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Choice News SATURDAY, MAY 30, 2015  |  25 comments  |  2 commentaries
Creationist finds most important fossil in decades

You have to smile, when the greatest fossil discovery in recent Calgary history comes at the end of a backhoe operated by a man known as the greatest promoter of creationism in Alberta.

His name is Edgar Nernberg, and when he’s not sitting on the board of directors of Big Valley’s Creationist Museum or actively lobbying for the inclusion of creationism in Alberta’s school curriculum, Nernberg operates a backhoe in Calgary.

It was in the seat of that machine that Nernberg made the discovery being hailed by scientists in Alberta as one of the most important fossil finds in decades, helping to solve an evolutionary puzzle dating back 60 million years. ...


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Jessica Dawson | Canada  Find all comments by Jessica Dawson
“The statistical probability that organic structures and the most precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be generated by accident, is zero.”

— Quote by, Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist) Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry (I. Prigogine, N. Gregair, A. Babbyabtz, Physics Today 25, pp. 23-28)

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News Item6/1/15 10:36 AM
pennnelope  Find all comments by pennnelope
Christopher000 wrote:
Even the speed of light isn't reliable.
well, that's interesting!

if power sources were decentralized, the world would operate in communities... they want centralized world power, so a scientist who gets the word out that you can do such and such is not a happy thing for them.

people today with a third world mindset, in the sense that things are the way they are because they can't be changed. when they can.

why is this important? because they are teaching per evolution and commnst doctrine, that people are useless eaters that are overpopulating the planet and destroying the earth with their habits and eat meating...

see CFR member Warren's popular book, Daniel, SBCs popular book.

so as a society, instead of using renewable resources, our corporations poison our waters, and then pass laws that restrict our ability to get out of their grid, while our leaders restrict the industries -- Florida just made it illegal to live in a home not on the grid.

imagine renewable resources on a cabin, they don't want that!

so our creation scientists, go get em! keep the dialogue alive, its a good thing.

we aren't useless animals born from darwins sludge but human beings once created in the image of God.

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News Item6/1/15 6:47 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
penny writes:
"the dependence on oil is created by the oil industry. alternative energies have been supplanted..."

Yeah, I was going to mention the alternatives, but the worlds billionaires and oil rich countrys would never allow any sort of turnover or phasing out of oil. I was surprised to even see, say the Prius" come onto the scene. The world is so oil dependent, and this way of life is so protected, so as not to disrupt entire economies that I don't see anything ever changing. I guess the argument for biogenic oil would be that if it doesn't replenish itself, we'd better get moving now on those alternatives. With our technological advances, the four stroke engine should be in a museum. BWS: right on...the earth was far different before, and even after the flood for a time. There's no consistencey to accruatly measure anything. Even the speed of light isn't reliable.

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News Item5/31/15 4:12 PM
BWS  Find all comments by BWS
Radioactive carbon dating uses a precise scientific measure to extrapolate a conclusion using an unscientific and unhistoric theory and presumption of Uniformitarianism, which boasts ridiculous results like the article states of "roughly (mark that indefinitive term without parameters) 60 million years".
Before the universal flood, which has been well documented by geologists, the earth was far different in climate, firmament and therefore radiation exposure, as well as the geological rapid delusion and breakup of Earth, axis of orientation vs the Sun, "aging the earth" in a short span vs the extrapolated speculative aging of fossils or geology based on their calibrated model from Uniformitarianism, leading only to wilder and imprecise conclusions about age taken from Earth deposits surrounding their findings.
For their same presumptive "measurements" they think the Grand Canyon took millions of years to form, and teach it fanatically, which the Universal Flood rationally explains as a short span of history geologically.
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News Item5/31/15 2:23 PM
Sceptical of pagans | Wetlands  Find all comments by Sceptical of pagans
[URL=http://kgov.com/list-of-not-so-old-things]]]List of Not So Old Things[/URL]

It’s hard work in a world where evolution and a timeline measured in the billions of years is widely accepted — but Nernberg says he doesn’t mind, knowing his point of view is the right one.

