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FRONT PAGE  |  10/16/2019
TUESDAY, DEC 1, 2015  |  339 comments
Brad Pitt Says He's 'Atheist;' Cites Baptist Upbringing, 'Christian Guilt'

Hollywood film star Brad Pitt acknowledged in a recent interview that he considers himself to be an atheist and does not adhere to religion despite being raised in a strict, conservative, Southern Baptist household in Missouri.

Pitt, who was raised by his Baptist father, Bill, and mother, Jane, described his early childhood life during an interview with The Telegraph.

The 51-year-old Pitt explained that at an early age, he was instilled "with all the Christian guilt about what you can and cannot, should and shouldn't do." ...


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News Item12/12/15 3:51 PM
Matthew Henry Cmtry  Find all comments by Matthew Henry Cmtry
Flesh Free will provides a struggle.

Gal 5:17
"That there is in every one a struggle between the flesh and the spirit (v. 17): The flesh (the corrupt and carnal part of us) lusts (strives and struggles with strength and vigour) against the spirit: it opposes all the motions of the Spirit, and resists every thing that is spiritual. On the other hand, the spirit (the renewed part of us) strives against the flesh, and opposes the will and desire of it: and hence it comes to pass that we cannot do the things that we would. As the principle of grace in us will not suffer us to do all the evil which our corrupt nature would prompt us to, so neither can we do all the good that we would, by reason of the oppositions we meet with from that corrupt and carnal principle. Even as in a natural man there is something of this struggle (the convictions of his conscience and the corruption of his own heart strive with one another; his convictions would suppress his corruptions, and his corruptions silence his convictions), so in a renewed man, where there is something of a good principle, there is a struggle between the old nature and the new nature, the remainders of sin and the beginnings of grace; and this Christians must expect" (Henry)

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News Item12/12/15 4:43 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Rodney K. wrote:
Just my thoughts
Rom 11:33-36
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, ..
For who has known the mind of the Lord? or who has been his counsellor?...
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever
Thank you for bringing these verses into the matter. They are pivotal for the depth they contain.
The trees mentioned in Eden, are 'sources' of, or choices. The tree of life, among the other choices/sources available to Adam, was not forbidden before the fall but after.

However, God did not intend for man to *know* evil and this is why He forbid him of partaking of the tree of *knowledge* of good and evil:
"I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil" Rm 16:19

Yet man's intrinsic 'curiosity' wished to explore beyond what God intended, verging him into the disastrous predicament of experimenting with evil, and finding out the inner bondage it brings:

"I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me"
Rm 7:21

This is why God tells us to abstain from occult involvement because of further evil bondage entailed

"..in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men" 1Co 14:2

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News Item12/11/15 7:04 PM
James Thomas  Find all comments by James Thomas
Mike wrote:
2 more cents, James: the question was, why did God plant the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
The tree led to lives being lost, for if there were no fall, no lives would have been lost, and a means of saving some would not have been needed. The tree wasn't meant for good, because good was already had. It was for testing. The man failed the test.
I agree Mike. How can mercy\grace\unconditional love be demonstrated if all the conditions are met?

One more thought...
You said..."the tree wasn't meant for good"...
Here is a verse that says just the same.

[25] Moreover, I gave them statutes that were not good and rules by which they could not have life....
Ezekiel 20:25

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News Item12/11/15 2:38 PM
free2choose  Find all comments by free2choose
arboriculture wrote:
Why did God plant the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
And make it "tempting" to the eyes of man:-
Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food.....
One reason for the planting of the tree was to test man's free will. Would Adam/Eve obey God or disobey. Would they choose God or choose Satan.

An interesting question on this event is, Did Adam/Eve have a greater struggle with their free will - (considering their more intimate relationship with God in the garden) - choosing between God or Satan?
That is a greater struggle than the sinner has today?

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News Item12/11/15 8:27 AM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
Mike wrote:
2 more cents, James: the question was, why did God plant the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
The tree led to lives being lost, for if there were no fall, no lives would have been lost, and a means of saving some would not have been needed. The tree wasn't meant for good, because good was already had. It was for testing. The man failed the test.
Just my thoughts...

The purpose of creation, indeed, the purpose of the incarnation, death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus was to bring God glory and to demonstrate His attributes. How could God demonstrate Himself as Savior if there were none to save? How could he demonstrate His justice, His longsuffering, His mercy to fallen creatures if there were none fallen? The fall was a necessary part of God's redemptive plan.

