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FRONT PAGE  |  9/17/2019
Choice News SUNDAY, NOV 15, 2015  |  37 comments
Abortionist Admits the Brutality of Abortion: “It’s Violence, It’s a Person, It’s Killing”
Behind closed doors, abortion advocates are admitting the truth: Abortion is the violent killing of a human life.

A undercover video recorded by the Center for Medical Progress and leaked by the website GotNews.com captures a Planned Parenthood official admitting that pro-lifers are right about abortion. The video shows panelists discussing abortion at a National Abortion Federation conference in April of 2014.

Lisa Harris, an employee of Planned Parenthood of Mid and Southwest Michigan, tells the audience, “The fetus matters, clinically, to us.” ...


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News Item11/21/15 3:28 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
ladybug wrote:
It's interesting to note that in Genesis 4:1 it states 'and Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived'. The definition of conceived might help you understand when life begins -
haw-raw'
A primitive root; to be (or become) pregnant, conceive (literally of figuratively): - been, be with child, conceive, progenitor.
At conception, a woman is 'with child' ... nowhere does the Bible use the term 'fetus'
Thank you, the explanation is very edifying
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News Item11/21/15 3:07 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
Jim,

Where would I find 'fetus' in the bible? The definition of fetus is very telling -
an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth. source - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fetus

So Jim, what do you liberals call the unborn child prior to the two month period? Is it a human life Jim? When does life begin?

It's interesting to note that in Genesis 4:1 it states 'and Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived'. The definition of conceived might help you understand when life begins -
haw-raw'
A primitive root; to be (or become) pregnant, conceive (literally of figuratively): - been, be with child, conceive, progenitor.
At conception, a woman is 'with child' Jim. Take note, nowhere does the Bible use the term 'fetus'

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News Item11/21/15 2:34 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
s c wrote:
Jim,you probably mean well but maybe you need to reread the post from Anne.
The baby went with the Lord while preserving Anne's life.
Thanks for pointing that out to me s c. I must haven't done far enough in the message. Yes, that's is always what happens with ectopic pregnancies always death of the fetus, and the mother in countries that don't have modern healthcare. So, I'll apologize to Anne for not getting to her entire post.

No former fetus, I think
[URL=http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48954946.html]]]Abortion in Jewish Law[/URL] explains it very well,

Daniel Eisenberg, M.D wrote:
As a general rule, abortion in Judaism is permitted only if there is a direct threat to the life of the mother by carrying the fetus to term or through the act of childbirth. In such a circumstance, the baby is considered tantamount to a rodef, a pursuer6 after the mother with the intent to kill her....Despite the classification of the fetus as a pursuer, once the baby's head or most of its body has been delivered, the baby's life is considered equal to the mother's, and we may not choose one life over another, because it is considered as though they are both pursuing each other.
I agree with the above.
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News Item11/20/15 4:13 PM
Dave | oz  Find all comments by Dave
Anne,
Thankyou :-)
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News Item11/20/15 1:01 AM
Anne | the Wild West  Find all comments by Anne
Thank you Frank! We appreciate the prayers of seasoned veterans! I am looking forward to the day I get to meet the child I never knew and praise God for His mercy toward us.

Pennned, God has been indescribably gracious to us, to me. He knows exactly how to heal our wounds in such a way that we bring the glory to Him. Amazing!

Thanks Dave! I've enjoyed reading your comments and you sure seem to have a heart for the Lord! Bless you! Since baby number five almost 2 years ago I have found my life, um... full (that's a good word); it has been nearly impossible to do more than quickly read through the news and comments but there are many here who I pray for regularly and you're one of them!

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News Item11/19/15 8:37 PM
Dave | oz  Find all comments by Dave
Thankyou Anne,
My prayers and thoughts are with you, God bless sister
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News Item11/19/15 5:27 PM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
Anne wrote:
Pennnelope, ectopic pregnancies have a super slim chance of success (there must be a better word there I'm missing) but there is a very slight chance that the baby can actually move and
Anne, your testimony is a blessing and one to be shared. thank you for sharing. the good Lord spared you in some ways even in your grief and in the blessing of having children.
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News Item11/19/15 4:41 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Anne wrote:
cont...
correctly implant. Super rare, but it has happened, probably more than we know. We knew there was just no way our baby would live, but it retained that breath of life given by God... How can you choose who's breath is more important?? But having walked a mile in those shoes, I sympathize with the families who have had to deal with this. It's grim.
What a great testimony you have and we know that all things work together for our good and His glory. You suffered so that you could help others is "one way" of looking at it. And, your baby is with the Lord and you will meet and be with him/her one day for all eternity.