“There’s no dates stamped on these things,” he says, sharing a good-humoured chuckle about a discovery that has him working alongside the ideological enemy, so to speak

And the evolutionists will NOT test these with carbon 14 techniques as they falsely assume millions on years.

[URL=http://kgov.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue#research]]]Soft tissue in Dino bones proves young earth [/URL]

include DNA, blood vessels, collagen, osteocytes, hemoglobin, red blood cells, and various proteins, as published in many leading scientific journals, including Nature, Science, PNAS, PLoS One, Bone, Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, which have published peer-reviewed papers confirming the discovery of original biological material ...

Laugh at ignorant evolution. Psalm 2.

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News Item5/31/15 9:44 AM
penny  Find all comments by penny
the dependence on oil is created by the oil industry. alternative energies have been supplanted. even way back when Henry Ford was going to use hemp and they made it illegal.

so yes the abiotic theory would shake up the "limited resource" theory that kept the petrodollar reign. since this is being dissolved, I personally find it less of an issue.

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News Item5/31/15 8:56 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
SteveR Wrote:
If one of the abiogenic theories is correct, say oil in produced in the mantle and refills even depleted pools, then one would plan far differently than if hydrocarbons were a more limited resource requiring 10000s of years to produce.

Thanks, but it seems like any planning would have had to have taken place and implemented at the same time combustion engines, etc, came onto the scene. As populations grow, along with the number of cars, trucks, planes, heavy equipment, gasoline needed to supply an ever gowing planet, home fuel oil, etc, etc, that need oil to keep on keeping on, it seems that no matter how its produced really doesn't even matter anymore because the world needs it and will need more and more with each passing year, regardless of whether it self replenishes or not. All Im saying is that we're past the point of no return as far as controlling consumption even if we were to find out, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the earth is about out for good, so I don't get why either theory even matters at this point. I'm no expert though and there's probably more to it.

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News Item5/31/15 8:33 AM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
Christopher000 wrote:
I think the biogenic and abiogenic "theories" are both interesting. I've listened to both sides along with the arguments over the years, and who knows. I don't know why some get so heated when discussing the theories...who cares. Not the people here, but different places on the Internet I've visited along with the debaters I've listened to get pretty angry when.discussing this.
I think it can be a serious issue not just for short term economic concerns of Petrostates, but for long term strategic planning.
If one of the abiogenic theories is correct, say oil in produced in the mantle and refills even depleted pools, then one would plan far differently than if hydrocarbons were a more limited resource requiring 10000s of years to produce.
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News Item5/31/15 8:14 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I think the biogenic and abiogenic "theories" are both interesting. I've listened to both sides along with the arguments over the years, and who knows. I don't know why some get so heated when discussing the theories...who cares. Not the people here, but different places on the Internet I've visited along with the debaters I've listened to get pretty angry when.discussing this.
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News Item5/30/15 9:55 PM
pennnelope  Find all comments by pennnelope
Mourner wrote:
Where are you going to get tons and tons of Dinosaurs again to repeat the process or are you referring to another way of repeatable the fact? Like what?
its repeatable in the sense that dead animal/plant mass can be pressed into oil.
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News Item5/30/15 6:22 PM
Get Real | Wisconsin  Find all comments by Get Real
scientific wrote:
"The fish, each about the size of an iPhone, were last swimming around roughly 60 million years ago, in the era immediately after a massive asteroid strike wiped out the dinosaurs."
The asteroid strike was apparently caused by Klingons in a battle with the Starship Enterprise.
thank you for the lol~!
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News Item5/30/15 3:46 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
scientific wrote:
"The fish, each about the size of an iPhone, were last swimming around roughly 60 million years ago, in the era immediately after a massive asteroid strike wiped out the dinosaurs."
The asteroid strike was apparently caused by Klingons in a battle with the Starship Enterprise.
Loser alien races have all of future time to perfect time travel, yet never leave any real evidence until this event 60 million years ago

Astonishing

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News Item5/30/15 3:40 PM
scientific  Find all comments by scientific
"The fish, each about the size of an iPhone, were last swimming around roughly 60 million years ago, in the era immediately after a massive asteroid strike wiped out the dinosaurs."

