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FRONT PAGE  |  10/18/2019
WEDNESDAY, DEC 2, 2015  |  43 comments
Gay Christian excluded from church

A Christian has been excluded from his church after the leadership discovered he was gay.

Dylan Settles has published a letter from his church board informing him his name had been removed from the membership list. The note, which has been shared thousands of times on Facebook, urged the 20-year-old to leave his "sinful lifestyle."

"It has come to the attention of the Church body that you have made it known publicly, of your choice, to embrace the homosexual lifestyle," the letter began.

"While we understand the struggles we all face with sin in our lives, we must also be aware of the consequences of our choices," read the letter from the church board. ...


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Stand beside to guide | Close  Find all comments by Stand beside to guide
from the Biblical Illustrator’s comment on James 4:4 -- “When desire is normal it centres in God, and the soul comes into harmony with the universe. When we love the Creator supremely, we must receive delight from every part of the creation in the degree its Lord designed. The love of God is inclusive of the love of all that is good. Instead of narrowing, it expands infinitely our capacity of happiness. It awakens the dullest soul to a consciousness of the beautiful and the sublime in nature. It sanctions with the loftiest motives the pursuit of knowledge, it pronounces a blessing even on those lesser gifts which minister to the gratification of bodily appetite. All these contribute to his pleasure whose chief delight is in the Maker of all. Godliness has not only the promise of the world that now is, it has whatever is excellent in that world. Lovely as this earth mayor appear to the believer, his controlling impulse is not love of the world, but the love of God. If, on the other hand, our desires turn away from the great Father, they must rest on something He has made. It may be a person, it may be wealth, art, pleasure, fame; in any case the result is the same. We have wrecked the universal order; we have assailed the symmetry and splendour of the cosmos. "
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News Item12/4/15 9:23 AM
cite the Might | fight  Find all comments by cite the Might
[URL=http://goodbooksfree.com/scriptures/genevabible/46006.html]]]sodomite actions condemned at Corinth...[/URL]
Be not deceived:

Rudy Goins wrote:
Paul dealt with fornication at Corinth
Geneva Bible (1599): 1 Corinthians 6. ... Be not deceiued:
neither fornicatours,
nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor wantons,
nor buggerers,..."

1 Cor 6:9 -the Pilgrim's Bible
(they also used the Authorised Bible)

Knowe yee not that the vnrighteous shall not inherite the kingdome of God? Be not deceiued: neither fornicatours, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor wantons, nor buggerers,
Nor theeues, nor couetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners shall inherite the kingdome of God.
"

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News Item12/4/15 7:34 AM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
Rudy Goins wrote:
Paul dealt with fornication at Corinth not sodomy Gal 6:1 is not dealing with sodomy either. Reading the whole book of Galatians proves that, its not just a manifestation of the flesh its satanic
I will agree that Paul was not dealing specifically with homosexuality in Gal. 6 nor in 1Cor. 5, but how does that negate Mat. 18?

You say that a true born again Christian can't commit the sin of sodomy. Does that mean that folks who are saved out of that lifestyle are never again tempted by that sin? Do you have a scripture showing which sins a believer is capable of and which he is not? And even if you are right, surely you would agree that it is possible to be a sodomite church member.

Now if a church has an unregenerate, sodomite member, it still needs to carry out disciple BIBLICALLY because churches also have members who would pervert justice. That's part of the reason for step 2: "that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established." If we neglect God's pattern for discipline, we could wind up judging unrighteous judgement.

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News Item12/4/15 3:20 AM
Dave | oz  Find all comments by Dave
Sin in any form that it presents itself needs to be confronted, and if one is not repentant and doesn't accept righteous judgement from other members of the body of Christ then I would reiterate you shall be known by your fruit,
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News Item12/4/15 12:32 AM
Rudy Goins | Ga  Find all comments by Rudy Goins
Btw, no such thing as a Christian sodomite
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News Item12/4/15 12:29 AM
Rudy Goins | Ga  Find all comments by Rudy Goins
Paul dealt with fornication at Corinth not sodomy Gal 6:1 is not dealing with sodomy either. Reading the whole book of Galatians proves that, its not just a manifestation of the flesh its satanic
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News Item12/3/15 10:19 AM
Kenneth  Find all comments by Kenneth
Homosexuality is a manifestation of the flesh. Galatians 5 speaks against it as something practiced by those who will not inherit the kingdom of God. Romans 1 speaks against it as something practiced by apostates and the reprobate. The end of Romans and much of the book of 1 Corinthians warns to flee sexual sin like it over, and over, and over, and over again! If you want to get old school, The LORD my GOD speaks against it at Leviticus 18 as abomination to him!

Revelation 21:27 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

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News Item12/3/15 6:24 AM
Mouner  Find all comments by Mouner
Rodney wrote:
Perhaps a better question is, "Would Paul advocate a practice that was contrary to what Jesus taught?"...
Appreciated your thoughts here Rodney and was thankful to God for your ability to articulate them to us.
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News Item12/3/15 12:27 AM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
Sorry. I meant "Rudy Goins" not "Rudy Found" (stupid spell check)
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News Item12/3/15 12:20 AM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
[AUTHOR]Rudy Found[/AUTHOR][QUOTE]The church does not have to confront a sinner when it comes to church discipline...[/QUOTE]Au contraire. The church is obligated to confront her members who have fallen into unrepentant sin (Matthew 18:14-20, Galatians 6:1)
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News Item12/3/15 12:12 AM
Rodney | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney
Could you please tell me wrote:
where...
Perhaps a better question is, "Would Paul advocate a practice that was contrary to what Jesus taught?"
Or maybe this question, "Would he deny his words to the Galatian church: 'Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.'?"

