United Methodists: Practicing Homosexuality Doesn't Contradict Christian Doctrine
The United Methodist Church leadership has voted to submit a proposal to the 2016 General Conference that would remove ‚Äúprohibitive‚ÄĚ language about homosexuality from the United Methodist Book of Discipline.
The proposal removes homosexuality and the performance of same-sex weddings from the church‚Äôs list of chargeable offenses. Under the proposal, United Methodist pastors would be able to perform same-sex marriages in churches.
The Connection Table group voted 26-10 with one abstaining to submit the proposal.
Bishop Bruce R. Ough, chairman of the Connectional Table, said the group had a "very thoughtful, respectful heartfelt discussion and earnest desire to discern God's will."...
@@@@ Just look at what the UK Methodists have been up to. Looks as though Wesley's little Roman Catholic Arminian adventure includes a great deal more than salvation by works. Perhaps the RCC theology was contaminated with the disease of paedophilia?
#Quote; "The UK's Methodist Church has made a public apology after an investigation uncovered reports of nearly 2,000 alleged abusers - including 914 allegations involving sexual abuse.
An independent inquiry looked at the Church's response to complaints and allegations dating back to 1950.
General secretary, the Revd Dr Martyn Atkins, said abuse was "a deep source of grief and shame to the Church".
A law firm representing some of the victims welcomed the apology." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32909444
Christopher000 wrote: It's all about learning, right?
Mind if I turn this a bit? It's all about right learning or true knowledge concerning the Glory of God. 2 Cor.4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
Our total dependance is first on the God of the means and secondly on the means. My observation of the conversation yesterday made me reflect on the fact that God, as God is the first cause. It is our infirmity to 1. depend upon secondary causes or 2. to think we understand what God is doing unless He chooses to reveals it to us by His word and Spirit.
I was reading Isaiah 28 Yesterday and meditated on v. 29 Isa 28:29 This also cometh forth from the LORD of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working. See Matthew Henry (e-sword)on this verse starting with the word Afflication... I think it's sound counsel.
....that wasn't directed at anyone in particular, by the way. Just wanted to mention it for future reference so that anyone can feel free to take me to task without my coming out swinging. It's all about learning, right?
Ok, thanks for the thoughts. Listen, I can't remember one time over the years when I ever preached from a soapbox at anyone, insisted, or inferred in any way, or at any time that I was right and everyone else was wrong, or argued a point out of arrogance; for the sake of wanting to be right. Maybe I need to analyze how I word things at times, but I am always looking for feedback.and corrections that go beyond personal opinion, although I like to hear other opinions as well My point is that I would like to have friendly discussions on whatever topics, no matter how strongly we might disagree. I'm a good listener, so friendly, fact filled, scripture referenced conversations go a long way with me.
Answers are in the Bible.There is no psychology in the Bible.There is no need for psychoanalysis. The only analysis necessary is to examine oneself to see if they be in the faith. We,of course,by the Holy Spirit are to care,encourage and support our fellow brethren who are downhearted;grieve with those who are grieving,and pray. The greatest Counselor is the Holy Spirit; "psycho logists" need not apply. And,not sure about the abortion issue,pennelope...no excuse for it. There is immunity within the human body for some junk food-pizza is actually beneficial.
ever think about how they come up with these syndrome names in psychology books, based on subjective ramblings of professionals, their definitions change every year? its humanism.
I'd go to a doctor to have my arm chopped off, but if there was a way to cure the infection, I'd do that first, even if I "sinned" by using natural means -- however, the doc may be offended you didn't use his services..
psychologists are bereft of the bible and of the fellowship of the saints.
and psyhchiatrists are trained on one thing medically and that is to medicate.
yet there's a whole world of knowledge out there about the toxic effects of the foods and heavy metals we take in, and how to cleanse the body and to take better care of ourselves.
the white coat system is a system of dependency. some have to go that route, I have nothing against them, but why force dependence on a people when they can get God honoring answers elsewhere?
the medical system likes to put bandaids on the illnesses they cause.
like the abortionist I talked with said, with agenda 21, they would be on gms, and constantly sick and on meds (from the gms), routed to cities to be dependent (as useless cattle basically)..are already there.
junk food medicine for junk food people. its quite antiquated.
...like I said, if we were all sick from a curable disease, but refused to seek treatment; choosing to rely on prayer and reading the bible, we would die. Juat like God has provided us with medical knowledge to take care of and heal ourselves, I believe that knowledge includes the brain as well. Lastly, I will listen to Study 10 because I certainly wouldn't want to be considered a "coward". ; )
Thanks for the feedback, most of it anyway, although, I was hoping for more. Hi Penny, I wasn't talking about someone with the winter blues or general boo-hoo syndrome, but rather major/clinical depression...a person who wakes up each morning with overwhelming, palpable feelings of hopelessness and despair. These are the types who if gone unchecked, unnoticed, ignored, or don't seek assistance in some form, often resort to self destruction, addiction for relief, or take other turns a healthg mind wouldn't' tconsider. All I‚Äôm saying is that some need help in addition to prayer and scripture. Like I said, some carry childhood trauma into adulthood, and some are predisposed to various mental disorders, etc, etc...it's the nature of the beast of sin. Now, I'm speaking about a particular group and not necessarily Carl but couldn't be sure so wanted him to consider it an option shoud his dark feeligs continue to worse to the point he's just no longer functioning. Maybe it's as simple as him putting his foot down, taking over the household and finding a healthy church...only he knows. Don't let this turn into an argument...I very kindly asked for everyones constructive thoughts on this. like I said, if we were all sick from a curable disease, but refused to seek treatment; cho
God gave us intricate and intelligent minds ,Luke a physician and a follower of the way, . I believe as long as your doctors advice doesn't contradict scripture then praise the lord, we all have talents if used in correct manner god bless.