Romans 11:33-36
33. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34. For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35. Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36. For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen

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News Item12/11/15 8:05 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
James Thomas wrote:
Not answering for Brother Lurker but I believe this verse sums up the why.
Genesis 50:20 (KJV)
20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.
2 more cents, James: the question was, why did God plant the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

The tree led to lives being lost, for if there were no fall, no lives would have been lost, and a means of saving some would not have been needed. The tree wasn't meant for good, because good was already had. It was for testing. The man failed the test.

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News Item12/10/15 10:37 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
free2choose wrote:
1) OT love and NT believe = one and same? I don't see why? Gal 5:22 separates love and faith.

2) Deut 6:5 "love the Lord thy God with all thy heart"
= love here comes under 'affection'.
Mat 17:20 (pistis) " if you have faith" or Mat 18:6 "believe in me"
= assurance, belief, faith, fidelity. trust.
Mat 22:37 "love ... God" (agape) - love in social/moral sense.

1) Separation implies a distinction; Eg:

1 Tim 6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

Righteousness and faith/love are separated. That doesn't mean faith/love is not righteousness.

The work of love is twofold because there are two covenants (Gal 4:24) and fulfillments; love God and love brethren. Faith has but one work in one covenant; believe/love God. That's the distinction.

2) Paul spoke of the law of faith in contrast to the law of works (Rom 3:27). If this is not the 2nd covenant of Deut 29-30 summarized in Deut 6:5; then what? I already know you'll not find a different law of faith so my statement stands; faith loves/believes God.

John 5:42-44 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you... How can ye believe...?

No love of God, no faith/believe.

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News Item12/10/15 3:26 PM
James Thomas  Find all comments by James Thomas
arboriculture wrote:
Why did God plant the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
And make it "tempting" to the eyes of man:-
Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Not answering for Brother Lurker but I believe this verse sums up the why.

Genesis 50:20 (KJV)
20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

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News Item12/10/15 2:30 PM
arboriculture  Find all comments by arboriculture
Lurker wrote:
Nothing would make me happier than if you two would ask questions,
Why did God plant the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

And make it "tempting" to the eyes of man:-
Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

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News Item12/10/15 11:58 AM
free2choose  Find all comments by free2choose
The fact that sin is a 'receivable' influence within actually implies the free will to choose. If sin was not inherently influential within then the choice/decision process could not have alternatives. The choice of good and/or evil would not be apparent to us like a negative photo with dark and light.

Adam's initial condition of being without sin demonstrates the faculty of free will choice created in him. He chose to sin. Adam's subsequent condition - in sin - does not impair the faculty since choice/decision remains extant within him and within Adam's children.

Experience demonstrates our free will to sin and to choose otherwise and act on that choice, eg Rom 7:15.

Also our free will is culpable of sin demonstrating our guilt, eg Col 2:23.

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Lurker.
OT love and NT believe = one and same?
I don't see why? NB Gal 5:22 separates love and faith.
Deut 6:5 "love the Lord thy God with all thy heart"
= love here comes under 'affection'.

Mat 17:20 (pistis) " if you have faith" or Mat 18:6 "believe in me"
= assurance, belief, faith, fidelity. trust.
Mat 22:37 "love ... God" (agape) - love in social/moral sense.

'When' we have faith in Christ 'then' we will love God/Christ.

ps My phrase on - no faith/no choice - was to question and disagree with it.

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News Item12/10/15 11:26 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
I hear crickets.

But then the truth was never intended to be a crown pleaser.

J4J & F2C...... this has not been about winning a discussion but about revealing God's glory for His glory. Nothing would make me happier than if you two would ask questions, offer objections or require more objective justification for the things I've written. Its up to you.

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News Item12/10/15 3:38 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
B. McCausland wrote:
Thanks, each of the truths these verses reveal make the spirit rejoice
"Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven;
that thou has ... revealed (these things) ...
even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight."
Luk 10:21
If the Lord Jesus claimed such things (as God hiding truths from some and revealing them to others) in a FreeWill Baptist church, he'd have been chucked out as a wicked Calvinist. Oh boy, that's serious.
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News Item12/9/15 11:00 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
free2choose wrote:
If no faith means no choice - God need not be bothered since faithless-choice is irrelevant.
This clearly demonstrates that you don't know what biblical faith is or what it does. Every argument you make is based on a secular definition of faith. I went over this a couple days ago with J4J but perhaps you missed it or are unable to access it. So here is a brief recap.

OT "love God" and NT "believe Jesus" are one and the same just as OT circumcision and NT baptism are one and the same.

Biblical faith is the righteousness of God without the law (Rom 3:21-22).

Biblical faith is the fruit of the HS (Gal 5:22).

Biblical faith comes by hearing the word (voice) of God (Rom 10:17) by means of the gospel which means, btw, it is not innate to man.

Biblical faith loves God/believes Jesus.

Biblical faith justifies.

