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FRONT PAGE  |  4/6/2020
SATURDAY, MAY 23, 2015  |  25 comments
Homeschooling Up 62 Percent Over a Decade
Homeschooling is on the rise. According to the U.S. Department of Education’s recently released Digest of Education Statistics, between 2003 and 2012, the number of homeschooled children in the United States is estimated to have grown by nearly 62 percent. Moreover, despite stereotypes to the contrary, most homeschooling families are headed by well-educated parents earning middle-class incomes.

On the basis of telephone and mail surveys, the Education Department estimates that in 2003 there were 1,096,000 homeschooled students in the nation. By 2012, that number had increased to 1,773,000, for a 61.8-percent rate of growth. As a percentage of all students in the country, homeschoolers jumped from 2.2 percent in 2003 to 3.4 percent in 2012. ...


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News Item5/26/15 10:58 AM
pennnleope  Find all comments by pennnleope
social security is not secure.

neither are 401's.

wall street is divorced from main street.

this is how our workers can struggle just to eat while our retirees can feel things are ok.

course, scripture shows that the inheritance is the land and especially children.

what happens when forget this and believe the rich who manage our money will give it back to us as they steal trillions and collapse the currency?

the tree will bear the fruit of that tree.

there are no $$$$ answers for the depression we are in. it is a spiritual battle created by our own apathy.

the new treaty has been signed in secret, we are moving into one world gov's... this is why they let the borders flood in.

the hope is that the evangelical community will reconcile itself once wall street wiped out investments with bail ins (they already dumped the housing market at received 20 trillion in bail outs).... until then, the establishment churches with their establishment money will judge the young families that are between a rock and a hard place...

investments? how do young invest when milk has doubled over the year and health insurance has tripled and their health issues are increasing and dad has been out of work twice?

sooner or later reality will hit home.

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News Item5/25/15 9:21 PM
NB | kansas  Contact via emailFind all comments by NB
UPS - thanks for your comments... You stated my thoughts more clearly than I did (I just didn't read your posts until after I commented)!
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News Item5/25/15 9:16 PM
NB | kansas  Contact via emailFind all comments by NB
God has not given us a spirit of fear... And I'm certainly not fearing that I won't get to retire and play golf all day because I lost significant years of paying into the system....
BYW: Voddie baucham has great teaching about college and most degrees not being worth the paper they're printed on....
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News Item5/25/15 9:15 PM
NB | kansas  Contact via emailFind all comments by NB
Barney, your comments are not founded upon solid research (I.e. - working class are supporting homeschooling families...) I know of ZERO homeschooling families who rely on the govt. to give them a social security check in order to afford homeschooling. Especially in the case of Christian homeschoolers whose goal is to train their children to fear the Lord in the Deut. 6 and Eph. 6 mandate, we have husbands who work hard to provide at an outside job and/or family economy and we actually DOUBLE PAY on our children as not only do we purchase the curriculum, we pay state taxes to support our local schools which our children do not attend. A more likely scenario is that the working class (including HS families) are paying taxes to support the welfare system which enables a significant populous to not work... Giving them a hand out and not a hand up. As for single parents homeschooling... Yes it can be done and it is done... Is it easy? No... But neither is the Christian walk! Your views sound very socialistic... Kind of like the news article that recommended not reading bedtime stories to your kids because it gives them an unfair advantage.... Life isn't fair... On many levels. Which is why my trust is put in the Word of God and not the governments of men. God has not given us a spiri
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News Item5/25/15 8:58 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Barney fife. The government is collecting record revenue. They don't have a revenue problem they have a spending problem. You have stated twice now that those making lower income, thus paying less taxes, are being supported by those who pay more. That would only be true if the government is giving them money that others earn. (legal plunder) I would venture to say most families where mom stays home to rear their children and make due with dad's salary, do not take government assitance. Under the current tax code, the bottom 50% or so wage earners only pay 3% of taxes. If you want to level that playing field, so to speak, then there must needs be a change in the tax code, not a putting to work of mothers who are homeschooling.

Social security is not secure. Even the CBO acknowledges that. Our lawmakers keep kicking the can down the road hoping the problem will go away. It won't.

If you are trying to point out that EIC is a bad idea or that the government making not working more profitable in some cases than going out and earning a living is wrong, we are in agreement. If you are saying families need to not homeschool so that mom can be out adding to the government coffiers, you would part company with most of the posters here on SA.

