choice because God made them that way, etc, but courageous and welcome in an ever increasingly society gone wrong.