[3] Blessed [be] God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort; [4] Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God. [5] For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ. (2Co 1:3-5 KJV)

I will be praying for your new one, so please let us know when they arrive.

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News Item11/19/15 4:07 PM
Anne | the Wild West  Find all comments by Anne
cont...
correctly implant. Super rare, but it has happened, probably more than we know. We knew there was just no way our baby would live, but it retained that breath of life given by God... How can you choose who's breath is more important?? But having walked a mile in those shoes, I sympathize with the families who have had to deal with this. It's grim.
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News Item11/19/15 4:05 PM
Anne | the Wild West  Find all comments by Anne
Frank, no grief here! One of the things God has given me peace over is the fact that I was used by Him to carry one of His covanent children straight into His arms. It was terribly sad for us but if I really, really believe God will do all His holy will, then I can rest easy even when I am unable to understand. I know many women who struggle their entire lives with miscarages but, like Hannah who gave up Samuel, our children never did, never have and never will actually belong to us. She knew this; they are fully God's. That's why a human "choosing" what they'll do with "their" child is an understandable but incorrect biblical view of children. Yes, they are given to us as blessings but they retain their Creators trademark. We are God's agents toward them and what a blessing that is!! We are four weeks out from number six - what a trip God had planned for us!

s c, thank you. Jim just doesn't get it - he lives in a life where he actually believes there must be God's rules and man's rules and uses man's ideas to prove his points. Frank hit the nail on the head there, sorry to say.

Pennnelope, ectopic pregnancies have a super slim chance of success (there must be a better word there I'm missing) but there is a very slight chance that the baby can actually move and

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News Item11/19/15 3:20 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
s c wrote:
Jim,you probably mean well but maybe you need to reread the post from Anne.
The baby went with the Lord while preserving Anne's life.
Thanks for pointing this out sister. Jim reads about as well as he opines on things. And his agenda is to undermine God's love and holiness. When someone is promoting sin, then they are blinded to the truth. My guess is your post will cause him to get a blank look in his eyes, shake his head a couple of times, and then he will simply march on.

I do hope his post doesn't cause Anne any additional grief. Jim never means to do good, but only to drive his agenda.

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News Item11/19/15 3:11 PM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
Jim,you probably mean well but maybe you need to reread the post from Anne.
The baby went with the Lord while preserving Anne's life.
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News Item11/19/15 2:00 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Yes, congratulations Ann, a normal pregnancy coming from an ectopic situation is about as common as virgin birth -- and only one of those have been recorded. So, congratulations on the miracle. By the way, for women who aren't so fortunate, [URL=http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Ectopic-pregnancy/Pages/Treatment.aspx]]]http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Ectopic-pregnancy/Pages/Treatment.aspx[/URL].

So, are sure it was an ectopic pregnancy? But I will say all births are a gift from God.

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News Item11/19/15 10:57 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Anne wrote:
We wrestled with the doctors from the beginning. They maintained the "fetus wasn't viable" and we should work to quickly preserve my life. But that heart kept beating. We went in every day for an ultrasound and heard their little heart thumping away. Yes, we knew we'd never see the baby this side of Heaven, but we also could see, clearly, that it was ALIVE and the thought of cutting it out, laying it's tiny little body in a cold pan so it could die was not an option for us. I could tell you the whole story - God's providence was mind blowing in all of this - I literally was hours from death but God chose the time of the baby's end and preserved my life. It was HIS choice, life and death, not mine. My God is not a weakling, relying on a doctors diagnosis and opinions. He is mighty to save. Not all women are so quick to draw the trigger when they hear that life beating away and want to preserve themselves. We knew the risk was tremendous; we knew my husband might very well face a future without his wife and our three kids without their mother. I personally could not have lived with myself had I chosen to stop that heart from beating so I might live. "GREATER love has no man than this..."
Beautiful testimony sister; thanks
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News Item11/19/15 10:40 AM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
Anne,your baby went straight to the Lord's arms.
Thank the Lord for His and for your faithfulness in the matter.
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News Item11/19/15 10:37 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Penny, apparently that is the Roman Catholic church's opinion also. [URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_abortion]]]Catholic Church and abortion[/URL] There is a section in this article on entropic pregnancies. Use the search function of your browser to find it. There seems to be some confusion in the Magisterium mind, on some procedures about saving the mother's life. You can check out the article for yourself.
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News Item11/19/15 10:25 AM
pennnelope  Find all comments by pennnelope
Frank, it was me that asked the question and I meant it with all sincerity. I'm sorry if it led to any confusion.

