Lawmaker: Fire police chief who released Duggar report
Bart Hester, a Republican state senator in Arkansas, called for the firing of the police chief who released the report about Josh Duggarâ€™s molestations.
Since the release of the 2006 report â€“ which came after In Touch magazine made a Freedom of Information Act request â€“ Duggar has admitted he sexually touched several girls, including his sisters, while he was a minor-age child.
Rom 8:31-34 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
PS. 74:18-23 Remember this, that the enemy hath reproached, O LORD, and that the foolish people have blasphemed thy name. O deliver not the soul of thy turtledove unto the multitude of the wicked: forget not the congregation of thy poor for ever. Have respect unto the covenant: for the dark places of the earth are full of the habitations of cruelty. O let not the oppressed return ashamed: let the poor and needy praise thy name. Arise, O God, plead thine own cause: remember how the foolish man reproacheth thee daily.
Nuance, I would certainly hope to see them restored and right with the Lord, but denial to the issues at hand is not the way they are going to get there. Rather its more guilt-based works-based religion. And they want all the Christians in America to participate by "feeling their pain". There's a better way to resolution, and it would be one that silences the pagans, and that is remorse. This would take time and the work of the Holy Spirit-- especially among their followers that made idols out of them. Are the Huckabites feeling any remorse for watching the lives of the smiley children, their personal lives? Not really, they are leaving themselves as spiritual victims to the spiritual battle at play with the sodomite agenda.
taking personal responsibility would take the wind out of their sails, but as we know what pride does. just because someone comes upon an open door does not mean that the Lord opened it.
1.cameras in home WAS AFTER incidents in the illegally released report. 2.Josh takes full responsibility for his actions at 14.
3. was it stupid AFTER this to allow cameras in &expose themselves to this type of rebuke? ... I think so-Yes
But Jef. 31:29-30 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge. Ex.33:15-16 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it. Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right; If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die. None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
Public scrutiny 14 yrs ago was from dad's politics.
jules, I read the Pearls stuff years ago and was horrified.
did you know that they were raising their children under gothards institute and since 30 or so women have come out with abuse charges and he had to step down as did the head of Vision Forum?
people have put samples of their sexual abuse therapy on the web, it speaks of babies in diapers being seductive to boys, I could go on and won't.
if you endorse these teachings it is your responsibility to know what they are.
very conservative Christian groups have separated from these abusers, as they should have.
there are many caught in this movement that I believe are captured in a works based religion, because I've heard it myself from people. they teach children to always have a smile, no matter what, that's what you see from the duggars. you should ask yourself why a family aligned with Christ would handle itself in a Hollywood surveillance society so well... because they have been taught to smile, smile, smile.
the father bears responsibility for bringing gothard in the home, therefore they follow the same path as gothard.
the father bears responsibility for bringing cameras in the home for money.
I agree with jules.... You cannot bag someone out because of what they've done when they were unregenerate.... No that doesn't mean we excuse sin but before we were saved apostle Paul says so were we sinners.. Plus we do need to be honest with sins in the church but don't expect that it is easy for anyone to talk and tell people that they've been abused when they have been. There's more of a spiritual battle there than you think. ..
No I did and do not watch the Duggars. I do not watch tv and I do not live in America. Some people I know with big families have read their books and felt really encouraged by them especially for their viewon children.
The People interview came one day after Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar of the TLC series announced they will discuss the scandal in a Fox News broadcast June 5 at 9 p.m. (Eastern Time). A portion of the interview will air on The Kelly File June 3 at 9 p.m.
"Next week we will sit down with Megyn Kelly on Fox News to share our hearts with you about the pain that we walked through as a family twelve years ago, the tears we all shed and the forgiveness that was given," the Duggars wrote on the family blog, www.duggarfamily.com. "We appreciate the outpouring of love and prayers for our family at this time"
Angela Wittman wrote: I think that at this point people are talking past each other and the topic has become muddied, so I'll be moving on... But I think y'all would do well to listen to Pennnelope more.
I believe it is easy to misunderstand and hard to understand when religious pluralism is encouraged and it is from every direction.
Sorry sarpenfew, I missed what you were hinting at. The link clarified.
" Back 12 years ago our family went through one of the most difficult times of our lives. When Josh was a young teenager, he made some very bad mistakes and we were shocked. We had tried to teach him right from wrong. That dark and difficult time caused us to seek God like never before. Even though we would never choose to go through something so terrible, each one of our family members drew closer to God. We pray that as people watch our lives they see that we are not a perfect family. We have challenges and struggles everyday. It is one of the reasons we treasure our faith so much because Godâ€™s kindness and goodness and forgiveness are extended to us â€” even though we are so undeserving. We hope somehow the story of our journey â€” the good times and the difficult times â€” cause you to see the kindness of God and learn that He can bring you through anything. " Parents on what happened:quote
On topic: the Duggars have acknowledged that this behavior was wrong. Tho his past behavior could not be undone, Josh turned his life around and moved forward as a changed person. Living a life of unrepentance and continuing to participate in sin is where the problem is.
No parent would ever want to make public this kind of pain for any of their children. You want to condemn these parents but have you considered that a major part of their concern was most likely placed in protecting the girls. They were already a public family. How would these girls have most definitely been impacted had they handled matters differently and it been made public then? Would you have rather that their pain been made public over 10 years ago when they were even more vulnerable than they are now.