Christopher000 wrote: pennnelope writes: where is therapy the answer in scripture? (paying money to a third party to be a friend?)
you might find with a dear brother having difficulties, that if his wife had some loving support from a church, that he had a good day job, dependable and got some sleep.... suddenly what you deam "psychological" problems would disappear. (up all night and no sleep will make one unstable) now he is to take his precious family in to some kid out of college and pay out with money he doesn't have and get busier, which means less sleep that night, to tell the kid with a notebook that he feels tired, when really he just needs a helping hand, a good meal and a good night's rest? and what might this kid suggest to him, but that he get a different job and get a good night's rest?
there's something to solving the causes instead of wallowing in the effects... whole point of the body of Christ... not insinuating anyone here is wallowing, but it tends to be a western characteristic these days.... learned helplessness. of course someone feels upset when things aren't right!
Christopher000 wrote: I'd appreciate any feedback to set me straight if there are differing opinions. I'm always open to constructive criticism on my thoughts.
"So, should Christians go to doctors? God created us as intelligent beings and gave us the ability to create medicines and learn how to repair our bodies. There is nothing wrong with applying this knowledge and ability towards physical healing. Doctors can be viewed as God‚Äôs gift to us, a means through which God brings healing and recovery. At the same time, our ultimate faith and trust is to be in God, not in doctors or medicine. As with all difficult decisions, we should seek God who promises to give us wisdom when we ask for it (James 1:5)." Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Christians-go-doctors.html#ixzz3bGzjqBQk
Christopher000 wrote: Carl, with the load you are up against, you might consider a good, qualified Christian therapist who can help you to sort things out and deal with them in ways you probably hadn't even considered. A Christian, a born again Christian therapist will approach situations from a biblical perspectice as well and that 3rd party may be just what you need. Just getting someone to listen intently and genuinly care with a Godly concern all by itself would lighten the mental load. I'm not a fan of meds, but often they are beneficial short term, and taken when needed, like to take the edge off anxiety, etc until one learns how to deal with the specific situations at hand.
Study 10: To destroy the works of the devil | Deane Meatheringham Are we adding fuel to the fires of sin and evil? Are we digging holes for ourselves? This message will cause you to consider your ways. Only a coward would walk away from this challenge of listening to this message _ Study 10: To destroy the works of the devil | Deane Meatheringham. It is listed above in the "Recent Commented Sermons."
pennnelope writes: where is therapy the answer in scripture? (paying money to a third party to be a friend?)
Where does is say we should get a broken leg mended or a bad tooth fixed? My point is that the healing knowledge we have today is God given. We are expected to take care of, maintain, and get ourselves healed using the medical knowledge he has provided us. If we were all dying at once of something that had a simple cure, and relyed solely on prayer, most, if not all of us would die because we didn't take advantage of what he was already providing. Those who do or have suffered from severe, life altering, debilitating depression will tell anyone that whille prayer and immersing oneself in the Word may help, they still suffer tremendously and are also in need of the expert knowledge which God has provided. Most don't know how to deal with tramatic childhood issues that effect adulthood, current life situations, or whatever and need to speak with qualified, Christian professionals who can dig deep and help them to sort things out. Sometimes medications are just necessary as well. We're all different, with different brain chemistrys that just don't function right without a little temporary, supervised help at time. I believe in the power of prayer, but also belie
s c wrote: Thank you,Jim Lincoln for the link. I will try to check it out. Hopefully,you are not the "Former-Lincoln-Bishop" hehe "plight thee my troth"...I looked it up-just an aside.
It's a rather sedate article, so you shouldn't find too much to get upset about, I think it was overly friendly to Yoga, you won't find the Sunday morning sermon from IHCC which will probably be around Friday(?) this week, will be a lot more hostile. I should have seen if my very first comment on this thread contained this, [URL=http://www.leaderu.com/ftissues/ft9806/articles/abraham.html]]]http://www.leaderu.com/ftissues/ft9806/articles/abraham.html (United Methodists at the End of the Mainline)[/URL]. It's an interesting article written by a Methodist one what's tearing up the UMC. There are few conservative Methodists left, but I would just ask them, why haven't you left yet In many ways the article [URL=http://www.reachingcatholics.org/comeout.html]]]Come out of the Catholic Church[/URL] and [URL=http://www.reachingcatholics.org/staying.html]]]Staying in Hope of Changing the Church[/URL] are directed to Romists, they have ideas that apply to Methodists and Anglicans too.
Carl. You have gotten sound advice (and I also agree with SteveR) Also remember this... we can read the bible cover to cover several times and never know the Lord. It must be in tandem with a seeking of his face in deep prayer. In doing so, you won't go through the word of God, the word of God will go through you brother.
Carl,I just listened to Charles Stanley on the radio and thought about you. You can listen to a message called the valley experiences on intouch.org Just press "listen" and it should pull it up. John MacArthur is also presently addressing trials in a Christian's life as well. Watch after that family of yours;it's honorable that you do so. Many men do not. God bless and keep you close!