The asteroid strike was apparently caused by Klingons in a battle with the Starship Enterprise.

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News Item5/30/15 3:19 PM
john mackay | Scotland  Contact via emailFind all comments by john mackay
Remember it wasn't just the flood but also the fall that brought profound change to all the created world animals etc
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News Item5/30/15 2:36 PM
Mourner  Find all comments by Mourner
@Chrisitan/Ohio (noted); You said "It's not an evolutionary idea or an element of historical science; it's an observable, repeatable fact."

Where are you going to get tons and tons of Dinosaurs again to repeat the process or are you referring to another way of repeatable the fact? Like what?

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News Item5/30/15 2:31 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
pennnelope wrote:
Christian, no hard feelings, thanks for the comment. now a flood causing a mass accumulation makes more sense to me.
imo- Even the flood doesnt account for the amount of hydrocarbons found to date within a 'young earth' scenerio. I liked your earlier response, bringing up the possibility of abiotic sources for hydrocarbons.

Wikipedia has a nice writeup on some of the potential sources, and flaws in the biotic theories

[URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin]]]Abiogenic petroleum origin [/URL]

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News Item5/30/15 1:32 PM
pennnelope  Find all comments by pennnelope
Christian, no hard feelings, thanks for the comment. now a flood causing a mass accumulation makes more sense to me.
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News Item5/30/15 1:18 PM
Christian | Ohio  Find all comments by Christian
@pennnelope: Oil *does* come from fossils. Ask any scientist -- creationist or evolutionist. The flood of Noah's day destroyed an enormous amount of creatures, including tons upon tons of dinosaurs; and as the bones and organic matter were compressed due to the movement of the earth during the flood and its aftermath, oil and coal formed. It's not an evolutionary idea or an element of historical science; it's an observable, repeatable fact.

No hard feelings, just wanted to clear that up and let you know that, as a creationist, you can believe that fossils made oil. It's the evolutionists who have a problem, because oil typically can't stay pressurized underground for more than 10,000 years, and yet they claim that much of it has been there for millions of years. Oil wells and fossil fuels are perfectly consistent with a biblical worldview -- not so much with a humanistic worldview.

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News Item5/30/15 12:20 PM
Mourner  Find all comments by Mourner
@sc appreciated your thought here reminding me of Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

The lovely symmetry of truth, 'without faith it is impossible to please God', yet as His image bearers we are such because unlike the rest of creation, man is a reasonable creature. Gen.1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

@ pennned I appreciated your "Makes oil a 'finite' resource" it reminded me of a sermon I heard 'The Christian and the Green Movement rather prophetic being preached in 2010 http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=426101537282

Good for faithful contending, even if only in one's own mind. My entrepreneur son; the youngest, jumped at the reasonableness, as well as economic potential for an economically challenged family by building off it. Wait now says Mom to youth:

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News Item5/30/15 10:57 AM
pennnelope  Find all comments by pennnelope
gotta love the comments on the article about "fossil fuels" -- they actually believe the oil in their cars comes from garbage dumps of piled up dead dinosaur bodies after milleniums and not that God just put oil deep in the earth. Makes oil a "finite" resource to run the earths economies and makes excuse for where all their dinosaur bones went (proof for a ludicrous theory).

I hope this Christian scientist enjoys his find. Its always fun to shake the evolutionists out of their God sterilized world, just look at how a cucumber plant grows up a vine, it finds its way and grabs the fence. Nothing about nature is accidental, fallen yes, but coincidental no!

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