Trump's Meeting With Prosperity Preachers Is Outreach to Heretics, Russell Moore Says
Moore, who has been an outspoken critic of Trump, argued that most of the so-called "Evangelicals" Trump is reaching out to would be considered heretics by most Evangelicals.
"The people that Trump has so far identified as his evangelical outreach are mostly prosperity gospel types, which are considered by mainstream evangelicals to be heretics," he told Politico.
"Trump seems to be positioning himself as a secular version of the health-and-wealth televangelists ‚Ä¶ What Donald Trump is doing in terms of promises for the future is very similar to what's going on among these prosperity gospel hawkers," he said.
Moore also wrote a Sept. 17 op-ed for The New York Times arguing that Evangelicals who support Trump are betraying their values....
What type of state do I want to see? Well what the United States started as a masonic Republic‚Ěó https://tinyurl.com/a643m (American Masonic History--What Are America's True Roots?) There was certainly plenty of freedom of religion through the history of the United States and of course, I eschew, https://tinyurl.com/yd2k9jdj (Dominionism -- A Summary) , BM
I should have complimented SA for picking such an excellent article. People should also follow the link in it that goes to the Politico article that is in it‚ĚóūüĎć
Jim Lincoln wrote: 1. ... no matter what government you have, be it secular or a Christian caliphate, it is all going to be destroyed! 2. ... I don't want to live in a Puritan state.
1. The church is not meant to be above the State, but to influence it by prayer and supplication for the wellbeing of its subjects.
"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty, For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;" 1Ti 2:1-3
2. What kind of state would be your preference to live in?
3. Sorry, but the quotation of Gil Rugh's provided does not add or relate to the issue you affirm in the post. BTW, it appears you did not take time to read the post content either.
4. On another line of thought, here is something you might benefit from: 'The Perpetuity of the Moral Law' by John Greer http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=10415532124
you see, BMc, all a pastor has to do is teach pop theology, about not having to suffer for Christ, and the goats can come to church every week and say that sanctification in this life doesn't happen, but "thy Kingdom come" is of no effect in their own lives. If "Baptists" believe they are not to be a part of Christ's Kingdom yet, then they are not in Christ's Kingdom and do not have the Holy Spirit. Bereft of the Holy Spirit, one is not born again.
However, if one were to study Anabaptists, the first Baptists, some were way off, others were remnant believers who took up persecution rather than compromise their testimony and to receive believer's baptism.
scofield has essentially re-Romanized what came OUT of Rome during the reformation.
scofieldism is ecumenical, and in fact many believe that the ideas were designed by a Jesuit. Whatever it is, by not knowing or understand the Kingdom of God, many number among them that never counted the cost. I know many among them who just don't know better, the best antidote is reading the bible without Jesuit commentators.
Here's a huge listout for those who want to research this:
BM, no matter what government you have, be it secular or a Christian caliphate, it is all going to be destroyed! I don't want to live in a Puritan state. Most Baptists in the didn't want to either! Christ's kingdom will not appear until after the tribulation.
Gil Rugh said or, wrote: Beginning with a look back at the record of world empires and their rulers before the birth of Christ affirms the reliability of what God has foretold concerning the coming world empires and rulers. God has given specific and precise details and order as concerns the world to come. Knowing God is the sovereign authority and Jesus Christ will be the One who will rule over the world when He returns to the earth is critical for living in the world as it is now and for living in the world to come. Personally knowing God and being known by Him by means of faith alone in Jesus Christ alone gives great encouragement for the day at hand and heightens the anticipation of eternity to come. Such encouragement and anticipation is only for those who have peace with God and follow Him as Lord and Savior and then look to the Word of God for details of the world to come.
summary for, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1231131352365]]]...The World To Come[/URL]
Jim Lincoln wrote: 1. The best protection of Christianity in this country, is the secular state. 2. I find his Unholiness an interesting character ... I'm glad that SA reports on him. For example, his false use of Scripture - -
1. Is it? Presently secularized governments are curtailing freedom of conscience. Secularized states do not usually have the Christian‚Äôs interest in mind because they pronounce themselves as anti-Christian per definition. You come to this conclusion by the juxtaposition of your second statement: ‚ÄúI suppose you should be reminded again about the corruption of a church when it gets mixed into politics‚ÄĚ which seems to trace back to the origins of the church of Rome with its world dominion following.
A secularized state per se denies the existence of God's laws written in the human heart. However, a secularized state is an utopia because nobody ever can totally erase the evidence of God's laws in the human heart, and traces of God's law will always be here and there. Perhaps the better wording would be that Christianity would be protected by a Lawful state which upholds dignity, respect and diversity.