The person who brought this to the mediaâ€¦and the hostile media itself are the ones who are responsible for re-victimizing these girlsâ€¦and all of these family members! Shame on you!
sarpenfew wrote: Michael Don't encourage people ...........
........... to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be save? Are you out of your everloving hyper-Calvinistic mind?
Seriously do you really want lost sinners to buy into an unrepentant unbelieving do nothing hyper-Calvinsim? Your not smarter than Scripture are you, which tells us things such as "You have not because you ask not."
Haven't you read "I'll show you my faith by my works"?
When you stand in front of the Lord Jesus Chrst will He see you as one who pridefully professed a whole heap of sophisticated religious stuff.
Or one who in brokenhearted conviction of your own sins (maybe you don't even know what that is _ unregenerate Calvinists wouldn't understand such a thing of the Spirit) in desperate faith cried out for mercy, humbly begging for what none of us deserves that Jesus would save you from your sins and give you eternal life?
BTW This isn't a religous game. I AM WARNING YOU NOW. Repent! Repent now before you reap the sour displeasure of God for acting like a stumbling block to people who would call upon the name of the Lord to be saved
Phil.3:7-16 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do,
forgetting those things which are behind,
and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
sarpenfew wrote: Oh Dear!! Here we go again. Why must all these self-saver nominals cut God out of the process until they begin it??? To these people Christ may be the author of our faith - BUT apparently they teach that the sinner writes his own auto-biography!!! Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
When I read that because I believe that God is sovereign in the salvation of sinners; I didn't think anything more then it was referring to man's responsibility which couldn't even begin without God's electing mercy, grace and resurrection power. I thought Run to Win was referring more to the salvaging of the misery that sin brings into all our lives, since the thread was taking issue with the bruised and broken as a result of a particular sin. The amazing work of God in the life of his elect restores that which has been done in consequence of the fall; even our sanctification which is "the work of Godâ€™s free grace, whereby we are renewed in the whole man after the image of God, and are enabled more and more to die unto sin, and live unto righteousness." WCFSC No Run to Win?
Didn't Jesus Himself COMMAND that people come to Him? How can it be anykind of DIY salvation when men, women, girls and boys
Oops! I am going to say it: "Obey the Gospel!"
Let me ask you a question: Do you really have a Biblical grasp, and experiential faith what it truly means in the best sense of the wods (because no one in our flesh can begin to do this perfectly) to Come to Jesus CONFESSING you are a sinner? In figure of speech it is truly an emotional wilful ripping out of one's hard heart of flithy love of sin (remember I am using figurative language) in broken hearted sorrowful repentance in having sinned so heinously against Jesus Christ that one longs to be forgiven and cleansed from their OWN sin and by the grace of God never to commit it again
Some talk a lot about the Sovereignty of God which is very real and wonderful BUT Imho (as I am learning and have so much learning and growing to do) it is another thing entirely to see the HOLINESS OF GOD, TO SEE THE CROSS _ THE HOLY SON OF GOD CRUCIFIED FOR YOU and be anything but CHANGED IN THE DEPTH OF ONES BEING
Please Father, fill us with Your word and Spirit and send us to preach to sinners the Truth of Jesus Christ to them
Run to Win wrote: All that is required is to come to Jesus confessing that you are a sinner and with faith that his death will avail for you. He will receive you and begin the process of salvaging your life for his glory.
Oh Dear!! Here we go again. Why must all these self-saver nominals cut God out of the process until they begin it???
To these people Christ may be the author of our faith - BUT apparently they teach that the sinner writes his own auto-biography!!!
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Angela Wittman wrote: My place: It seems to me that since I've become a Christian (20+ yrs ago), the good Lord has placed me in a position of reporting Christian news and views, so I guess I better get back to it!
My understanding is that place has reference to Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the 'bounds of their habitation'
The bounds of our habitation 'now' knows no limit because of the intranet, travel opportunites etc.. Station means whether God has made us rich or poor and civil callings are not usually for the poor or weaker women. The Scriptural reference to 'calling' I'm aware of is found in 1 Cor. 7. I remember hearing years ago that historically it was penned by Paul around or before a time of persecution. It is related to the married or single state. I do not believe it is speaking specifically to a vocation. Do you then infer that because you are an older Christian woman it is your God given duty? Can you support that from Scripture relative to your calling as I understand it?
It appears you are setting face to do what you believe God has placed you to do. Consider what I say as will I for our mutual good.
To Everyone: from a blog by family member Michael Seewald
Jesus said, â€śFor with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.â€ť Matthew 7:2. We are never to condone sin, and the sins of Joshâ€™s youth are reprehensible. Civil penalties are sometimes required and we should never begrudge the victims of crimes or the civil authorities from seeking justice, but we are not to condemn repentant sinners in our hearts or with our tongues or pens. Though consequences are sometimes necessary and desired to uphold civil society and to bring temporary justice, Jesus forgives repentant sinners, real sinners: murderers, thieves, child molesters, homosexuals, self righteous church goers, the proud, liars, scoffers, atheists, hypocrites, and any other sinner or combination of them all. All that is required is to come to Jesus confessing that you are a sinner and with faith that his death will avail for you. He will receive you and begin the process of salvaging your life for his glory. Believe these beautiful words of the Lord Jesus. â€śAll that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."...