Biblical faith is the life of the soul (Is 55:3).

Biblical faith is part and parcel of God's gift of grace...

1 Tim 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

... Faith and love are in Jesus. We don't put our faith in Him, He puts His in us through the Spirit.

And you want to attribute all this to unbelievers? Let God define His own words.

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News Item12/9/15 9:46 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
free2choose wrote:
1. Well of course the unbeliever will not believe.
2. Prior to being adopted by God we are under the prince of this world. We know this.
3. We are made in the image of God even our faculties.
4. I am saved by God and the Holy Spirit indwells within me.
5. And don't forget -
WCF 5/2.
1) Were you never an unbeliever?

2) OK. But the quote was in answer to your attempt to prove the Jews had a choice to do good.

3) Then what need have we of the mind of Christ?

1 Cor 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

4) I do not question your salvation. If you keep God's commandments according to 1 John 3:23-24, then I consider you a brother/sister in Christ until you show fruit contrary to your profession. What I do question is why you cling so tightly to freewill theism if you are already a born again believer. Is it because your decision is your assurance?

5) Strange an Arminian would quote the WCF. No matter..... I take my marching orders from scripture.

In another post I'm going to address the error of your fallible reasoning. You seem all hung up on choice and clearly don't know what biblical faith does eg: "Why have faith 'to choose'".

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News Item12/9/15 5:21 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
John UK wrote:
God's choice.
James 1:18 KJV
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Thanks, each of the truths these verses reveal make the spirit rejoice

"Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven;
that thou has ... revealed (these things) ...
even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight."
Luk 10:21

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News Item12/9/15 5:05 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
B. McCausland wrote:
....
It is easier to accept what God says, and allow him to be God
We are "born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man, but of God." Jh 1:13
Whose choice?
Sister, quite so, it is God's choice.

James 1:18 KJV
(18) Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

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News Item12/9/15 4:43 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Lurker wrote:
1. The answer is simple
Jh 10:26-27 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep
They did what their nature demanded they do. Yet somehow you argue you are free to choose against your nature and desire.
Your arguments are a perfect example of what happens when one attempts to interpret the bible with fallible logic and reason at the rejection of scripture interprets scripture. You come up with whatever your mind has preconceived

2. free2choose wrote
then the "reason" why we are sinners is because we have NO choice. Is that just? is that fair? is that mercy? is that God?
Why have faith 'to choose' when conversion is the result of faith - not choice?
If no faith means no choice

Thanks
____

Please, see the comments about Mt 23:37 in a previous post.
Friend, your logic is becoming distorted, (no insult intended, just stating reality)
Read your own statements as they stand to verify this, for instance
'.. no faith means no choice' (?) or 'NO choice. Is that just?'
We are not dealing here about buying a car, but about corrupted souls.

It is easier to accept what God says, and allow him to be God
We are "born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man, but of God." Jh 1:13
Whose choice?

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News Item12/9/15 3:35 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Jim Lincoln wrote:
recognize them by their fruits
Please, abstain from ignorant and inaccurate generalizations.
John MacArthur's quote, if referring to the Puritans, would constitute a very offensive insult, and a grievous affront, to some of the most godly Puritans England produced. He should know better and perhaps you too... , or perhaps you are linking things together to forward your point ???

BTW the ethos Mr MacArthur's describes seems not impressing. It sounds as the jargon and the apologies of a liberal ... or at least of an individual with lose standards trying to reason out some who might have some. It is quite typical in the modernistic camp to misrepresent people of different convictions and conduct as 'legalistic'

Sorry for this.

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News Item12/9/15 3:17 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
BM, I'm hardly giving false witness,

Matthew 7: 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.---ESV

The fruits that Puritans/Pilgrims bore was nothing, their legalism nullified what good they did.

John MacArthur wrote:
Some Christians today, driven by a desire to win God’s favor, have built a false, self-righteous standard for living and even judged others by it corrupt expectations. This tangled, legalistic web frustrates worship, leads to disunity in the church, and offers only a cold shoulder for people struggling with sin and in need of loving, biblical help.
from, [URL=http://www.gty.org/resources/sermon-series/220/is-your-worship-free-from-legalism]]]s Your Worship Free from Legalism?[/URL] The Puritan practice certainly wasn't. Again BM, look at the URLs that I put referencing the Puritans
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News Item12/9/15 2:29 PM
James Thomas  Find all comments by James Thomas
free2choose wrote:
3. We are made in the image of God even our faculties.
Following your understanding as you have presented in your posts...

What would be the need\purpose in the life giving spirit then per your view if we are made in the image of God who is perfect...faculties included?

1 Corinthians 15:45 (KJV)
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Bro. Lurker and Saint John of UK

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