2. Acting as a politician, one hardly hears Scripture.
If Jan Crouch and the Copelands,etc. are laying hands on Trump then Moore's statement is valid. Unbeliever or not,I can't believe that Trump doesn't see through these people...must be an agenda though if he is trying to convince evangelicals that he is remotely religious it would seem that he is lacking much savoir faire in buddying up to these "representatives" of Christianity.
He's a big wheel in the Southern Baptist Convention hierarchy, [URL=http://https://erlc.com/erlc/president/]]]https://erlc.com/erlc/president/ (Russell Moore)[/URL] So, some other threads on SermonAudio about him, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details.asp?ID=42712]]]Will Southern Baptists Back Russell Moore‚Äôs Call to Remove Confederate Flag?[/URL] or more particularly, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details.asp?ID=41759]]]Southern Baptist Leader Russell Moore: Alabama Judges Must Uphold ‚ÄėGay Marriage‚Äô Ruling or Resign[/URL]. I see he also has some sermons on SermonAudio. So, MOrtise N. Tenon, that should explain to you who Dr. Moore is.
Like many IFB's that are in the Anabaptist tradition, we aren't as political as the SBC is, even though we have a whole lot in common. But [URL=http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/amr/cact2.htm]]]"Christian" Activism[/URL] isn't one of them, Phil Johnson the aide-de-camp of John MacArthur did an excellent job of espousing the view of many Independent Fundamentalist Baptists--See [URL=http://www.gty.org/resources/print/articles/A222]]]http://www.gty.org/resources/print/articles/A222 (Politically Incorrect?)[/URL]
So, who is this guy Moore? I have never heard of him--has anyone besides his mother and father? Sounds like this is a ploy to get his own name in the public eye. Sorry-it's not working! Notice the source of the article: Christianpost, not exactly a popular website.
As I tried to say, Mr Trump is not going to turn away any votes that he can get. I think we in the English-speaking world should remember some of the greatest supporters of freedom of religion have not been Christians. Christopher Hitchens was a good example of a person to realize the danger of Islam. Pat Condell, of England is yet another example and even a political conservative, q.v.,
John Quincy Adams - 6th president of the United States wrote: He (Muhammad) poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. The essence of his doctrine was violence and lust: to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature...
[URL=http://www.siotw.org/news_english.item.1200/pat-condell.html]]] Stop Islamization of the World[/URL]
Donald Trump is looking for votes. He is going to turn his back on anybody probably. I consider her to be much worse than Trump, for trying to mix religion into politics. The best protection of Christianity in this country, is the secular state. I suppose you should be reminded again about the corruption of a church when it gets mixed into politics, q.v., [URL=http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/cath/ch-state.htm]]] http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/cath/ch-state.htm ( Roman Catholicism: The Paganization of Christianity Constantine and the Catholic Church-State)[/URL]. Mr Trump multiple marriages, makes me wonder how well he would be as a leader of a country. It shows a personal weakness. I am much more interested that he make sure everyone gets a square deal aka Teddy Roosevelt, and not be preaching at us. so I have no problem at all with him talking to the health and wealth people - - who I consider an abomination to Christianity.
I believe that what Russell Moore would advocate is a Christian within the church wall staying in the church. Nevertheless, the prosperity gospel appeals to Trump because it's all about taking money on false pretenses.
Frank wrote: Thanks for your thoughts Allie. Prosperity gospels are antithetical to true Christianity and I consider then to be cults. You and I agree on that. I don't know much about Mr. Moore. If you have a link that would be great.
It occurred to me that just maybe Mr Trump dosen't have a clue of the danger of heresy. Someone who has his ear needs to share the TRUTH with him! John 14:6- " I am the way the TRUTH and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me" ! May we all lift him up in prayer. God Bless!
Allie wrote: I think Mr. Moore needs to check himself and. Mrs. Karen Swallow Pryor first. I do not support health and wealth preachers Mr. Trump, but Mr. Moore doesn't seem too grounded himself. He is an Ecumenist amongst other things.
Thanks for your thoughts Allie. Prosperity gospels are antithetical to true Christianity and I consider then to be cults. You and I agree on that.
I don't know much about Mr. Moore. If you have a link that would be great.
I think Mr. Moore needs to check himself and. Mrs. Karen Swallow Pryor first. I do not support health and wealth preachers Mr. Trump, but Mr. Moore doesn't seem too grounded himself. He is an Ecumenist amongst other things.
"Trump seems to be positioning himself as a secular version of the health-and-wealth televangelists ‚Ä¶ What Donald Trump is doing in terms of promises for the future is very similar to what's going on among these prosperity gospel hawkers," Roger Moore -- from the article.
Moore needs to read, Phil Johnson's [URL=http://www.gty.org/resources/print/articles/A222]]]http://www.gty.org/resources/print/articles/A222 (Politically Incorrect?)[/URL].
It's perfectly acceptable for a politicians to hawk prosperity -- even if he can't deliver on it.