Paul is dealing with a Corinthian church that was practicing NO discipline. So, he is addressing the church's INACTIVITY in the matter of discipline. He is not addressing the MANNER of disciplining. The fact that Paul doesn't spell out the process in 1Cor.5 does not prove that he would bypass the first two steps.

I suppose that it could be argued (I'm trying to look at this from every angle) that Paul was advocating immediate action even to the extreme of proceeding immediately to excommunication. IF that is the case (and I don't think you can prove conclusively that it was), Paul's urgency would only serve to further condemn the inaction of the church leaders. IE: If they had gone through the correct process to begin with, the situation would have already been dealt with and Paul would not have gotten wind of it nor had to deal with it as he did.

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News Item12/2/15 9:09 PM
Rudy Goins | Ga  Find all comments by Rudy Goins
Pardon the spelling. Is one Sin saved people don't do.
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News Item12/2/15 9:07 PM
Rudy Goins | Ga  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rudy Goins
The church does not have confront a sinner when it comes to church discipline. Sodomy is one single saved people don't do.
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News Item12/2/15 7:15 PM
dano | Washington  Find all comments by dano
Probably should have approached him privately first and reasoned with him from the scriptures and prayed w him. This was not the scriptural way, if indeed they jumped into dismissal first. People need to be loved and communicated w..
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News Item12/2/15 6:40 PM
Mourner  Find all comments by Mourner
[AUTHOR]Could you please tell me[/AUTHOR]where the Apostle Paul advocated the "first two steps in proper discipline" in I Corinthians 5? Was not the offender kicked out of the church via a letter?[/QUOTE]Not speaking for Rodney,

1 Cor.5 is addressing a long standing situation and the letter was not written to the offending party but to the ministers of the Church to be read to the Church as from the apostle. It is reported among you, Paul was not there yet the report had reached his attention. He had enough information and enough time had transpired for him to make this judgment.

The Church in Paul's day was closer to the doctrine of the apostles and prophets. This is at a time of great falling away. How does that effect the situation and all those involved? When sin is first observable to the local assembly, in its earliest troubling of the people of God, isn't that when Matthew 18 should be instituted in order to prevent full blown scandal? It has been my observation that religious pluralism has destroyed church discipline, one can just leave and take his/her sin elsewhere lack of communication between Churches division, schism and gossip complicate. Accountability begins at the top, the OT prophets rebuked accordingly as did the letters in Rev.2&3

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News Item12/2/15 5:18 PM
Could you please tell me  Find all comments by Could you please tell me
Rodney K. wrote:
I noticed the same thing. It does SEEM that the church omitted the first two steps in proper discipline (Matthew 18). While I applaud them for taking action, they should have gone to him privately at first. The goal of church discipline is not excommunication, but restoration. He should have been called to repentance (and given a chance to repent) before he was excommunicated. If they did that, it is not born out in the article.
where the Apostle Paul advocated the "first two steps in proper discipline" in I Corinthians 5? Was not the offender kicked out of the church via a letter?
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News Item12/2/15 5:02 PM
Mourner  Find all comments by Mourner
@ Ladybug,
Thank you for the clue. Consider 1Co 10:1-14 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

In Joshua 24 these are they that entered the promised land they too are a useful ensample for us. 2 Tim 3:16,

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News Item12/2/15 4:07 PM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
Wayfarer Pilgrim wrote:
Local church discipline is just that, local church discipline. But given the narcissism of this sin, it is best seen as a testimony of what happens when you dishonor Christ and his church. Sad thing is I hope the church has a good attorney because this world is thankfully not our home.
if it was a free church, they wouldn't need a lawyer. the pastor signed nondiscriminatory papers to go with the 501c3. funny thing there, bible calls us to differentiate (create distinctions, discriminate) between right and wrong, however fed statute now says that transgenderism is a right and is being taught under nondiscriminatory lingo.
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News Item12/2/15 3:55 PM
Wayfarer Pilgrim | Lubbock,tx  Find all comments by Wayfarer Pilgrim
Local church discipline is just that, local church discipline. But given the narcissism of this sin, it is best seen as a testimony of what happens when you dishonor Christ and his church. Sad thing is I hope the church has a good attorney because this world is thankfully not our home.
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News Item12/2/15 3:00 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Really a good article on Church discipline, [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/CHDISCIP.HTM]]]http://www.biblebb.com/files/CHDISCIP.HTM (Church Discipline--An Evidence of Christian Love)[/URL] from which,
Gil Rugh wrote:
If the person is still unwilling to repent, the fourth step, the last half of Matthew 18:17, must be implemented: "And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax-gatherer." That means the person is cut off from all association with the local Body of Christ. Believers are obligated to completely disassociate themselves from the individual. There is to be a total break.

Note the seriousness of this in Matthew 18:18: "Truly I say to you, whatever you shall bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." The statement is addressed to the local church, not to a church hierarchy. Discipline operates in the context of local churches....when the person repents from the sin, the church forgives him and involves the believer in the Body again. Christian love is manifested.

All verses from the [URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

Counseling? Counsel a murderer from stop killing--ah, no, stop it :alert;

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