you know that I am against abortion and that I think states should be prosecuting abortionists for taking the lives of the unborn.

my understanding is that eptopic pregnancies cannot survive.

I do not think this weakens the prolife and abolitionists of human abortion position, sometimes the unborn are not able to survive....

how important in these cases is a prolife doctor (not typical Darwinist) who can take the family through harrowing circumstances.

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News Item11/19/15 7:59 AM
former fetus | wide world  Find all comments by former fetus
[URL=http://americanrtl.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about-abortion]]]What the Bible says about Abortion:American RTL[/URL]

Exodus 21:22 is the first fetal homicide law and concerns the child harmed during a separate assault. Pro-abortion theologians wrongly interpret this passage to refer to miscarriage, and only if the woman also dies is the penalty then life for life. But the passage distinguishes between the baby who survives the assault and the baby who dies. The meaning turns on whether the woman has a miscarriage or gives birth prematurely. And the Hebrew verb used is NOT that for miscarriage. Therefore the passage imposes only a fine on the criminal who accidentally causes a premature birth, but the punishment is life for life if the baby then dies. This shows that God equated the life of the unborn with that of the born, and abortion with murder. This passage, like Exodus 21:33-36, 22:5-6, and others, teaches that those who cause injury are responsible for their actions, even if the harm was unintentional. Therefore, this passage is the biblical model for any principled Unborn Victims of Crime Act.

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News Item11/19/15 7:17 AM
Anne | the Wild West  Find all comments by Anne
Ectopic pregnancy? Our 4th was ectopic. We wrestled with the doctors from the beginning. They maintained the "fetus wasn't viable" and we should work to quickly preserve my life. But that heart kept beating. We went in every day for an ultrasound and heard their little heart thumping away. Yes, we knew we'd never see the baby this side of Heaven, but we also could see, clearly, that it was ALIVE and the thought of cutting it out, laying it's tiny little body in a cold pan so it could die was not an option for us. I could tell you the whole story - God's providence was mind blowing in all of this - I literally was hours from death but God chose the time of the baby's end and preserved my life. It was HIS choice, life and death, not mine. My God is not a weakling, relying on a doctors diagnosis and opinions. He is mighty to save. Not all women are so quick to draw the trigger when they hear that life beating away and want to preserve themselves. We knew the risk was tremendous; we knew my husband might very well face a future without his wife and our three kids without their mother. I personally could not have lived with myself had I chosen to stop that heart from beating so I might live. "GREATER love has no man than this..."
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News Item11/19/15 1:13 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Frank, you will be surprised I often use more than one translation of the Bible. I use the WEB for example, and even the Amer. KJV on rare occasions. Since I was quoting a person, I didn't feel the necessity of changing what he used, for then it wouldn't be an accurate quotation. So, far, I think I'm the only one using my moniker on this thread, anyway. But,

Exodus 21
22 "And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide.
23 "But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, ---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

Women seem to believe in helping their men in fights at that time, so it isn't a murder if she receives a blow that causes the abortion of the child. Of course it will still cost the man who does it.

Eptopic pregnancy is unnatural and surgery has to be done. See, [URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_abortion]]]Catholic Church and abortion[/URL]

Yes, Frank, anyone killing a mother should be faced with a homicide or manslaughter charge. Now, that's Biblical.

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