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News Item5/25/15 7:15 PM
pennnelope  Find all comments by pennnelope
social security and 401ks are passe -- its temporary. things of lasting value now is land and family, if that can be preserved.

Greece did their bail-ins and they are rewriting laws as we speak to make money in banks credit in the bank as an investment which can be used to pay off debt when the bank collapses.

cash is becoming more and more controlled (see Ken Hovind, a criminal for withdrawing cash to legally pay employees) --

the types that go on the radio make false promises... see duggars advice for good stewardship as they make their millions off of their children being videotaped falling through stage floors. you see, if you do things like them you will be prosperous.

yet reality for working class families is little work, part time, multiple jobs, working nights, switching jobs, retraining for free, changing companies.

the idea that this in reality translates to investments for most is ludicrous. any look at numbers show a nation in debt with rising prices.

radio programs that sell same old line same sort that sell 501c3. its great for the old world big money, we are in a new time... start listening to leaders who carry the real burdens of our people, sooner we can minister to each other in our strengths and needs instead of selling false prosp

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News Item5/25/15 5:04 PM
Barney Fife | Mayberry, NC  Find all comments by Barney Fife
To clarify the points I was making earlier, since it seems not everyone understood.
1. Social Security is a Fact of Life--very hard to excuse yourself, set up your private account. I think ministers can declare themselves 'off the system' by making it a religious issue.
2. The US Govt is keeping track of every dollar you make for that 35-Year History. Every dollar you do not 'declare' (like waiters who don't report all their tips) will not count in that 35 yr history. Every year a mother is out of the workforce is counted as a big 0, which lowers the 35 yr average.
3. Families in US who make below a certain income level, say $45k for a family of 4, do not pay Federal Income Tax, and in fact receive Federal Monies back--Earned Income Credit.
Dave Ramsey's Radio Hour on Taxes was referring to Federal Income Tax, not State, Local, Property, Estate, Inheritance, Sales taxes. He emphasized how large a percentage of the US population was not paying any Federal Income Tax.
Therefore, a homeschooling family who makes less money is not paying Federal Taxes--and so who does pay for the Federal Budget? It must be those who make more money, singles, etc. In effect, they are supporting the homeschooling families.
The issue of College Education is another one that needs to be dealt with.
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News Item5/24/15 6:15 PM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
Too all of my loyal fans...
Lol
Anyway, I was just throwing out that reminder, since not everyone always reads the entire name for a post. There is another gentlemen with a similar moniker that I do NOT want to get confused with.
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News Item5/24/15 5:34 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Barney Fife

not sure why you seem to be espousing social security, Congress has spent the money in the so called trust fund and the CBO says it will be broke (not sure how a bunch of IOU's is solvent) in 2032. People would do MUCH better given an opportunity to invest their own money. If you are counting the cost, you are not making social security the basis for your retirement.

not sure how homeschoolers deplete the tax base. My son went to a Christian school all his days and we still were required to pay the property and sales taxes that funded his public school education.

You honestly don't make sense, by your logic, if we don't make CEO salaries then other taxpayers are supporting us. You don't seem to think they are any benefits from homeschooling. You should let the brothers and sisters who have done so testify.

The Bible says learn not the way of the heathen and blessed is the man that walks not in the counsel of the ungodly.

If Dave Ramsey says it is bad for moms to stay and home instead of being out in the workforce, he is just plain wrong in that area.

If I am misstating what you are saying, my apologies. God bless.

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News Item5/24/15 4:57 PM
Barney Fife | Mayberry, NC  Find all comments by Barney Fife
For single mothers--who make up more and more families--homeschooling is simply not a choice, unless the Church decides it will support them while they do it, or pay for their kids to be in private school (and perhaps many churches are doing this, or many Christian private schools pay for their workers' kids to attend).
I mentioned the Social Security 35 Year Average to remind people to 'count the cost' as the Good Book says.
Christian financial radio host Dave Ramsey was commenting about taxes recently, taking his info from a recent Wall St Journal article on it. One fact was that many people in the US do not pay any tax, and he has fielded at least one call from a guy who was getting money back (Earned Income Credit) from the feds.
Thus, you could say that since homeschooling reduces the taxable income of the family, the rest of the taxpayers are supporting them.
Another issue is College Student Debt---did the mother go to college and have big debt as a result--like over $100K? Dave has had many callers in that situation where the wife decides to be a 'stay-at-home' mom instead of working; not a good idea in his book.
In addition, you could say that 'a mind is a terrible thing to waste'--what happened to all that college education?
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News Item5/24/15 4:01 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I'll get it right eventually, Stevenr. Most homeschoolers go out of their way to make sure their children get some educational and social experiences outside of the family.

