A defiant county clerk was sent to jail for contempt Thursday after insisting that her â€śconscience will not allowâ€ť her to follow a federal judgeâ€™s orders to issue marriage licenses to gay couples.
â€śGodâ€™s moral law conflicts with my job duties,â€ť Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis told U.S. District Judge David Bunning. â€śYou canâ€™t be separated from something thatâ€™s in your heart and in your soul.â€ť
The judge said she left him with no alternative but to jail her, since fines alone would not change her mind. A deputy escorted her out of the courtroom, although not in handcuffs, to be turned over to the custody of federal marshals....
the majority of people agreed that she should have been thrown in jail. if something was bothering the conscience of this person, she could have resigned her position. Furthermore, she is as much a Christian as a Jehovah Witness or a Unitarian. Most of us do not consider those two groups Christian See [URL=http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/09/splainer-whats-apostolic-christian-and-why-kim-davis-hair-so-long/71947018/]]]Whatâ€™s an Apostolic Christian[/URL]. I would also suggest you look at this HTML file besides, [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/CAESAR.HTM]]]Rendering To Caesar---A Biblical Perspective On Government[/URL]
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=91015182560]]]Clerk,Judge&Law Pastor Ovadal on SA[/URL] Good overview of declaration on Laws of Nature's God as discernment of when a so-called law is no law at all.
The Supreme's can sing a song all about how the laws of gravity is no longer in effect, but rational people will oppose such foolishness.
The link u responded to says during NT times (a time of the Roman emperors) there is NO support for your idea if ", â€śGod puts people in office and it is our duty to respect and honor themâ€ť
then it follows that God has placed every despot, tyrant, murderer and psycho in office and it is our duty to honor and respect them. There is a Greek word that is used for this mental disease of uncritical and unbiblical thinking
â€“ baloney. "
"Are there any NT examples to support the common understanding of Romans 13?
No not one.
We cannot say biblically, â€śwell God raised up this President or these nine Supreme Court Justices, or these Senators, etc., so we must obey them.â€ť
If government is truly a minister of God they will act like a minister of God.
Therefore friends the prevailing interpretation of Romans 13 is clearly wrong based on a study of the text. Tyrants love it when Christians resign themselves to supporting evil conduct. Donâ€™t be deceived folks. Honoring the authority behind the office is right but to translate that into honoring the person is clearly wrong-headed and unbiblical."
Left Arm wrote: 1. Tolerated due to an incorrect reading of Romans 13
2. To say that God-ordains covenant breakers, liars, murderers, and all forms of evil perpetrated by governments is to make God unworthy to judge the world.
1. The phrase 'tolerated anarchy' was used in the post to indicate the tolerance of lawless conduct from the powers above.
2. God ordains evil to perform his just jugdments. For instance, see Habakkuk â€śFor, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, [that] bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwellingplaces [that are] not theirs, â€¦ and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves. â€¦. They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up [as] the east wind, â€¦ they shall scoff at the kings, â€¦ they shall deride every strong holdâ€¦ â€ť
Yet Habakkuk reckoned: â€śO LORD, thou has ordained them for judgment; ... thou has established them for correction.â€ť Hab 1:6-12
Zechariah in his day recorded: â€śâ€¦ therefore came a great wrath from the LORD â€¦ Therefore it is come to pass, that as he cried, and they would not hear; so they cried, and I would not hear, says the LORD ... But I scattered them â€¦â€ť Zec 7:12-14
B. McCausland wrote: Judges' lawless conduct... tolerated anarchy
Tolerated due to an incorrect reading of Romans 13
[URL=http://www.newswithviews.com/guest_opinion/guest297.htm]]]Romans 13 vs uncritical & unbiblical thinking [/URL] God does not require submission to governments that have left their God-honoring moorings and have turned evil into good and good into evil.
For governments to operate as Godâ€™s ministers, to be identified as God-ordained they must function as they were designed to function and when they do not they have shown they are not entitled to submission.
Therefore God did not establish Hitler, the German people did that.
To say that God-ordains covenant breakers, liars, murderers, and all forms of evil perpetrated by governments is to make God unworthy to judge the world.
If manâ€™s laws are evil and ordained by God how do you reconcile Godâ€™s holy nature with unholy authority?
If government is truly a minister of God they will act like a minister of God.
Therefore friends the prevailing interpretation of Romans 13 is clearly wrong based on a study of the text. Tyrants love it when Christians resign themselves to supporting evil conduct. Donâ€™t be deceived folks.
JacTrac wrote: How can this happen after the greatest evangelist in the world, Billy Graham, has been fervently preaching against the sin of homosexuality for all these past decades? And how the sodomites hated him for it. Don't you remember? I don't either.
Graham and his son Franklin are hated by the sodomites for preaching against homosexuality. I have read that in the news before.
How can this happen after the greatest evangelist in the world, Billy Graham, has been fervently preaching against the sin of homosexuality for all these past decades? And how the sodomites hated him for it. Don't you remember? I don't either. How can this happen after purpose driven guru Rick Warren, Billy's replacement, has been licking Obama's boots giving that abortionist and sodomite promoter a forum at his conference to lie about same sex marriage and giving the invocation at Obama's inauguration in effect blessing the devil himself. How can all this happen?
Grayson, KY â€“ This afternoon Liberty Counsel filed an appeal of the Contempt Order for Kim Davis, who is now in her fourth day of confinement at the Carter County Detention Center in Grayson, Kentucky. Liberty Counsel attorneys are continuing to work on the legal brief that will later be filed in which the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals will be asked to expedite the appeal and set the Contempt Order aside.