It's a good thing that children are resilient.

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News Item5/24/15 2:39 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Stevenr wrote:
I have an "N"
Would you like to buy a vowel?
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News Item5/24/15 1:56 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I'm so glad that homeschooling is on the rise, but hope the parents are intelligent enough to do it right, follow through, and not keep the children from the socializing they need. I wonder what political maneuver will hit these homes now that the numbers are rising.

Ok, I pretty much said all of that to also say this: N less, I got a pretty good laugh from that. Now Steve"n"...quit bragging about your non consonant/vowel. The rest of us were born this way.

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News Item5/24/15 1:38 PM
n less  Find all comments by n less
Stevenr wrote:
I have an "N"
Don't spread it around else everyone will want one.
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News Item5/24/15 1:29 PM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
I have an "N"
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News Item5/24/15 1:22 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Moderator Alpha wrote:
Please refrain from posting links that are unrelated to the thread topic. John Yurich has had posts removed because he allowed himself to be baited off topic by your irrelevant links. You need to do your part to keep this from happening. Your cooperation is anticipated.
Hmm, usually, when a response has been given, there is an indication that it has been removed. I have never seen any response by John to McCarthy video or the sermon by Mike Gendron. I would certainly not repeated them as much as I have if he had. I do hope you allow new people to SA, to practice on such people as John, who thinks that God has to accept they way they worship God, instead of following what God demands. But I will realize that with harden cases can be like casting pearls before swine, so I'll be a little more discerning about that.

Homeschooling isn't a magic formula, I would say that much, and I'm glad that Stever had success with setting a good example Children model themselves after their parents, and a bad example of this was J. S. Mill, q.v., [URL=https://norighttobelieve.wordpress.com/2011/01/12/the-education-of-john-stuart-mill/]]]The education of John Stuart Mill[/URL] who became twice the son of hell that his parents were

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News Item5/24/15 3:00 AM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
NB... Excellent idea. Downsizing lifestyle; instead of buying things we don't need, with money we don't have, to impress people we don't like... My wife has stayed home and homeschooled all of our children; could we have had nicer things if she worked? Sure. But I'd rather have nicer kids.
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News Item5/23/15 11:59 PM
Moderator Alpha  Protected NameFind all comments by Moderator Alpha
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Ah, John Y., you never seem to learn, [URL=https://www.jashow.org/wiki/index.php?title=Is_A_Catholic_Christian_An_Oxymoron%3F]]]Is A Catholic Christian An Oxymoron?[/URL] and [URL=https://es.jashow.org/wiki/index.php/Is_the_One_True_Church_Roman_Catholicism%3F]]]Is the One True Church Roman Catholic?[/URL]. You just never remember the answer to first question is "Yes!" and to the second question, "No!"
Please refrain from posting links that are unrelated to the thread topic. John Yurich has had posts removed because he allowed himself to be baited off topic by your irrelevant links. You need to do your part to keep this from happening. Your cooperation is anticipated.
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News Item5/23/15 9:06 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
NB - Amen to your comment sister. Yes, our DAILY bread, that encompasses ALL we need each day as it comes. Yet, most thrust that prayer aside in favor of self-reliance, which is sinful. Utter dependency on Him is crucial, may we be as little children.
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News Item5/23/15 8:36 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
NB wrote:
What is the cost of your child's soul and shouldn't we do everything we can to apply the effectual means of grace the Lord has given us to point them in the direction of the cross? Certainly it requires much more self sacrifice than 2 hours on Sunday. It may even require downsizing your lifestyle, turning away from the "nanny state" who will provide for you from womb to tomb, and putting your faith in the Lord to provide our DAILY bread. Don't we pray that in the Lord's Prayer? Too many people have a form of Godliness but deny its power. So I ask again, what is the worth of our children's souls.
What an outstanding comment sister and I know you practice what you preach.
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