â€śWhile most Americans are enjoying the extended holiday weekend with family and friends, Kim Davis sits in isolation for the fourth day in jail,â€ť said Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel. â€śWe are working through the holiday to secure Kimâ€™s freedom,â€ť Staver said.
The Notice of Appeal is directed to the Contempt Order verbally given from the bench last Thursday. Judge Bunning has not yet entered a written order even though Mrs. Davis has been incarcerated.
â€śMrs. Davis is entitled to proper notice and due process when she is threatened with the loss of her freedom.
There was no indication that she would be incarcerated.
We will be presenting our arguments on appeal and asking for an expedited ruling,â€ť said Staver.
CJW wrote: The Supreme Court judges have basically nullified the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. The arguments that have been stated in different ways in the news are that it is okay for a person to believe what ever they want, but it is not okay if they want to act on that belief. This makes the 1st Amendment meaningless if people actually buy in to that kind of argument.
Judges' lawless conduct is a form of tolerated anarchy
The Supreme Court judges have basically nullified the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. The arguments that have been stated in different ways in the news are that it is okay for a person to believe what ever they want, but it is not okay if they want to act on that belief. This makes the 1st Amendment meaningless if people actually buy in to that kind of argument.
Mourner wrote: Define righteousness. Define evangelical and protestant. I've always believed the definition for righteousness was according to the 1st epistle of John a belief in the truth and a progressively sanctified obedience to Christ the fulfillment of the law and love of the brethren. Perfection for the new creature is only in glory and that is why Christ alone is the fulfillment of the law. You don't recognize brethren by what they believe? It appears you have another definition of righteousness than I do from your example for you can with a clear conscience stand behind idolatry in the name of freedom of conscience 'so called', even when it doesn't fit what the apostles and prophets teach concerning true religion? God fearing magistrates as Psalm 82 and Romans 13 state, need to uphold the Law of Love as personified by Christ and stated in the 10 Commandments. Has this nation only recently started to resist Jesus Christ as Lord? You're okay with that?
Well mourner, you have got me mourning with every post you put up
Had to look up who was Jack Schapp- uh sorry I did. Being eaten up by sin will make you say the darnedest things- "inflamed prostate" has got to be a new low for the reason of Pedophilia. Reason why preaching against sin is only beneficial if one is fighting against your own sin.
wrote: The Real Antichristian Cowards Are The Millions Of County Clerks In The U.S.A. Who've NOT Done What Sister KIM DAVIS Has Done: Resisted Unto Arrest, Imprisonment, Death &-Or Blood Striving Against SIN ! Like Mama Always Said: "ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS" ! And, Like THE TRUE HOLY CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC BIBLE SAYS To ALL TRUE HOLY BIBLE CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS: "For Unto You It Is Given In The Behalf Of CHRIST, Not Only To BELIEVE On HIM, But ALSO To SUFFER For HIS Sake;"-Philippians 1:29 Yes, TALK Indeed Is CHEAP--Just As Cheap As The Words Of Men; Especially The Cheap Words Of The Supreme Court Judges Who've Ruled In Favor Of SODOMITE-SAME-SEX-"MARRIAGE"; Not To Mention The CHEAP WORDS OF U.S. DISTRICT JUDGE DAVID BUNNING ! But, THE ETERNAL WORD-/-WORDS OF OUR TRUE LIVING GOD & ETERNAL LIFE--THE LORD JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH IN ISRAEL--FAR OVER-RULES THE CHEAP WORDS OF MEN &-OR WOMEN: "But From THE BEGINNING Of THE CREATION GOD Made Them MALE And FEMALE. For THIS CAUSE Shall A MAN Leave HIS FATHER And MOTHER (MALE & FEMALE), And CLEAVE To HIS (FEMALE) WIFE; AND THEY TWAIN (TWO: MALE & FEMALE) SHALL BE ONE FLESH, SO THEN THEY ARE NO MORE TWAIN (TWO) BUT ONE FLESH."-Mark 10:6
**Should I Run For Cook County Clerk & Go To Jail Too ? ? ?**
If there are pastors who preaent the risen Christ, the forgiveness of sins, and fellowship of the saints , then most likely your pastor may be headed to jail. And I'll dare say there probably will be fewer than 500 arrested. 75 years ago, if someone was arrested and placed in solitary confinement to uphold an court opinion, she would be released and the judge would be in jail. But here we are, the great experiment in American evangelicalism is officially dead. Sin is not preached against and the church is either led by millionaires or baby Christians.
The Supreme Court did not change Kentuckyâ€™s marriage law or its forms, but invalidated the legislation limiting marriage to opposite sex couples. It is up to each stateâ€™s legislature to conform the law to the opinion. Kentucky Senate President Robert Stivers filed a brief in Davisâ€™s case, pointing out to the judge: â€śThe Supreme Court ruling has completely obliterated the definition of marriage and the process for obtaining a marriage license in Kentucky. The General Assembly will be compelled to amend many sections of Kentucky law, not just for the issuance of marriage licenses, to comply with the recent Supreme Court decision.â€ť The brief pointed out that the Governor can call a special session of the legislature, or he could issue an executive order about the licenses to later be codified by the legislature during the 2016 session. A judge is not a super-legislature that can rewrite the law.
[URL=http://www.lc.org/index.cfm?PID=14100&PRID=1587]]]Kim Davis. 10 points from her cell. [/URL]